Why is the series been names the Tuscan and Sag Challenge

[jellison]

teamHOLDENracing said:

1) Because TVR will not permit use of the TVR name

2) Because the correct spelling is 'Challenge'

But TVR does not exist! - You mean whoever still owns the name.

Seem NUTz

[TVRleigh_BBWR]

1) Because TVR will not permit use of the TVR name
Seem's a bit daft as TVR's are being raced, plus I would have thought It's very good PR.

2) Because the correct spelling is 'Challenge'
Sorry about that

Was the Tuscan Challenge ever call the TVR Tuscan Challenge or just the Tuscan Challenge.

[teamHOLDENracing]

It was always the TVR Tuscan Challenge whilst factory supported, apart from the final year, 2004, when it was the TVR Challenge.

You can understand why the owner of the trademark 'TVR' might want to protect the name. If (big if I grant you) TVR ever gets going again and wants to run its own race series again, it may well want to call it the TVR Challenge.

Doesn't seem to worry Ford, or Porsche etc... but I suppose the only thing of any value in TVR is the name and therefore you'd probably want to protect it

[jellison]

teamHOLDENracing said:

It was always the TVR Tuscan Challenge whilst factory supported, apart from the final year, 2004, when it was the TVR Challenge.

You can understand why the owner of the trademark 'TVR' might want to protect the name. If (big if I grant you) TVR ever gets going again and wants to run its own race series again, it may well want to call it the TVR Challenge.

Doesn't seem to worry Ford, or Porsche etc... but I suppose the only thing of any value in TVR is the name and therefore you'd probably want to protect it

True - Just seems like utter Bollox - where does the guy live - someone should pay him a visit

[Graham]

The septics who possibly or possibly not own the rights to produce something somewhere were talking about a race series, and had no idea that we existed...


TVR as a company do exist, they just dont make anything currently, all they do seem to do is chase trademark infringements... THE TVRCC went through a 2 year process to get rights to use their logos.

There is some validity in calling it the TVRCC Challenge as that is one of the two series that were joined together,and upto now thats where the majority of the current drivers came from. There is also some tvrcc input in sponsorship and promotion...

But I don't think any of the organisers are that precious about it and if JR wants to call it T&S challenge thats fine, I doubt he gave it more than 5 seconds thought as it is only the name.. its the grid size and the action thats important, one thing everyone has been working hard towards and so far looks like its going to be successful.


Cheers G

[Chimtastic]

ceejay said:

At the end of the day the championship has already been named the Tuscan and Sagaris Challenge. 2008 should be a great season and I look forward to competing against the Tuscans, Cerbs, Chims, Griffs, Tasmins, Ms, GTFs, Tamora and V8S.

Ceejay

You should all call it the "Someone thought of an inapropriate name Challenge" then!!!

I bet Neil 'Jack' Russel will have something to say about that wont he!

[jellison]

Tuscan and Sagaris Challenge - is Just Daft when no Real Sags will be out just Tuscans made to look like Sag.

DAFT.

[shortshift]

The most important thing with this serieis is not the name, it's the number of cars on the grid and spectacular racing that will determine its success. All the people involved in the series, organisers and racers, have done a fantastic job to keep it going and the Sags are helping to future proof the series. There's no point bitching and wining over whether the Sags are 'true' Sags or not. The fact is they're out there creating a spectacle. All power to them!

Edited by shortshift on Sunday 4th November 20:23

[Mickey Holden]

Shortshift is right, what ever the race series is called next year, the point is to get it in the public's faces, because ultimately (in my eye's) that is the future of the TVR race series. The cars and the teams have the potential, its making it happen.
Mickey.

[jellison]

The name will have to be changed again at some point though.

[Guillotine]

you could come racing anyway Jelly...surely (and sadly) any TVR racing is now historic???



agree on the name
agree it doesn't matter to us
also agree it SHOULD make sense to Joe Public

maybe it shows where John's mind is focussed in the Future??? I've said it once and I'll say it again.....

andy

[jellison]

Guillotine said:

you could come racing anyway Jelly...surely (and sadly) any TVR racing is now historic???



agree on the name
agree it doesn't matter to us
also agree it SHOULD make sense to Joe Public

maybe it shows where John's mind is focussed in the Future??? I've said it once and I'll say it again.....

andy

Maybe - long way off. (Did you get my mail Andy). If I did race mine it would be a fia spec bar the Yoko's but no slicks so likely be playing at the front of B (more power but less grip).

