lewis hamilton

[A911DOM]

Im sorry, but going back to the original comment:

'Button will be back where he was'

He was in a BAR Honda prior to this season, and it was an awful car languishing at the back of the field.

If he is right at the back again in a Brawn car next year then I will gladly eat my words

[Marcia]

A911DOM said:

Im sorry, but going back to the original comment:

'Button will be back where he was'

He was in a BAR Honda prior to this season, and it was an awful car languishing at the back of the field.

If he is right at the back again in a Brawn car next year then I will gladly eat my words

Your original comment "if Brawn churn out a cr@p car" he had a better car than Lewis all season,but Lewis continueously outscored him in the 2nd half of the season fact!need i say more.

[FNG]

Marcia said:

Your original comment "if Brawn churn out a cr@p car" he had a better car than Lewis all season,but Lewis continueously outscored him in the 2nd half of the season fact!need i say more.

Factually incorrect.

[CampDavid]

Marcia said:

A911DOM said:

Im sorry, but going back to the original comment:

'Button will be back where he was'

He was in a BAR Honda prior to this season, and it was an awful car languishing at the back of the field.

If he is right at the back again in a Brawn car next year then I will gladly eat my words

Your original comment "if Brawn churn out a cr@p car" he had a better car than Lewis all season,but Lewis continueously outscored him in the 2nd half of the season fact!need i say more.

Not really. The McLaren was probably the fastest car for the back end of the season. In Italy it looked absolutely sublime and through Ascari looked mighty.

Lewis had the best car for every race of 2008, JB didn't this year but wrapped it up with great race craft. Lewis should get this over time, if he does he'll win a few titles. If he doesn't, someone else will

[A911DOM]

Marcia said:

A911DOM said:

Im sorry, but going back to the original comment:

'Button will be back where he was'

He was in a BAR Honda prior to this season, and it was an awful car languishing at the back of the field.

If he is right at the back again in a Brawn car next year then I will gladly eat my words

Your original comment "if Brawn churn out a cr@p car" he had a better car than Lewis all season,but Lewis continueously outscored him in the 2nd half of the season fact!need i say more.

I am assuming that the McLaren was in fact a superior car (with the added benefit of Kers) once they'd caught up with the developments.

Im not denying that JB got a flying start with the teams interpretation of the rules - but he's made the most of it, and taken advantage where others havent. He's also been a little over conservative (its difficult to understand how much pressure he felt not having the experience of being in the pinnacle of motorsport myself (sadly)) in the second half of the season and I dont think the car has developed nearly as aggresively as other teams.

I mentioned on another thread that I'd hoped to see JB and LH in the same team and same car where we could genuinely compare like for like, but it doesnt look like happening.

They are both Brits so Im very happy to see either of them doing well, but I still dont think JB got where he was by just being a cr@p driver with a better car.

I guess we'll see next year (thank god its only til March we have to wait for it to get under way again!)

[Wanta996Gotta]

CampDavid said:

Marcia said:

A911DOM said:

Im sorry, but going back to the original comment:

'Button will be back where he was'

He was in a BAR Honda prior to this season, and it was an awful car languishing at the back of the field.

If he is right at the back again in a Brawn car next year then I will gladly eat my words

Your original comment "if Brawn churn out a cr@p car" he had a better car than Lewis all season,but Lewis continueously outscored him in the 2nd half of the season fact!need i say more.

Not really. The McLaren was probably the fastest car for the back end of the season. In Italy it looked absolutely sublime and through Ascari looked mighty.

Lewis had the best car for every race of 2008, JB didn't this year but wrapped it up with great race craft. Lewis should get this over time, if he does he'll win a few titles. If he doesn't, someone else will

What makes you think Lewis had the best car in 2008? If it was so good, were was Heiki? The Brawn has showed that it was on a different level to the other cars with both drivers scoring highly.

Lewis as a Rookie lost the WDC by 1 point remember. He does not need any race-craft lessons from Jenson Button.

Edited by Wanta996Gotta on Tuesday 20th October 17:00

[amglover]

Wanta996Gotta said:

CampDavid said:

Marcia said:

A911DOM said:

Im sorry, but going back to the original comment:

'Button will be back where he was'

He was in a BAR Honda prior to this season, and it was an awful car languishing at the back of the field.

If he is right at the back again in a Brawn car next year then I will gladly eat my words

Your original comment "if Brawn churn out a cr@p car" he had a better car than Lewis all season,but Lewis continueously outscored him in the 2nd half of the season fact!need i say more.

