Ferrari, the pot calling the kettle black?...

[Tony 1234]

When you look at all the alleged sculduggery they have been upto over the years, it does make me laugh.

I remember reading on H H Frenzon's(SP) site a few years ago that he stated MS'S car looked like it had traction control (it was banned) when it was coming out of a corner!

What a joke

Don't think Ron Dennis has anything to worry about.

Tony

Edited by Tony 1234 on Wednesday 2nd January 14:32

[John D*]

Tony 1234 said:

I remember reading on H H Frenzon's(SP) site a few years ago that he stated MS'S car looked like it had traction control (it was banned) when it was coming out of a corner!

Schumi probably brought that technology over with him when he left Benneton.

[Ecurie Ecosse]

A good attempt to start a lively discussion, Tony.

However:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20...

"Schumacher accused Frentzen of bringing the sport into disrepute, but some take the view that Frentzen was only voicing general concerns that have been simmering ever since traction control was outlawed for 1994.

"How many of you people wrote that I was claiming Ferrari was using illegal traction control? Nobody?" Frentzen asked. "I am very surprised he's said that, then." Frentzen denies saying that Ferrari are running illegal traction control.

"I said on my home page, where all this news is coming from, how this system, a legal traction control, works. That's a legal system used for some years in some teams. This is the system I was talking about, I never mentioned illegal traction control."

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Now, if you REALLY want to start a lively debate may I suggest you say something along the lines of "I don't like Lewis Hamilton" ; )

Edited by Ecurie Ecosse on Wednesday 2nd January 20:48

[flemke]

You don't have to rely on Frentzen to believe that Benetton ran traction control in '94. Benetton themselves admitted it. The question was whether they used it in races.

When the FIA discovered the infamous 13th selection on the menu, they said:

"...the best evidence is that Benetton Formula Ltd was not using 'launch control' at the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix."

Benetton admitted that the car's menu showed a launch control function. They argued that it was not operative during races, but was used only for testing. Right...

Speaking of Benetton, cheating, and 1994, bear in mind that in 1994 Benetton did admit to the FIA that they had illicitly removed the filters from their fuel rigs in an effort to speed up the flow during pitstops. The missing filter was the cause of the Jos Verstappen barbeque that set mechanic Steve Matchett alight, and which could have had tragic consequences.

[Mojocvh]

Ecurie Ecosse said:

Now, if you REALLY want to start a lively debate may I suggest you say something along the lines of "I don't like Lewis Hamilton" ; )

Edited by Ecurie Ecosse on Wednesday 2nd January 20:48

You are getting quite boring you know...............

[Tony 1234]

Ecurie Ecosse said:

Now, if you REALLY want to start a lively debate may I suggest you say something along the lines of "I don't like Lewis Hamilton" ; )

Edited by Ecurie Ecosse on Wednesday 2nd January 20:48

But, unlike you I DO like him, I'm age 62 born in the UK, and Lewis makes me proud to be British.

Tony

[stephen300o]

Mojocvh said:

Ecurie Ecosse said:

Now, if you REALLY want to start a lively debate may I suggest you say something along the lines of "I don't like Lewis Hamilton" ; )

Edited by Ecurie Ecosse on Wednesday 2nd January 20:48

You are getting quite boring you know...............

Of course yet another "Ferrari are naughty" post, is just amusing as the last

[andyps]

flemke said:

"...the best evidence is that Benetton Formula Ltd was not using 'launch control' at the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix."

Not difficult to substitute the name "Renault" for "Benetton" and find similar wording in recent FIA transcripts

[ph123]

... and Tom Walkinshaw as Beneton's chief-something-or-other. Along with Rory and Ross.
Don't even ...

[flemke]

andyps said:

flemke said:

"...the best evidence is that Benetton Formula Ltd was not using 'launch control' at the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix."

Not difficult to substitute the name "Renault" for "Benetton" and find similar wording in recent FIA transcripts

ph123 said:

... and Tom Walkinshaw as Beneton's chief-something-or-other. Along with Rory and Ross.
Don't even ...

And, lest we forget, the Benetton team principal was...the current Renault team principal, and that same noble Billionaire is Bernie's business partner and the only team principal who outspokenly supported the FIA witch hunt.

But all that is coincidence, my good men, mere coincidence.

[knighty]

by far the best comments recently came from Mika Salo when this whole spying saga popped up.......when he drove for Ferrari when Schumacher broke his leg in 1999/2000 ish........after qualifying Ferarri would provide Salo & Irvine with all of McLarens radio conversations regarding set-up and pit strategy........as Ferrari were scanning McLarens radios - which was strictly banned.....now if thats not using someone elses data for your own benefit, then I dont know what is........Ferarri are the as bad if not worse than the rest of the pack when it comes to cheating.

