How to solve F1's problems

How to solve F1's problems

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Ordinary Bloke

4,559 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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Yeah, that would be good.

There a problem which I can't see an answer to, though. If F1 wants to be the pinnacle of motorsport, they need to be fastest, right? But fastest means you can't really afford to have loss of traction. None of us want to see injury and deaths in F1, but I would suggest it's boring because it's so fast that it has to be safe. Not sure what the answer to that is.

Conian

8,030 posts

202 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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Much less wing allowed. Simple Flat boards, no flex.

Manual gear boxes, clutches. Make the driver do some more work.
Skinnier tires yes, but slicks again, how can you have F1 without slicks?
Its wrawng Kyle... WRAWNG!

Slikk

2,135 posts

244 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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Why not pay the drivers 20k per year and give them a winning bonus of a million per race?

old arguement i know, but hey.. .. ..

AAV

89 posts

202 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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Ordinary Bloke said:
AAV said:
Your No Ordinary Bloke.
I'm waiting for the next part of your message???
No trap door, just seems like common sense to me.

It's supposed to be sports entertainment, If you went a supermarket two years ago and asked who came second in that years F1 championship ? you would get "don't Know" today everyone knows, because of LH, he's raised the profile of F1 He's actually sliding the rear of the car around corners, that entertaining he's defying the tecnology.

You can create that level of interest by lowering the level of technology, and bring back some sense of galdiatorial competion, and not who's got the most money for R&D, the best solicitor or who's warming their hands between MM butt cheeks

So if we are all honest was it more entaining watching the battle for 4th,5th & 6th last Sunday or watching Kimi.


Ordinary Bloke

4,559 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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AAV said:
Ordinary Bloke said:
AAV said:
Your No Ordinary Bloke.
I'm waiting for the next part of your message???
No trap door, just seems like common sense to me.

It's supposed to be sports entertainment, If you went a supermarket two years ago and asked who came second in that years F1 championship ? you would get "don't Know" today everyone knows, because of LH, he's raised the profile of F1 He's actually sliding the rear of the car around corners, that entertaining he's defying the tecnology.

You can create that level of interest by lowering the level of technology, and bring back some sense of galdiatorial competion, and not who's got the most money for R&D, the best solicitor or who's warming their hands between MM butt cheeks

So if we are all honest was it more entaining watching the battle for 4th,5th & 6th last Sunday or watching Kimi.
Excuse me for being slow, but are you saying an ordinary bloke is happy with f1 the way it is? That may be true, enough people in my office talk about it.

Despite having given up a reasonably good career to go work for Leyton House March F1 twenty years ago, I haven't watched an F1 race for five or ten years now.

I'm all for lowering the level of technology, but that doesn't fit with how F1 advertises itself. That's the bit I can't find an answer to. But the people in charge don't need to, with TV rights, merchandising, and oil-rich countries lining their pockets. So I imagine it'll just go on as it is now.

Sadly, MotoGP is going the same way, more money, more electronics. But they still fall off, which proves they're really racing, I think.

Maybe there's a correlation between width of car, width of track, maximum acceleration & deceleration, max speed, cornering G, and viewer enjoyment? Any mathematicians out there want to try. We could call it "OB's Law".

waynepixel

3,972 posts

225 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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Watch A1 GP.

Conian

8,030 posts

202 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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waynepixel said:
Watch A1 GP.
Thing is... i really want to, i love the idea... but for some reason, i just never do, i can't be bothered. It's good, but somehow isn't appealing to me.
Yet I watch F1 nearly all the races, though usually just the start and then flick back to it, only watched 1 whole complete race all season.

I'd love to see more of the Grand Prix Masters though! yeah baby!

Ordinary Bloke

4,559 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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Conian said:
...though usually just the start and then flick back to it, only watched 1 whole complete race all season.
You're getting there, just got to learn not to flick back to it, then gently wean yourself off the watching the first half-lap, and you're FREEEEEEE!