Not really. The McLaren was probably the fastest car for the back end of the season. In Italy it looked absolutely sublime and through Ascari looked mighty.

Lewis had the best car for every race of 2008, JB didn't this year but wrapped it up with great race craft. Lewis should get this over time, if he does he'll win a few titles. If he doesn't, someone else will

What makes you think Lewis had the best car in 2008? If it was so good, were was Heiki? The Brawn has showed that it was on a different level to the other cars. Lewis as a Rookie lost the WDC by 1 point remember. He does not need any race-craft lessons from Jenson Button.

A911DOM seems to have very high prescription blinkers indeed!

[Marcia]

Wanta996Gotta said:

CampDavid said:

Marcia said:

A911DOM said:

Im sorry, but going back to the original comment:

'Button will be back where he was'

He was in a BAR Honda prior to this season, and it was an awful car languishing at the back of the field.

If he is right at the back again in a Brawn car next year then I will gladly eat my words

Your original comment "if Brawn churn out a cr@p car" he had a better car than Lewis all season,but Lewis continueously outscored him in the 2nd half of the season fact!need i say more.

Not really. The McLaren was probably the fastest car for the back end of the season. In Italy it looked absolutely sublime and through Ascari looked mighty.

Lewis had the best car for every race of 2008, JB didn't this year but wrapped it up with great race craft. Lewis should get this over time, if he does he'll win a few titles. If he doesn't, someone else will

Lewis as a Rookie lost the WDC by 1 point remember. He does not need any race-craft lessons from Jenson Button.

Edited by Wanta996Gotta on Tuesday 20th October 17:00

Well said.

[CampDavid]

Wanta996Gotta said:

CampDavid said:

Marcia said:

A911DOM said:

Im sorry, but going back to the original comment:

'Button will be back where he was'

He was in a BAR Honda prior to this season, and it was an awful car languishing at the back of the field.

If he is right at the back again in a Brawn car next year then I will gladly eat my words

Your original comment "if Brawn churn out a cr@p car" he had a better car than Lewis all season,but Lewis continueously outscored him in the 2nd half of the season fact!need i say more.

Not really. The McLaren was probably the fastest car for the back end of the season. In Italy it looked absolutely sublime and through Ascari looked mighty.

Lewis had the best car for every race of 2008, JB didn't this year but wrapped it up with great race craft. Lewis should get this over time, if he does he'll win a few titles. If he doesn't, someone else will

What makes you think Lewis had the best car in 2008? If it was so good, were was Heiki? The Brawn has showed that it was on a different level to the other cars. Lewis as a Rookie lost the WDC by 1 point remember. He does not need any race-craft lessons from Jenson Button.

Hmm, on reflection the Ferrari was better than the McLaren at some points.

How many penelties did Hamilton needlessly get last year? Pushing people off, repassing after cutting the chicane in Belgium (and for the final time taht one was totally deserved!) and slamming into the back of people waiting at the end of the pit straight. How many mistakes did he make all season. Button was in single figures, Lewis was knocking on the door of triple figures!

Ok that's an exageration.

[Marcia]

CampDavid said:

Wanta996Gotta said:

CampDavid said:

Marcia said:

A911DOM said:

Im sorry, but going back to the original comment:

'Button will be back where he was'

He was in a BAR Honda prior to this season, and it was an awful car languishing at the back of the field.

If he is right at the back again in a Brawn car next year then I will gladly eat my words

Your original comment "if Brawn churn out a cr@p car" he had a better car than Lewis all season,but Lewis continueously outscored him in the 2nd half of the season fact!need i say more.

Not really. The McLaren was probably the fastest car for the back end of the season. In Italy it looked absolutely sublime and through Ascari looked mighty.

Lewis had the best car for every race of 2008, JB didn't this year but wrapped it up with great race craft. Lewis should get this over time, if he does he'll win a few titles. If he doesn't, someone else will

What makes you think Lewis had the best car in 2008? If it was so good, were was Heiki? The Brawn has showed that it was on a different level to the other cars. Lewis as a Rookie lost the WDC by 1 point remember. He does not need any race-craft lessons from Jenson Button.

Hmm, on reflection the Ferrari was better than the McLaren at some points.

How many penalties did Hamilton needlessly get last year? Pushing people off, repassing after cutting the chicane in Belgium (and for the final time taht one was totally deserved!) and slamming into the back of people waiting at the end of the pit straight. How many mistakes did he make all season. Button was in single figures, Lewis was knocking on the door of triple figures!

Ok that's an exageration.

