Charlie Whiting F1 race director?

[Zead]

3 times this year Charlie Whiting has made decisions in races that have put Lewis Hamilton at a disadvantage. Nothing contrived just as an end result.
1: pace car in Canada, deployed very late for a seemingly innocuous stranded car. Allows KR to make up 5 sec deficit then leaves a lot of the grid wondering whether they would make their pit window. LH's visual impairment re. Red Light was his own doing, but IMO should not have been in that position
2: France, late decision to impose drive through on LH for off track overtaking cost him a possible 3rd. McMerc had apparently asked did they need to yield the place at the time, if they had said yes he could have just done the job properly on the next lap and again, IMO gone on to 3rd.
3: German GP, pace car held out for too long after debris was cleared, limiting McMerc to less fast laps before the pit stop, almost compromising LH's strategy. (Although McMerc could have seen that coming) LH was too quick anyway to not win.

So just wondering what other PHers thought. Is: CW working for MM? Making F1 more exciting under the direction of the Dwarf? or just being really safety conscience? which I obviously applaud. Or am I just a slightly biased LH fan, no don't answer that last one.

[FourWheelDrift]

Remember that Charlie Whiting and Herbie Blash (the other white haired chap seen ushering drivers from parc ferme) were both employed at Brabham by Bernie Ecclestone when he ran the team.

Jobs for the boys.

[Scuffers]

I think that's somewhat harsh, I have seen no reason to question Charlie Whiting's decisions on a bias viewpoint...

nearest is the French GP, yes, they should have said at the time, but I think you will find that's not Charlie's call...

[E30M3SE]

I don't get it...... your man LH doesn't win, for whatever reason, and you guys bi%ch more than a group of bi%ches at a bi%ch fight, your man wins and your still bi%ching.

Will you lot ever be happy?

[FNG]

E30M3SE said:

I don't get it...... your man LH doesn't win, for whatever reason, and you guys bi%ch more than a group of bi%ches at a bi%ch fight, your man wins and your still bi%ching.

Will you loh ever be happy?

So if someone tries to put a spanner in the works but you manage to avoid its effect, that makes it all right? They can keep throwing spanners at will?

[Zead]

I don't care who wins as long as it is fair, then there is no bchin to be done whoever you support. I am just canvassing opinion. I have never noticed CW's influence before these events, so just thought I would air them

[E30M3SE]

FNG said:

E30M3SE said:

I don't get it...... your man LH doesn't win, for whatever reason, and you guys bi%ch more than a group of bi%ches at a bi%ch fight, your man wins and your still bi%ching.

Will you loh ever be happy?

So if someone tries to put a spanner in the works but you manage to avoid its effect, that makes it all right? They can keep throwing spanners at will?

What spanner at Germany, I suppose you were there supervising the removal at subsequent clean up of Glock's car to know for fact that the safety car stayed out too long.

If you were then I offer my sincerest apology.

[anonymous-user]

Perhaps he's been talking to Alan "the lead's too big, bring out a safety car" Gow?

[FNG]

E30M3SE said:

FNG said:

E30M3SE said:

I don't get it...... your man LH doesn't win, for whatever reason, and you guys bi%ch more than a group of bi%ches at a bi%ch fight, your man wins and your still bi%ching.

Will you loh ever be happy?

So if someone tries to put a spanner in the works but you manage to avoid its effect, that makes it all right? They can keep throwing spanners at will?

What spanner at Germany, I suppose you were there supervising the removal at subsequent clean up of Glock's car to know for fact that the safety car stayed out too long.

If you were then I offer my sincerest apology.

Well done with the attitude. Here's some in return.


Nothing in my post was specific to any event.

I was talking generally. In principle.

Would you care to answer to that, or would you like instead to jump to another hasty conclusion?


See, we can both get snotty if we try. Shall we play nice instead?

[E30M3SE]

FNG said:

E30M3SE said:

FNG said:

E30M3SE said:

I don't get it...... your man LH doesn't win, for whatever reason, and you guys bi%ch more than a group of bi%ches at a bi%ch fight, your man wins and your still bi%ching.

Will you loh ever be happy?

So if someone tries to put a spanner in the works but you manage to avoid its effect, that makes it all right? They can keep throwing spanners at will?

What spanner at Germany, I suppose you were there supervising the removal at subsequent clean up of Glock's car to know for fact that the safety car stayed out too long.

If you were then I offer my sincerest apology.

Well done with the attitude. Here's some in return.


Nothing in my post was specific to any event.

I was talking generally. In principle.

Would you care to answer to that, or would you like instead to jump to another hasty conclusion?


See, we can both get snotty if we try. Shall we play nice instead?

Carry on.... fill your boot's, I've said all I got to say, there's just no pleasing some people, LH doesn't win and the conspiracy theorist are working overtime like a gagle of hens when he wins same old story.

BTW, you may not have mentioned specifics, but the OP has.