AAV

89 posts

202 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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Conian said:
waynepixel said:
Watch A1 GP.
I'd love to see more of the Grand Prix Masters though! yeah baby!
What's that then

OzzyR1

5,738 posts

233 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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What about bringing in the "boost" buttons that they have in A1, maybe 3 shots per race (admittedly don't have Sky so have never seen an A1 race and therefore don't know how effectual they are paperbag)

Could make it a little more interesting perhaps if they gave a 100hp advantage although you'd no doubt see the drivers taking it in turns to use them down the straights and the finishing orders would be restored to the usual status quo.

Hmmm, would be a lot easier if I was God as it would then rain for half the season - thats now the only time I look forward to an F1 race as it adds that element of unpredictability!!

Something has to be done though... that development freeze, what are they trying to do, kill the sport dead in the water?!?


ETA: Bring back turbos, no TC, wet race biggrin

Edited by OzzyR1 on Thursday 25th October 19:08

Ordinary Bloke

4,559 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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Or add weapons, like in the PS game Wipeout?

OzzyR1

5,738 posts

233 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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Ordinary Bloke said:
Or add weapons, like in the PS game Wipeout?
Of course!!! Why don't those in charge think of these things. One heatseeker and you could take the choice to fire when there's only one car in front of you and get rid of him or fire at the first corner and take pot luck!! smile

Conian

8,030 posts

202 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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AAV said:
Conian said:
waynepixel said:
Watch A1 GP.
I'd love to see more of the Grand Prix Masters though! yeah baby!
What's that then
Identical cars, then wedge in all the old stars, Mansell, Lauda etc and shove them round a track! They did 1 race and are looking to get more going, maybe a series.

As i recall, the cars were all 500bhp, and no much in the drivers aid department.
Just lots of experienced old grandpas racing glorified go-karts.

Now that was racing!

OK Ive just Wiki'd it...... 3 races so far...... feck i missed 2 of them
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Prix_Masters

Edited to say....... Just read Wiki some more......... its Fitipaldi not Lauda, and they have 650bhp, check the link!

Edited by Conian on Thursday 25th October 21:13

Ordinary Bloke

4,559 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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Alzheimers GP, what a great idea.

What idea?

Huh?

etc

motormania

1,143 posts

254 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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The Grand Prix Masters has folded, so no chance of ever seeing the old greats behind the wheels again.

Me thinks that Bernie and Max didn't like the old pros showing us what real racing is about, wheel to wheel battles and big old cars on slicks. The three races I saw were fantastic and ran rings around current F1 races. The F1 Mafia soon put a stop to the Masters series, just as they have now with A1GP by forcing them to use Ferrari for the next 6 years!!

Good old FIA have a way of screwing everything up.

Just when the WRC was making in roads and building up a head of steam, they went and FECKED with the rules and that was that!

Shame we can't have an airplane fall out of the sky when Max, Bernie and the rest of the FIA crew are on-board...

Ordinary Bloke

4,559 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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Sadly, I think AAV is right (assuming I understood correctly).

Ordinary people who watch F1 don't know or care about driving skill. They just follow the media like sheep, pay their £150 or whatever to go to Silverstone (yuk!) and assume they're watching something interesting.

Frik

13,542 posts

244 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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Ordinary Bloke said:
Ordinary people who watch F1 don't know or care about driving skill. They just follow the media like sheep, pay their £150 or whatever to go to Silverstone (yuk!) and assume they're watching something interesting.
A lovely opinion you have of racing fans there OB.

Ordinary Bloke

4,559 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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I don't mean to offend anyone (ok, maybe I don't mind a little) but I think you're being cheated. F1 used to be a race. Now it's a circus.

Frik

13,542 posts

244 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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I think that this season, the racing has been vastly more interesting than people whinging about how boring it is.

Ordinary Bloke

4,559 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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Thanks Fruk!

I see you drive your mum's car, that makes you very well qualified to comment on F1. Isn't it way past your bedtime now?