Fia homologated rainlight
Discussion
is this an msa decision or an FIA decision?
if its the msa at it, does any one know a good reason why?
I mean facts please not a wishy washy, well they know best !!
coz from what I am reading on other forums this is just a waste and arguably a poor decision , due to scrutes and some marshalls saying that old fog lights were better as they could be seen clearer from different angles, and the LED type are less good unless directly behind it. as well as the question, is there a significant gain to anyone for this or is it just a racket?
if its the msa at it, does any one know a good reason why?
I mean facts please not a wishy washy, well they know best !!
coz from what I am reading on other forums this is just a waste and arguably a poor decision , due to scrutes and some marshalls saying that old fog lights were better as they could be seen clearer from different angles, and the LED type are less good unless directly behind it. as well as the question, is there a significant gain to anyone for this or is it just a racket?
i say lobby them demand a rethink and to hell with this ratified so it can't be changed crap11
Why cant it? its just a piece of paper and another example of letting red tape get in the way.
we should withold our licence applications and fees till we get their attention this is justa a waste and thats not right on any level.
Why cant it? its just a piece of paper and another example of letting red tape get in the way.
we should withold our licence applications and fees till we get their attention this is justa a waste and thats not right on any level.
andye30m3 said:
i saw this in the msa magazine.
does anyone know how much the fia lights start at? I'm assuming the £10 maplins one won't be approved!
The £10 Maplins one looks exactly the same as the £45 Merlin one which is FIA approved. I think the only difference is the Merlin one has a resistor wire built in.does anyone know how much the fia lights start at? I'm assuming the £10 maplins one won't be approved!
Edited by andye30m3 on Thursday 1st November 17:30
I fear apethy wil win here
which I might add is exactly what they are relying on by the way
instead of being up in arms we are collectively shrugging our shoulders and taking it up the Arse-nal
come on boys and girls how about a bit of bulldog spirit , why are you not joining in and saying NO to this.
like I said before, if no one renews their licences in Dec and they were lobbied at autosport in January and presented with a pettition they would have to act and be made aware that they need to be more inclusive in policy making in the future, this would be easy to arrange , eg everyone meet at the autosport stand at 11 am, I am happy to hand the pettition over
or are we all just a bunch of spineless w4nkers who do as they are told regardles???
which I might add is exactly what they are relying on by the way
instead of being up in arms we are collectively shrugging our shoulders and taking it up the Arse-nal
come on boys and girls how about a bit of bulldog spirit , why are you not joining in and saying NO to this.
like I said before, if no one renews their licences in Dec and they were lobbied at autosport in January and presented with a pettition they would have to act and be made aware that they need to be more inclusive in policy making in the future, this would be easy to arrange , eg everyone meet at the autosport stand at 11 am, I am happy to hand the pettition over
or are we all just a bunch of spineless w4nkers who do as they are told regardles???
You have to know when to pick your fights your dame!
I don’t like the fact that there is yet another change in fog lights, and for some fairly odd reasons (did I hear it was because the marshals couldn’t see the current ones from certain angles?) – which is a bit daft really, coz the lights aren’t for the marshals they are for the competitors….
Anyway, it’s not the fact of the lamp change that is the issue here, it is a much bigger problem, which I think is to do with motorsport governance on the whole, and regulatory changes specifically. Competitors are not consulted about FIA or any other safety changes, they are steam rollered in place, and we the competitors pick up the tab, and spend our winter’s fixing things on our toys that were legal and working fine the previous season. I would suggest it is more apt to use this lamp thing as an example to consult with the MSA about how rules changes are implemented, to a) get a full understanding of the process (which I believe that there isn’t a single competition licence holder who can definitively describe the process and decision making authority in examples like this) b) to gain transparency that rule changes like this are not brought about by external commercial ‘deals’ that benefit the supplier and no one else ( e.g. the supplier of these new lamps is going to be £££ in, how do we know that the rule change is not the result of his sales pitch? – which; lets face it is not going to be in our interests is it? c) to make the msa provide clear guidelines as to why a rule has to change, to communicate that early enough to cause a minimum amount of disruption, to also allow a forum or feedback session to allow competitiors (or perhaps championship representatives ) to give competitor feedback to the msa – and if necessary create a binding ruleon all parties that changes the rule back, if that is necessary.
Unfortunately, and in the most part, motorsport governance is undertaken by ‘old boys’ with no real business acumen, without an ability to see the bigger picture, It is of course not help by the health and safety nazi’s that are increasingly ruling the world we live in.
It is not viable to ask people to withhold their competition licences, most people are addicted to their motorsport so it is like asking a drug addict to give up a crack habit to protest against the reclassification of a drug. It is also a competitive sport, with competitive individuals who’ll take a win any way it comes, so if you are successful in getting 90% of the stock hatch entries to with hold their licences, I shall be there at the first round, racing against 10 others, looking for a win….
However feel free to speak to the msa, they are at the end of the phone, ask for a meeting to discuss this, and let us know how you get on.