[heightswitch]

jellison said:

Guillotine said:

you could come racing anyway Jelly...surely (and sadly) any TVR racing is now historic???



agree on the name
agree it doesn't matter to us
also agree it SHOULD make sense to Joe Public

maybe it shows where John's mind is focussed in the Future??? I've said it once and I'll say it again.....

andy

Maybe - long way off. (Did you get my mail Andy). If I did race mine it would be a fia spec bar the Yoko's but no slicks so likely be playing at the front of B (more power but less grip).

Get your finger out Jon. No excuses.

PS Your Bats wing is finished. Just making the front support bush. I had to find some proper CDS thick wall tube. Will machine out for bush size as per your pattern sometime this week.

Neil.

[jellison]

heightswitch said:

jellison said:

Guillotine said:

you could come racing anyway Jelly...surely (and sadly) any TVR racing is now historic???



agree on the name
agree it doesn't matter to us
also agree it SHOULD make sense to Joe Public

maybe it shows where John's mind is focussed in the Future??? I've said it once and I'll say it again.....

andy

Maybe - long way off. (Did you get my mail Andy). If I did race mine it would be a fia spec bar the Yoko's but no slicks so likely be playing at the front of B (more power but less grip).

Get your finger out Jon. No excuses.

PS Your Bats wing is finished. Just making the front support bush. I had to find some proper CDS thick wall tube. Will machine out for bush size as per your pattern sometime this week.

Neil.

Cool, look forward to them (sending back with the Cambridge originals). I am working on it - writing Platiman a mail re all fiber mods required as we speak - but need space - chim has to go so that I can have one of Tr racers at mine (Surrey - so we have space to do it in Swindon). Space and cash.

10 race next year for the TRs in Thoroughbreds. You should pop along to one of the northern ones. Cadwell / Oulton.

[Jetblackonetenth]

I do agree that the name does not reflect the current range of cars in the championship and unless you are going to call it the TVR Challenge I can not see the point in changing it from Tuscan Challenge. I do wish however that people would stop knocking the 'Sagaris' race cars because they are not original cars, how many of the other cars in the championship are as they came out of the factory. Even before the Sagaris were built cars had started spinging aditional wings and front splitters and then there was and still is the lovely Thorpedo. To build cars to race means modifying them and as with any make of race cars they will only look like the road car and not be identical to it. Just take a look at any GT or Touring car or even the Ford Fiesta Challenge I was involved in before TVR's

[Daftlad]

Jetblackonetenth said:

I do agree that the name does not reflect the current range of cars in the championship and unless you are going to call it the TVR Challenge I can not see the point in changing it from Tuscan Challenge. I do wish however that people would stop knocking the 'Sagaris' race cars because they are not original cars, how many of the other cars in the championship are as they came out of the factory. Even before the Sagaris were built cars had started spinging aditional wings and front splitters and then there was and still is the lovely Thorpedo. To build cars to race means modifying them and as with any make of race cars they will only look like the road car and not be identical to it. Just take a look at any GT or Touring car or even the Ford Fiesta Challenge I was involved in before TVR's

Not sure anyone is really knocking the cars - note the series name.

Not sure I agree with your line of arguement though...there are no modified Sags in the series as I understand. However, the cars that look remotely similar to Sags will attract intrest partly for that reason..they look like Sags.

[teamHOLDENracing]

The reason they look similar is there are cars with real, genuine, TVR Sagaris body shells in the series.

I don't really get it - the Sagaris, T350, Tuscan and Tamora all share the same chassis. The things that make the Sagaris different are its body shell, longer wishbones at the back to give a wider track and dampers. The most significant different element is the body shell, just as it was with the Griff and Chimaera.

I just think it is good that the shell that was designed with racing in mind is actually out there racing.

[Graham]

Looks like a TVR, Sounds Like a TVR, Goes Like a TVR, Gets Driven like a TVR...



It is a TVR....

[RetroWheels]

Given that "TVR" cant be used in the race series title, "Tuscan and Sagaris" is an excellent alternative.

Tuscan - because it's reminds us all , of the original,iconic Tuscan Challenge

Sagaris - because it conjours up images of the last great TVR ,probably the most effective and striking sports car ever to leave Bristol Ave.