[FNG]

E30M3SE said:

Carry on.... fill your boot's, I've said all I got to say, there's just no pleasing some people, LH doesn't win and the conspiracy theorist are working overtime like a gagle of hens when he wins same old story.

BTW, you may not have mentioned specifics, but the OP has.

I take the point you are making. Although regardless of the result yesterday, if there was a conspiracy before there's likely to still be one afterward.

Was saying that a wrong isn't righted by a favourable outcome.

[E30M3SE]

FNG said:

E30M3SE said:

Carry on.... fill your boot's, I've said all I got to say, there's just no pleasing some people, LH doesn't win and the conspiracy theorist are working overtime like a gagle of hens when he wins same old story.

BTW, you may not have mentioned specifics, but the OP has.

I take the point you are making. Although regardless of the result yesterday, if there was a conspiracy before there's likely to still be one afterward.

Was saying that a wrong isn't righted by a favourable outcome.

Conjecture of the PH massive does not equal a wrong, where is the evidence?

The only (EDIT: possible) mess up at Germany was Mclarens own doing by not coming in under the safety car.

Edited by E30M3SE on Monday 21st July 15:30

[furtive]

Wasn't the pace car kept out yesterday to allow the lapped cars to rejoin the back of the snake?

Man also landed on the moon, and Princess Di was killed by a drunk driver too BTW.

[Zead]

To add to my questions, (as I only pointed out the things that happened to LH as I was following his progress).

Can any other driver fans think of times when the race director has compromised their driver's race by seemingly unnecessary actions, or even improved it, be honest here.

This is to try and stop comments like the ones from E30M3SE. I want fair discussion, not backlash, as FNG said, play nice

[FNG]

E30M3SE said:

FNG said:

E30M3SE said:

Carry on.... fill your boot's, I've said all I got to say, there's just no pleasing some people, LH doesn't win and the conspiracy theorist are working overtime like a gagle of hens when he wins same old story.

BTW, you may not have mentioned specifics, but the OP has.

I take the point you are making. Although regardless of the result yesterday, if there was a conspiracy before there's likely to still be one afterward.

Was saying that a wrong isn't righted by a favourable outcome.

Conjecture of the PH massive does not equal a wrong, where is the evidence?

The only (EDIT: possible) mess up at Germany was Mclarens own doing by not coming in under the safety car.

Edited by E30M3SE on Monday 21st July 15:30

To correct myself - should have said "if a conspiracy was perceived before there's likely to still be one perceived afterward"

Again this is comments about a series of incidents or interpretations thereof, not anything particular in Germany.

[Bitter'n'Twisted]

furtive said:

Wasn't the pace car kept out yesterday to allow the lapped cars to rejoin the back of the snake?

Man also landed on the moon, and Princess Di was killed by a drunk driver too BTW.

Yep. Some sense at last.

Surprised no-one has suggested that Glocks suspension was taken out by Max Mosley
firing a sniper rifle from the grassy knoll, in order to get the safety car out.

It seems that no outlandish theory is a theory too far for PH. As long as it conforms to the
McLaren good, Ferrari bad hysteria that abounds on here.

Edited by Bitter'n'Twisted on Monday 21st July 18:00

[Riverside]

Charlie Whiting's a decent chap with some tough calls to make. His handling of the safety car start at Fuji(?) last year by bringing it in before fuel stops became an issue was excellent imo.

I think there is a tendancy to only remember events that disadvantage your own team or driver.

If you want to look for evidence of bias maybe you should wonder why McLaren were moved to the last pit garage for a few races earlier this season

[EDLT]

Riverside said:

Charlie Whiting's a decent chap with some tough calls to make. His handling of the safety car start at Fuji(?) last year by bringing it in before fuel stops became an issue was excellent imo.

And he got Ferrari to change to wet tyres like everyone else when they planned on running intermediates behind the safety car.

[flemke]

EDLT said:

Riverside said:

Charlie Whiting's a decent chap with some tough calls to make. His handling of the safety car start at Fuji(?) last year by bringing it in before fuel stops became an issue was excellent imo.

And he got Ferrari to change to wet tyres like everyone else when they planned on running intermediates behind the safety car.

True, but at the same time what the stewards failed to do was to penalise Ferrari for having flagrantly broken the rules.
The incredible irony was that, if the safety car had not been pulled, the stewards' decision to have Ferrari change the tyres but not to penalise them would have resulted in their finishing no worse than 2nd and 3rd.

[Zead]

Bitter'n'Twisted said:

furtive said:

It seems that no outlandish theory is a theory too far for PH. As long as it conforms to the
McLaren good, Ferrari bad hysteria that abounds on here.

Edited by Bitter'n'Twisted on Monday 21st July 18:00

The point of my post was to see if I was just viewing from a single point of view. I don't doubt CW's integrity, I just wanted other views and to see if any other drivers have been compromised by questionable stewards decisions. I am not stirring hysteria. This is a not a cry of foul, just an observation

And moving the pit lane garage, was done because the original one they had been given was too small for all their kit.