[Tony 1234]

knighty said:

by far the best comments recently came from Mika Salo when this whole spying saga popped up.......when he drove for Ferrari when Schumacher broke his leg in 1999/2000 ish........after qualifying Ferarri would provide Salo & Irvine with all of McLarens radio conversations regarding set-up and pit strategy........as Ferrari were scanning McLarens radios - which was strictly banned.....now if thats not using someone elses data for your own benefit, then I dont know what is........Ferarri are the as bad if not worse than the rest of the pack when it comes to cheating.

Thank you.


Tony

[flemke]

Tony 1234 said:

knighty said:

by far the best comments recently came from Mika Salo when this whole spying saga popped up.......when he drove for Ferrari when Schumacher broke his leg in 1999/2000 ish........after qualifying Ferarri would provide Salo & Irvine with all of McLarens radio conversations regarding set-up and pit strategy........as Ferrari were scanning McLarens radios - which was strictly banned.....now if thats not using someone elses data for your own benefit, then I dont know what is........Ferarri are the as bad if not worse than the rest of the pack when it comes to cheating.

Thank you.


Tony

This happened in 2007.
Let us not forget that, the day following his having made that revelation, and after having spoken with his manager, Salo rushed to tell the motorsport media that his remarks the previous day had been misunderstood.
Nothing to do with the fact that Salo was under contract throughout 2007 to drive Ferraris and Maseratis in FIA GT.

[Fort Jefferson]

Tony 1234 said:

Ecurie Ecosse said:

Now, if you REALLY want to start a lively debate may I suggest you say something along the lines of "I don't like Lewis Hamilton" ; )

Edited by Ecurie Ecosse on Wednesday 2nd January 20:48

But, unlike you I DO like him, I'm age 62 born in the UK, and Lewis makes me proud to be British.

Tony

It's a shame Lewis isn't proud to be British. The first time he's on Parkinson, he says, he feels more at home in Granada, and he's going to live in Switzerland.

So tell me why I should support him?

[anonymous-user]

knighty said:

by far the best comments recently came from Mika Salo when this whole spying saga popped up.......when he drove for Ferrari when Schumacher broke his leg in 1999/2000 ish........after qualifying Ferarri would provide Salo & Irvine with all of McLarens radio conversations regarding set-up and pit strategy........as Ferrari were scanning McLarens radios - which was strictly banned.....now if thats not using someone elses data for your own benefit, then I dont know what is........Ferarri are the as bad if not worse than the rest of the pack when it comes to cheating.

I dont recall the rules stating you cant listen to the opositions radio transmitions. I would expect them all to be doing it and i would also expect them all to be encripting their transmitions at that time, Williams certainly were as one of their sponsors was using the team to help promote their radio and data encription technologies.

[Regional]

It wasnt Steve Matchett that caught light in the Benneton fire, it was another member of the pit crew, I have Steve's book somewhere.

Splitting hairs anyway )

[flemke]

Regional said:

It wasnt Steve Matchett that caught light in the Benneton fire, it was another member of the pit crew, I have Steve's book somewhere.

Splitting hairs anyway )

"The car disappeared in a ball of white flame, and I remember a noise like a rush of air produced before an underground train enters the station. My overalls were on fire and I remember rolling on the ground trying to extinguish the flames. The McLaren mechanics came running to help and it was their speed and efficiency that saved me from serious injury. I was relatively lucky; six of my team mates were rushed to hospital by helicopter. It was terrible."


Steve Matchett, 1999

[Stuismyname]

Fort Jefferson said:

Tony 1234 said:

Ecurie Ecosse said:

Now, if you REALLY want to start a lively debate may I suggest you say something along the lines of "I don't like Lewis Hamilton" ; )

Edited by Ecurie Ecosse on Wednesday 2nd January 20:48

But, unlike you I DO like him, I'm age 62 born in the UK, and Lewis makes me proud to be British.

Tony

It's a shame Lewis isn't proud to be British. The first time he's on Parkinson, he says, he feels more at home in Granada, and he's going to live in Switzerland.

So tell me why I should support him?

Did anyone say you should support him? You pluck for whomever you like FJ.

[Tony 1234]

Fort Jefferson said:

Tony 1234 said:

Ecurie Ecosse said:

Now, if you REALLY want to start a lively debate may I suggest you say something along the lines of "I don't like Lewis Hamilton" ; )

Edited by Ecurie Ecosse on Wednesday 2nd January 20:48

But, unlike you I DO like him, I'm age 62 born in the UK, and Lewis makes me proud to be British.

Tony

It's a shame Lewis isn't proud to be British. The first time he's on Parkinson, he says, he feels more at home in Granada, and he's going to live in Switzerland.

So tell me why I should support him?

But I think he IS proud to be british, he said Granada ALSO feels like home.

If I/or you was earning his dosh I/you would be on the first flight out of here.

Why should he be driving for the tax man for 90% of the laps in a race?

Tony

[Regional]

Sorry Flemke, may have jumped the gun - from memory Steve said that he wasn't the guy in the famous photo, my apologies.