And for the final time, we all know LEWIS HAMILTON won spa 2008 ,or you could go find the relevant thread and needlessly drag it back up

[Wanta996Gotta]

CampDavid said:

Wanta996Gotta said:

CampDavid said:

Marcia said:

A911DOM said:

Im sorry, but going back to the original comment:

'Button will be back where he was'

He was in a BAR Honda prior to this season, and it was an awful car languishing at the back of the field.

If he is right at the back again in a Brawn car next year then I will gladly eat my words

Your original comment "if Brawn churn out a cr@p car" he had a better car than Lewis all season,but Lewis continueously outscored him in the 2nd half of the season fact!need i say more.

Not really. The McLaren was probably the fastest car for the back end of the season. In Italy it looked absolutely sublime and through Ascari looked mighty.

Lewis had the best car for every race of 2008, JB didn't this year but wrapped it up with great race craft. Lewis should get this over time, if he does he'll win a few titles. If he doesn't, someone else will

What makes you think Lewis had the best car in 2008? If it was so good, were was Heiki? The Brawn has showed that it was on a different level to the other cars. Lewis as a Rookie lost the WDC by 1 point remember. He does not need any race-craft lessons from Jenson Button.

Hmm, on reflection the Ferrari was better than the McLaren at some points.

How many penelties did Hamilton needlessly get last year? Pushing people off, repassing after cutting the chicane in Belgium (and for the final time taht one was totally deserved!) and slamming into the back of people waiting at the end of the pit straight. How many mistakes did he make all season. Button was in single figures, Lewis was knocking on the door of triple figures!

Ok that's an exageration.

What nonsense, what have some of these ridiculous FIA penalties got to do with race-craft? We all want to see a good race and thats why Lewis,Kimi and Alonso are always spoke about as racers.

Pushing people off?, Do you mean Massa pushing him off?

Repassing after cutting the chicane in Belgium (and for the final time taht one was totally deserved!) Your the only person that actually thinks that,the SPA decesion is one the worst in F1 history.

Slamming into the back of people waiting at the end of the pit straight. Fair enough, that was a big mistake.

This is how Lewis drives, this is what makes him one of the best. I would rather watch Lewis/Alonso/Kimi fighting in every race than Buttons smooth race-craft anyday.

And even after getting all those penalties - He still won the WDC!!!

Edited by Wanta996Gotta on Tuesday 20th October 17:32

[Evangelion]

CampDavid said:

Slamming into the back of people waiting at the end of the pit straight. Fair enough, that was a big mistake.


Funny then how he managed to steer out of the way of a BMW and hit a Ferrari!

[CampDavid]

Wanta996Gotta said:

CampDavid said:

Wanta996Gotta said:

CampDavid said:

Marcia said:

A911DOM said:

Im sorry, but going back to the original comment:

'Button will be back where he was'

He was in a BAR Honda prior to this season, and it was an awful car languishing at the back of the field.

If he is right at the back again in a Brawn car next year then I will gladly eat my words

Your original comment "if Brawn churn out a cr@p car" he had a better car than Lewis all season,but Lewis continueously outscored him in the 2nd half of the season fact!need i say more.

Not really. The McLaren was probably the fastest car for the back end of the season. In Italy it looked absolutely sublime and through Ascari looked mighty.

Lewis had the best car for every race of 2008, JB didn't this year but wrapped it up with great race craft. Lewis should get this over time, if he does he'll win a few titles. If he doesn't, someone else will

What makes you think Lewis had the best car in 2008? If it was so good, were was Heiki? The Brawn has showed that it was on a different level to the other cars. Lewis as a Rookie lost the WDC by 1 point remember. He does not need any race-craft lessons from Jenson Button.

Hmm, on reflection the Ferrari was better than the McLaren at some points.

How many penelties did Hamilton needlessly get last year? Pushing people off, repassing after cutting the chicane in Belgium (and for the final time taht one was totally deserved!) and slamming into the back of people waiting at the end of the pit straight. How many mistakes did he make all season. Button was in single figures, Lewis was knocking on the door of triple figures!

Ok that's an exageration.

What nonsense, what have some of these ridiculous FIA penalties got to do with race-craft? We all want to see a good race and thats why Lewis,Kimi and Alonso are always spoke about as racers.

Pushing people off?, Do you mean Massa pushing him off?

Repassing after cutting the chicane in Belgium (and for the final time taht one was totally deserved!) Your the only person that actually thinks that,the SPA decesion is one the worst in F1 history.

Slamming into the back of people waiting at the end of the pit straight. Fair enough, that was a big mistake.