All other TVR road/race cars share the same DNA - and are just as valid in the race series - it's just that the title would be a touch too long if Reidy namechecked every model

To be honest , when the flag drops, it might as well be called the Iggle Piggle and Upsy Daisy Challenge for all i care - im too busy trying not to lose it all at the first bend .


As an aside , the Aston Martin owners club Super GT race we did in September, actually included no Aston Martins.
The AMOC did'nt seem bothered , just happy to get cars on the grid.


With regard to the Racing Sagaris.

Some have factory produced bodies , some have/will have GTF bodies.

To the car enthusiasts i've spoke to (at races,track days, car shows, online etc)they look like stunning racing versions of Sagaris road cars.

At work , i have photo's of Tim and Fred's cars on the wall - from young lads to OAP's , if they're Petrol Heads, the response is Wow ! a TVR Racing Car !etc etc.

This can only be a good thing for TVR Motorsport - such as it is these days.

Currently , to my knowledge there are a handfull of Sagaris bodied cars racing in various series... Tim's car, Steve's, Fred's, Andys, Top Cats, Dennis Leech/Racesports car.

Six Cars... Six cars ,which have done more to keep the TVR name alive - and in the hearts of Petrol Heads everywhere - than the current "TVR" motor company have managed to do in the last 24 months of upheavel.

There are more cars on the way - and i can't wait to see them on track .

Ok , none of the current Sagaris racers (or GTF's in our neck of the woods )
run a Speed Six , or are modified road Sagari'.
I dont see this as a problem , just an oppurtunity for you Speed Six guys to bring more great cars to the series .

'08 should see the Chevrolet LS (500+BHP) engined cars - not built at Blackpool , not running AJP engines - still TVR's ?
Well, no .. But until TVR actually build another car , these are the cars that will still be pounding the circuits of UK/Europe and showing the Porches the way home ..

I type as a ,died in the wool , old school, originality fiend - who appreciates Provinence,History and Patina in a race car.
But.. I also get very excited when i see a Gorgeous, brand new , big hp Tivver race car taking shape ..

One final thought.
Im sure the afficionadoes will remember this....

The Cosworth Turbo engined , Formula 1 parts containing , 500bhp race car which TVR happened to call an S Series.

I put it to you Mlord , that TVR have been doing this sort of thing for years and that the Sagaris race cars in question are entirley within the Spirit of TVR.

The Defence Rests.... and goes for his supper .

[Jetblackonetenth]

Daftlad said:

Jetblackonetenth said:

I do agree that the name does not reflect the current range of cars in the championship and unless you are going to call it the TVR Challenge I can not see the point in changing it from Tuscan Challenge. I do wish however that people would stop knocking the 'Sagaris' race cars because they are not original cars, how many of the other cars in the championship are as they came out of the factory. Even before the Sagaris were built cars had started spinging aditional wings and front splitters and then there was and still is the lovely Thorpedo. To build cars to race means modifying them and as with any make of race cars they will only look like the road car and not be identical to it. Just take a look at any GT or Touring car or even the Ford Fiesta Challenge I was involved in before TVR's

Not sure anyone is really knocking the cars - note the series name.

Not sure I agree with your line of arguement though...there are no modified Sags in the series as I understand. However, the cars that look remotely similar to Sags will attract intrest partly for that reason..they look like Sags.

How real do you want the Sagaris cars? As Andy says they are TVR Sagaris body shells. Towards the end of the factory backed Tuscan Challenge the factory were putting together a proposal to update the Tuscan Racer by putting a Sag body on it. This is what we have done and as I have said before on another thread if the factory had done this maybe we would still have 45 cars racing and TVR would be a thriving car company.(seems we are going over the same things again??????) What is your problem with the Sags? They are called Sag V8's so any one who knows about TVR's will understand they are not exactly as the road cars. But who cares? they are attracting a lot of attention to the TVR series whatever they call it and also are putting in a good show in the Dutch Supercars and The Race Sport Sag looked good at the Brit car 24hr no one complained that it was not an original Sag.(it has a tuscan racer chassis an LS7 engine and a transaxle to start with. I think the lights were off a Sag. The original Tuscan Racer had a Rover V8 engine should we go back to this or should we move forward. Evolve or die (I think TVR chose the latter) Lets be carefull that the race series does not die whatever they call it.