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fredster said:
I'm 17, but no licence yet.
Is the 205 Rally (in the classifieds) modded. I mean so that I don't have to do a lot on the engine side, or is that a go faster badge?
I think that's what you meant to say Fred. One way or the other you have to understand that any form of competition is expensive - why can't you understand that?
No-one here wants to put you off or laugh at your enthusiasm - in fact I'm sure we would all like to encourage you, and hope that some day you can drive a car in a rally.
Maybe lots of us would like to do the same thing, but we know that £300 is not nearly enough. £3000 is not enough either, so you will just have to be very patient.
In a few years time you may have a driving licence and some money too, so please wait until then before you ask for more advice.
Good luck!
You'll need about
£300 for your race licence
£750 for your race suit, helmet
£3,500 for a basic car
£500 for a trailer
£x for something to tow it with
£500 per event minimum plus acommodation, food etc
£x to bribe (usually beer / stodgy food) mates to service for you
£x for a codriver to find to join you in your passion
£2000 minimum to cover the season for tyres, oil, brake pads and so on
£x for bodywork repairs and upgrades, improvements and so on.
... all this for a clubman level season.
My best advice is to join an MSA approved motor club, one which has a rallying slant. Offer to help out as service crew and see what it's all about.
In the meantime, get your road licence sorted and you're on your way.
£300 for your race licence
£750 for your race suit, helmet
£3,500 for a basic car
£500 for a trailer
£x for something to tow it with
£500 per event minimum plus acommodation, food etc
£x to bribe (usually beer / stodgy food) mates to service for you
£x for a codriver to find to join you in your passion
£2000 minimum to cover the season for tyres, oil, brake pads and so on
£x for bodywork repairs and upgrades, improvements and so on.
... all this for a clubman level season.
My best advice is to join an MSA approved motor club, one which has a rallying slant. Offer to help out as service crew and see what it's all about.
In the meantime, get your road licence sorted and you're on your way.
fredster said:
if i get a car ... can [I] still [use it] for autoteats and pcts is that right?
Autoteats, I'd pay to watch that.
Seriously. You can use a standard road car, for autotests, PCTs, navigational scatters, 12-car rallies, and road rallies. As mentioned earlier in the thread, find your local motorclub (www.ukmotorsport.com has all the info) and find out what event theirs members compete in.
To answer one of your qeustions Fredster, the 205 Rallye is a pretty decent little road car and as far as I can remember it was a homologation special. Ie it was built to get the little Pug into rallyng, its twin weber carbed 1.3 will push out about 100 bhp which isnt bad and it does'nt weigh much either.
Obviously for stage rallying it will need a roll cage, electrical cut out (inside and outside), and an fire extinguisher fitted, there maybe other things but I cant remember what they are. The MSA shpuld be able to rovide you with the info you need.
Good luck, have fun !
Obviously for stage rallying it will need a roll cage, electrical cut out (inside and outside), and an fire extinguisher fitted, there maybe other things but I cant remember what they are. The MSA shpuld be able to rovide you with the info you need.
Good luck, have fun !
Hey Big_Dan, at least give him the website address ;-)
fredster, there's a spreadsheet on there that should help you get a rough idea. The short of it is (I'm sad to say) forget it for £300. Autocross or autotesting might be nearer the mark but to be honest you're still going to be a bit stuck at £300....
Best o'luck though...
Cheers,
Dan
www.giveitdeath.com
fredster, there's a spreadsheet on there that should help you get a rough idea. The short of it is (I'm sad to say) forget it for £300. Autocross or autotesting might be nearer the mark but to be honest you're still going to be a bit stuck at £300....
Best o'luck though...
Cheers,
Dan
www.giveitdeath.com
fredster said:
the 3oo is just for the car and ill start prepin it after ive done my aprenticeship probably 3 years time £11,446.28
sperad over these 3 years is £3815.43 per year and ill beon more than that when i start it how good are minis at rallying
Realistically, not very competitive, particularly in the forests. Certainly not anywhere near standard fettle anyway - I know of some vauxhall-powered ones that are pretty nipping, but you can forget that for the amount you're looking to spend!
Probably a 1400 Nova or a 1600 Pug 205/106 or even Saxo... look along those lines. Start saving and I hope you realise there's other things in life you have to keep money for - like 'living' :]
Best o'luck and all that...