This is how Lewis drives, this is what makes him one of the best. I would rather watch Lewis/Alonso/Kimi fighting in every race than Buttons smooth race-craft anyday.

And even after getting all those penalties - He still won the WDC!!!

Edited by Wanta996Gotta on Tuesday 20th October 17:32

I forgot, it was all a big conspirasy. There's no point in debating the penelties handed out to Lewis last year. Everyone on here seems to have some blind spot on him, for example he never gained an advantage for cutting the chicane meaning he could over take on the next corner

Racecraft as a term isn't defined anywhere that I can see. To me it means getting the most out of a race. Lewis' mistakes last year meant he didn't. Button made fewer and took the most he could out of most of the races

[heebeegeetee]

Tyranosawus said:

1. Hamilton was put in the best car / team without earning it (I just can't work out why that happened).

2. At the beginning of this year he had a ste car and guess what, he couldn't drive a slippery stick up a donkeys arse. H

1. You can only come out with a statement like that if you know nothing at all about the sport, which is why you can't work it out.

2. Remind us where Hamilton finished in the first race? I mean before the stupidity kicked in. Where did he finish on track, in a st car?

A good way to judge how good a car is is to see how both drivers fare. For those who want to see JB and LH in the same team, fair enough, but i'd have thought LH and FA in the same team should have told you something. You just need to decide how JB compares to LH. Flav sacked JB and replaced him with FA IIRC, and Flav was rewarded with 2 wdc's.

I understand that dark skinned Brazilians do indeed suffer from prejudice.

On the red button prog we heard Rubens saying that he'd apologised to Lewis for the number of times he pushed him into the wall. I guess that's where Rubens puncture and LH's missing endplate came about.

[RichB]

Tyranosawus said:

All the great world champs ... blah, blah, blah... I don't like him very much as you can tell

You should try not to let your bigotry get in the way of you making a sensible comment on Pistonheads, else you just come over as an idiot.

[Conian]

was it racist?

did the thrower chuck some nuts to signify 'monkey' or just because he had some nuts handy? would it have been more upsetting if a tube a pringles had bounced off his skull?

[Tyranosawus]

Conian said:

was it racist?

did the thrower chuck some nuts to signify 'monkey' or just because he had some nuts handy? would it have been more upsetting if a tube a pringles had bounced off his skull?

Were they Brazil nuts?

Edited by Tyranosawus on Tuesday 20th October 20:25

[Tyranosawus]

heebeegeetee said:

1. You can only come out with a statement like that if you know nothing at all about the sport, which is why you can't work it out.

You can only come up with a statement like that if you are a cluless Mclaren / Hamilton fanboy

[bullies180]

Tyranosawus said:

All the great world champs have had to prove themselves in a crap car, then they were rewarded with a seat in the best car / team to win the championship. Hamilton was put in the best car / team without earning it (I just can't work out why that happened). Even with the best car he still managed to lose at the first attempt and only got the world championship because of some sttery from his bestest buddy. At the beginning of this year he had a ste car and guess what, he couldn't drive a slippery stick up a donkeys arse. He's a complete fraud who should stick to promoting a tacky line of clothing at M&S. I don't like him very much as you can tell

Dude you do realise that all of the above is complete rubbish! There is no rule that you have to "earn" your drive in that sense. What makes you think that Ron and Martin didn't feel he earned it in GP2? Maybe they just wanted to take a chance, and do you know what happened, they got a straight flush! Put your hatred asside, its not healthy!

[Tyranosawus]

bullies180 said:

Tyranosawus said:

All the great world champs have had to prove themselves in a crap car, then they were rewarded with a seat in the best car / team to win the championship. Hamilton was put in the best car / team without earning it (I just can't work out why that happened). Even with the best car he still managed to lose at the first attempt and only got the world championship because of some sttery from his bestest buddy. At the beginning of this year he had a ste car and guess what, he couldn't drive a slippery stick up a donkeys arse. He's a complete fraud who should stick to promoting a tacky line of clothing at M&S. I don't like him very much as you can tell

Dude you do realise that all of the above is complete rubbish! There is no rule that you have to "earn" your drive in that sense. What makes you think that Ron and Martin didn't feel he earned it in GP2? Maybe they just wanted to take a chance, and do you know what happened, they got a straight flush! Put your hatred asside, its not healthy!

Ermmm. I don't know where to start with this one. Let's make it simple. It's not rubbish it's fact. I don't "hate" him I just don't like him. The descision to put him in the primo car / team was not made due to any assesments of his talents (or lack thereof). F1 is in a bad place at the minute and people like him don't help.