Max Mosley- F1 or f-off?
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Was reading with great interest the article on BBC sport in which Max Mosley made some very strong comments regarding Hamilton and his involvement in F1.
Now I dont think Hamilton is the greatest driver ever, but I do think he has shown some fantastic qualities this season and, despite the whole "was it fixed" debate, I did enjoy watching many races this year.
Im not one to follow the goings-on in F1 in any great detail, but from what ive seen this year of Mosley's comments on a number of issues, I really dont think they are befitting of an FIA president
There are some quite strong views here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A28600373
Agree / disagree?
Now I dont think Hamilton is the greatest driver ever, but I do think he has shown some fantastic qualities this season and, despite the whole "was it fixed" debate, I did enjoy watching many races this year.
Im not one to follow the goings-on in F1 in any great detail, but from what ive seen this year of Mosley's comments on a number of issues, I really dont think they are befitting of an FIA president
There are some quite strong views here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A28600373
Agree / disagree?
Edited by red_zed on Thursday 1st November 12:26
Agreed, Mr Mosley's comments do little to promote the sport which is paying his wages. Could it be he intends them to be controversal, for some misguided reason? His constant bad mouthing of "National Heroes" seems OTT.
Better to keep stum and maybe look a bit of a fool, than open your mouth and prove it.
Better to keep stum and maybe look a bit of a fool, than open your mouth and prove it.
I think his comments regarding LH being bad for F1 if he wins, smack of racism. He didn't win this year and how can anyone gaurantee he'll do it next year? (unless it's fixed!). So what is his point?
3 points seperated the best drivers this year and next year could be closer with Massa, Kubica et all pushing harder. How can that be bad? The guy is a sadly misguided. Whatever anyone thinks of drivers personally, (and God knows PHers let their feelings be known) they are all great racing drivers. So a president should respect that, he clearly doesn't so should Foff. Nuff said
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3 points seperated the best drivers this year and next year could be closer with Massa, Kubica et all pushing harder. How can that be bad? The guy is a sadly misguided. Whatever anyone thinks of drivers personally, (and God knows PHers let their feelings be known) they are all great racing drivers. So a president should respect that, he clearly doesn't so should Foff. Nuff said
Z
jamieboy said:
Zead said:
I think his comments regarding LH being bad for F1 if he wins, smack of racism.
Can you expand on that a bit?he's a tw4t though. always has been.
at times bernie has looked bad but i think he genuinely wants the best for the sport. Mosley just wants 'power'...
LH has proved he is a good driver. He didn't win the title. Doubtless he will do well next year. But nothing is certain.
MM comes out with a statement that he could be bad for the sport if he wins and keeps winning the title, comparing him to MS. On what grounds does MM have the right to say this. LH fans will be delighted if he wins next year and many other F1 fans too. MS is popular outside the UK and his success was down to dedication, hardwork and talent.
If LH achieves half what MS did he will be happy. How can hardwork and talent and above all dedication be bad for a sport and a sporting role model? So MM must have a different reason for his outburst, in my opinion this smacks of racism. I don't mean in a politically correct way. I just get the feeling MM doesnt like LH, and is using his position unwisely to voice that opinion.
MM comes out with a statement that he could be bad for the sport if he wins and keeps winning the title, comparing him to MS. On what grounds does MM have the right to say this. LH fans will be delighted if he wins next year and many other F1 fans too. MS is popular outside the UK and his success was down to dedication, hardwork and talent.
If LH achieves half what MS did he will be happy. How can hardwork and talent and above all dedication be bad for a sport and a sporting role model? So MM must have a different reason for his outburst, in my opinion this smacks of racism. I don't mean in a politically correct way. I just get the feeling MM doesnt like LH, and is using his position unwisely to voice that opinion.
There was a pretty interesting and detailed examination of the whole fiasco in last months Motorsport magazine, which included a full reprint of the FIA's adjudication.
What seems amazing to me is that MacLaren have decided to accept the FIA's findings and the penalties applied to them. The FIA adjudication document uses what scant evidence was actually found to support a series of inferences, guesses, assumptions and best guesses as to what went on. It really is the work of an amateur, and does not meet the standard of proof you would expect an ex-lawyer like Mosley to require.
But setting that aside for a second, Mosley has at best been inconsistant in his application of the rule book this season, and at worst you could argue he has pursued some kind of vendetta against MacLaren and Ron Dennis personally. It is also clear from his snipes and unsubstantiated innuendo this week that he hasn't finished with them yet either - at least if he has anything to do with it.
But what I really have found distateful this year are Mosley's appalling comments about Jackie Stewart (quote : A certified halfwit) and his incessant, personal sniping at Lewis Hamilton. There is pub talk out there as to why Mosley seems to have a problem with Hamilton, and the talk isn't at all complimentary.