/and relax.
I don’t like the fact that there is yet another change in fog lights, and for some fairly odd reasons (did I hear it was because the marshals couldn’t see the current ones from certain angles?) – which is a bit daft really, coz the lights aren’t for the marshals they are for the competitors….
Anyway, it’s not the fact of the lamp change that is the issue here, it is a much bigger problem, which I think is to do with motorsport governance on the whole, and regulatory changes specifically. Competitors are not consulted about FIA or any other safety changes, they are steam rollered in place, and we the competitors pick up the tab, and spend our winter’s fixing things on our toys that were legal and working fine the previous season. I would suggest it is more apt to use this lamp thing as an example to consult with the MSA about how rules changes are implemented, to a) get a full understanding of the process (which I believe that there isn’t a single competition licence holder who can definitively describe the process and decision making authority in examples like this) b) to gain transparency that rule changes like this are not brought about by external commercial ‘deals’ that benefit the supplier and no one else ( e.g. the supplier of these new lamps is going to be £££ in, how do we know that the rule change is not the result of his sales pitch? – which; lets face it is not going to be in our interests is it? c) to make the msa provide clear guidelines as to why a rule has to change, to communicate that early enough to cause a minimum amount of disruption, to also allow a forum or feedback session to allow competitiors (or perhaps championship representatives ) to give competitor feedback to the msa – and if necessary create a binding ruleon all parties that changes the rule back, if that is necessary.
Unfortunately, and in the most part, motorsport governance is undertaken by ‘old boys’ with no real business acumen, without an ability to see the bigger picture, It is of course not help by the health and safety nazi’s that are increasingly ruling the world we live in.
It is not viable to ask people to withhold their competition licences, most people are addicted to their motorsport so it is like asking a drug addict to give up a crack habit to protest against the reclassification of a drug. It is also a competitive sport, with competitive individuals who’ll take a win any way it comes, so if you are successful in getting 90% of the stock hatch entries to with hold their licences, I shall be there at the first round, racing against 10 others, looking for a win….
However feel free to speak to the msa, they are at the end of the phone, ask for a meeting to discuss this, and let us know how you get on.
/and relax.
Well said Stockhatcher, we're all in it to win it, and there is no way that any kind of majority of those in my race series would band together for a boycott. It would damaged our series, which we all support as much as possible.
The main issue at the moment is that the FIA is losing credibility and so for me there is no trust that these decisions are the right ones. In all honesty it may well be far better for everyone to have a homologated rain light, but I don't trust that the FIA have done this for the right reasons, and I don't trust that they won't change their minds next year for a new design costing us more.
I'm mostly just pissed because I've incorporated my rain light into the bodywork, which looks great, and I worry about how a new light design will fit in there.
The main issue at the moment is that the FIA is losing credibility and so for me there is no trust that these decisions are the right ones. In all honesty it may well be far better for everyone to have a homologated rain light, but I don't trust that the FIA have done this for the right reasons, and I don't trust that they won't change their minds next year for a new design costing us more.
I'm mostly just pissed because I've incorporated my rain light into the bodywork, which looks great, and I worry about how a new light design will fit in there.
stockhatcher said:
I would suggest it is more apt to use this lamp thing as an example to consult with the MSA about how rules changes are implemented, to a) get a full understanding of the process (which I believe that there isn’t a single competition licence holder who can definitively describe the process and decision making authority in examples like this)
I haven't got the new Motorsports Now with me, but normally at the start of the "Rule Changes" section it explains the process by which rule changes are made and each rule change listed has its status described (eg proposal for consultation, ratified by MSC etc), implementation date and the reason for the change.My understanding is that rule changes generally start in the relevant specialist committee, go to MSC, go to consultation via Motorsports Now then go back to MSC to be ratified or not. After the original K37 proposal a couple of years back the process did get a fairly lengthy explanation in Motorsports Now after a lot of people assumed that the proposal was in fact a change to the rules that was definitely coming in to force.
Specialist committee members (I know a few) are not generally MSA employees. MSC members include delegates from all the specialist committees, Regional and a few others - there is a complete list of all committee members in the Blue Book.
A2.5 may be of interest as well, it talks about rule stability.
the msa are overruling their previous light decision of a few years back which, their commities and research groups were certain was the right thing to do. clearly they were wrong, so why can we trust them to be right on this occasion. and given that they were wrong we should be compensated for the wasted money buying the previous lights.
I am right then, no one can see beyond the end of their noses ie the long term good of uniting and voting with our feet. this country is fcuked up and will be overtaken in only a very few short years coz no one gives a shit change the song now
rule britania??? don't make me laugh
hi Ive not relly read the copy of the motorsports magazine with the rule changes in it and i've passed it on to my mate. can soem oentell me if this means that i'll have to change my rain light that like many others is fitted nice and neatly into my rear of my body work, i cant remember if its FIA approved or not but is a cirular LED type with a resistor. cost 20 quid off of ebay.
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