Big_Dan said:
You'll need about
£300 for your race licence
£750 for your race suit, helmet
£3,500 for a basic car
£500 for a trailer
£x for something to tow it with
£500 per event minimum plus acommodation, food etc
£x to bribe (usually beer / stodgy food) mates to service for you
£x for a codriver to find to join you in your passion
£2000 minimum to cover the season for tyres, oil, brake pads and so on
£x for bodywork repairs and upgrades, improvements and so on.
... all this for a clubman level season.
My best advice is to join an MSA approved motor club, one which has a rallying slant. Offer to help out as service crew and see what it's all about.
In the meantime, get your road licence sorted and you're on your way.
Truest thing I've read all week - these are really good figures to work from. I estimate about 10K for the first year might see you completing some events.
You're all too cruel.
Fredster - you have a lot to learn about motor sport, obviously. Do some reading, buy some mags, visit relavent web-sites and find out about local motor sport clubs. Just to give you some idea of the costs involved, even at the most basic levels. Here is how much I spent out when I started competitive sprinting three years ago - and this is only for the compuslory equipment -
MSA Approved Helmet - £70
MSA Approved race suit - £175 (the cheapest available)
MSA Approved Gloves - £18
MSA Approved Boots - £50
FIA Standard Roll Over protection for my Caterham - £200 (and that was just a roll over bar, not a cage).
MSA Approved Battery Cut Off switch (not compulsory) - £40 (including fitting).
Total - £355.
Not included in above -
Cost of Car (no I'm not telling you)
Cost of Club Membership - £30 to £40
Entry Fees for events - about £150 (based on four events in my first year).
Annual MSA Membership and licence - £28
As you can see, it's not horrendously ecpensive but you are not going to get very far for £300.
>> Edited by eric mc on Sunday 25th January 13:51
Fredster - you have a lot to learn about motor sport, obviously. Do some reading, buy some mags, visit relavent web-sites and find out about local motor sport clubs. Just to give you some idea of the costs involved, even at the most basic levels. Here is how much I spent out when I started competitive sprinting three years ago - and this is only for the compuslory equipment -
MSA Approved Helmet - £70
MSA Approved race suit - £175 (the cheapest available)
MSA Approved Gloves - £18
MSA Approved Boots - £50
FIA Standard Roll Over protection for my Caterham - £200 (and that was just a roll over bar, not a cage).
MSA Approved Battery Cut Off switch (not compulsory) - £40 (including fitting).
Total - £355.
Not included in above -
Cost of Car (no I'm not telling you)
Cost of Club Membership - £30 to £40
Entry Fees for events - about £150 (based on four events in my first year).
Annual MSA Membership and licence - £28
As you can see, it's not horrendously ecpensive but you are not going to get very far for £300.
>> Edited by eric mc on Sunday 25th January 13:51
Good luck Fredster, servicing'll be a real eye opener.
It gets you involved without the expense, I know cos I've seen the bottomless wallets needed (sorry Brumster & Big_Dan! ).
A few rallies crewing and you'll be itching to take to the co-drivers seat. That's when it starts costing (licence, racesuit, helmet etc., and usually sharing cost of entry with driver).
After that, just pray that you've landed a well paid job and the world's your oyster.
Ta.
BTW Have you considered marshalling aswell? It's a good way to get involved in the sport and a great way of fuelling your octane addiction. (Oh and, pushing scoobys/cossies out of ditches is kinda fun too!).
>> Edited by traction on Tuesday 27th January 13:00
It gets you involved without the expense, I know cos I've seen the bottomless wallets needed (sorry Brumster & Big_Dan! ).
A few rallies crewing and you'll be itching to take to the co-drivers seat. That's when it starts costing (licence, racesuit, helmet etc., and usually sharing cost of entry with driver).
After that, just pray that you've landed a well paid job and the world's your oyster.
Ta.
BTW Have you considered marshalling aswell? It's a good way to get involved in the sport and a great way of fuelling your octane addiction. (Oh and, pushing scoobys/cossies out of ditches is kinda fun too!).
>> Edited by traction on Tuesday 27th January 13:00
www.brmc.org.uk
British Marshals Rally Club
www.marshals.co.uk
British Motorsport Marshals Association
British Marshals Rally Club
www.marshals.co.uk
British Motorsport Marshals Association
...or find out which events your local motor club attend (or even organise). Get along to their meets and find out more about the sport.
If you do enough marshalling you can (through your Motor club) get on to the MSA Marshal register allowing you to marshal at the Wales rally GB
Ta.
If you do enough marshalling you can (through your Motor club) get on to the MSA Marshal register allowing you to marshal at the Wales rally GB
Ta.
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