Mosley's responsibility as head of the FIA is to run the sport impartially but I think he has lost the ability to do that. More importantly he appears (like Ferrari) to have lost the respect of nearly all the other teams in F1, and is increasingly regarded as a misguided, partial, malicious and incompetant President by the wider industry and enthusiasts. This latest tirade threatening MacLaren over Ferrari "ideas" is no unenforceable as to be almost ludicrous. Can this circus possibly continue much longer like this? I'm not really sure.
Given what has happened this year it is difficult to see how Mosley can continue whilst maintaining this type of partisan and personal approach to specific teams and drivers, and with diminishing respect throughout the sport. As such, he should seriously consider retiring before next season, so as to draw a line under what have been some seemingly very personal comments, and allow the FIA to move on.
Please Max, go and go now.
p.s.
No mention has been made at all of what the FIA is going to do with the fine money, but nobody's holding out that it will get put into grass roots motorsport...
What seems amazing to me is that MacLaren have decided to accept the FIA's findings and the penalties applied to them. The FIA adjudication document uses what scant evidence was actually found to support a series of inferences, guesses, assumptions and best guesses as to what went on. It really is the work of an amateur, and does not meet the standard of proof you would expect an ex-lawyer like Mosley to require.
But setting that aside for a second, Mosley has at best been inconsistant in his application of the rule book this season, and at worst you could argue he has pursued some kind of vendetta against MacLaren and Ron Dennis personally. It is also clear from his snipes and unsubstantiated innuendo this week that he hasn't finished with them yet either - at least if he has anything to do with it.
But what I really have found distateful this year are Mosley's appalling comments about Jackie Stewart (quote : A certified halfwit) and his incessant, personal sniping at Lewis Hamilton. There is pub talk out there as to why Mosley seems to have a problem with Hamilton, and the talk isn't at all complimentary.
Mosley's responsibility as head of the FIA is to run the sport impartially but I think he has lost the ability to do that. More importantly he appears (like Ferrari) to have lost the respect of nearly all the other teams in F1, and is increasingly regarded as a misguided, partial, malicious and incompetant President by the wider industry and enthusiasts. This latest tirade threatening MacLaren over Ferrari "ideas" is no unenforceable as to be almost ludicrous. Can this circus possibly continue much longer like this? I'm not really sure.
Given what has happened this year it is difficult to see how Mosley can continue whilst maintaining this type of partisan and personal approach to specific teams and drivers, and with diminishing respect throughout the sport. As such, he should seriously consider retiring before next season, so as to draw a line under what have been some seemingly very personal comments, and allow the FIA to move on.
Please Max, go and go now.
p.s.
No mention has been made at all of what the FIA is going to do with the fine money, but nobody's holding out that it will get put into grass roots motorsport...
Edited by corozin on Friday 2nd November 15:37
corozin said:
But what I really have found distateful this year are Mosley's ... incessant, personal sniping at Lewis Hamilton. There is pub talk out there as to why Mosley seems to have a problem with Hamilton, and the talk isn't at all complimentary.
Can somebody point me at a full list of these snipes? From the tone of this post, and Zead's above, I feel I must have missed something.
Mosley needs to resign asap ! otherwise F1 will go into meltdown as long as he is there. His decisions are just laughable, the spygate--WTF was that all about ?
Fia offical in the Maclaren garage ? it goes on........So much is spoken about within all the mechanics/staff, everyone knows everyone!! All is talked about.
Alonso !! talk about bite the hand that feeds you, and then get all the support from Mr Mosley.......Amazing.
Fia offical in the Maclaren garage ? it goes on........So much is spoken about within all the mechanics/staff, everyone knows everyone!! All is talked about.
Alonso !! talk about bite the hand that feeds you, and then get all the support from Mr Mosley.......Amazing.
jamieboy said:
corozin said:
But what I really have found distateful this year are Mosley's ... incessant, personal sniping at Lewis Hamilton. There is pub talk out there as to why Mosley seems to have a problem with Hamilton, and the talk isn't at all complimentary.
Can somebody point me at a full list of these snipes? From the tone of this post, and Zead's above, I feel I must have missed something.PJS917 said:
jamieboy said:
corozin said:
But what I really have found distateful this year are Mosley's ... incessant, personal sniping at Lewis Hamilton. There is pub talk out there as to why Mosley seems to have a problem with Hamilton, and the talk isn't at all complimentary.
Can somebody point me at a full list of these snipes? From the tone of this post, and Zead's above, I feel I must have missed something.jamieboy said:
PJS917 said:
jamieboy said:
corozin said:
But what I really have found distateful this year are Mosley's ... incessant, personal sniping at Lewis Hamilton. There is pub talk out there as to why Mosley seems to have a problem with Hamilton, and the talk isn't at all complimentary.
Can somebody point me at a full list of these snipes? From the tone of this post, and Zead's above, I feel I must have missed something.Certainly there was the statement a couple of weeks ago that Hamilton's influence on the viewing figures this years was very over-rated, there were a few around the time of the 'blocking' incident, there was the unnecessary 'serious consequences' quote when the Chinese stewards suddenly re-opened the book on the Webber/Vettel incident.
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