RE: Historic Touring Cars Set To Return

[apguy]

Ah Mr Scrivvy.

You'll be pleased to know that my RS still resides in my workshop and a days worth of work (and a few pennies) would bring it back out again. So now my 2 boys are a little older I fully expect some participation in 2011.

I understand you couldn't hack class D and felt the need to swap the XR for something a little meatier

[scrivvy]

I understand you couldn't hack class D and felt the need to swap the XR for something a little meatier
[/quote]
Excellent news, yes got a big beasty now but loved those Group One days, the XR3 will still be out next year though in new hands

Scrivvy

[Al Weyman]

Scrivvy's Toyota is my favourite car of the championship and i am just about to go out into the garage and put the finish touches on my IROC-Z engine to give him some competion next season. Oh and believe it or not the IROC was actually homologated in Europe for racing although GM never actually bothered once the all concouring XR4ti quickly followed by the Cossie came into being. They also withdrew the car from IMSA for the smae reason when the American version of the XR4ti the hit the tracks and wiped the board. BTW has any of you watched Clarkson's Italian Job Christmas DVD? If so you will see what we in the CTCRC do and will soon realise we cater for the Gp1 (or 1.5) side of things very well.

Edited by Al Weyman on Saturday 4th December 10:20

[magic192]

Twincam16 said:

chevronb37 said:

Jerry Can said:

Pints said:

chevronb37 said:

dinkel said:

Eviltad said:

Pints said:

In which year did this beast race?

93/94 off top of my head.

Jan Lammers! They ran the estate because of aerodynamic reasons.

Or marketing!

Whatever the reason, it certainly got the job done: it won races.

it was for marketing purposes but also because TWR knew that in all likelihood they would not win a race in the first year so it did not matter for overall competitiveness.(the body shape)

Best result was third

http://www.supertouring.co.uk/the_cars/volvo_850_e...

I suspect they were helped into the saloon route by the relaxation of the aero rules for 1995 after the Alfa wing homologation debacle of 1994. I had the 1995 Volvo t-shirt - must see if it's in a box at my parents' place...

According to an interview with Tom Walkinshaw in Classic Cars a few years ago, it was entirely by accident. TWR ordered some Volvo 850 bodyshells from Sweden assuming they'd be saloons and they turned out to be estates. Given that it was too late to send them back, they stuck with them and a legend was born.

Funny really - I think that was probably the first proper 5-door high-performance estate, so therefore it kicked off a genre that Volvo has competed with the likes of BMW and Mercedes for ever since, and it all began as a result of an ordering cock-up. Prior to that it was assumed that estates were just for people carting families around and they never bothered putting powerful engines in them.

I thought they'd misread their invitation and thought they were entering in the British Towing Car Championhip....

Awesome photo anyway.

[sprinter1050]

Gregor Marshall said:

Looks like I'll be getting my Droop Snoot Firenza racer out of the garage then!!

Good for you "young man".
Father would be proud- great racer. What about "old Nail" too ? (or wouldn't it get released by the museum?)


I'd love also to hear that lovely XJ12C battling against a thunderous Rover SD1. Aural heaven !

[PH469]

Sorry to be pedantic, but the other car in the 1st pic is Mitsubishi Colt Starion and not a 'Stallion'.
Good to see the old touring cars though, especially the venerable Rover SD1.

[Setch993]

2SPN said:

Setch993 said:

Its a 1980/81 TE71 Toyota Corolla 1.6GT.

The car was rebuilt to be a replica of the winning Toyota-GB / Hughes of Beaconsfield Touring Car as driven by Win Percy in the 1982 championship, and raced in the CSCC Group 1 series in 1994 (when it was the overall winner) and in 1995.

Are you sure it hasn't been raced more recently than that? I raced in CSCC Group 1 2000 to 2007, I'm sure I recognise that Corolla from the earlier years and my car had a Millers VSP sponsor sunstrip on it just like that one.

I still don't quite get the new race series - as someone else as already pointed out, Group 1 Touring Cars can already race with the Classic Saloon Car Club. This just waters entries down even further when all race series/championships need to make up their numbers.

Or is this JUST for original cars with history? Are they really going to find a full grid of them?

Hi
You are quite correct, I understand the car was raced in ? 1998/99 in the CSCC series.



I am a rally man mainly so bought the car to support my post historic GT stage car (as spares) but also toyed with the idea of converting it into a tarmac spec rally car (wouldn't take much). The shell started life as a stage rally car and is so a bit heavy as a racer. So far, all I have done is store it and kept it untouched until I decide what to do...suspect it will remain like this for the forseeable future..

[John D.]

Rouleur said:

wiffy7 said:

Fantastic news! Cant they extend it to 1991? Then i can get my BTTC M3 out to play!!

Plug550 said:

Shame it doesn't run to the Supertouring stuff, as my '94 Laguna is coming along quite nicely...

We need more info on these!!

>>> Readers' Cars, or maybe their own threads in here.

[johntennyson]

Lots of thumbs up here, as well as lots of pics of Supras, BMs and Volvos, which is all well and good...

... but no photos of Alfas?

What's a GTV6 gotta do to get some love around here?

[curlie467]

This sounds excellent, really up my street so i cant wait to get to one of the meets.

[Viana Motor Club]

johntennyson said:

Lots of thumbs up here, as well as lots of pics of Supras, BMs and Volvos, which is all well and good...

... but no photos of Alfas?

What's a GTV6 gotta do to get some love around here?

Hello John:
Please, see our last post, about our event: Alfa GTV6 Gr.A "Imberti"(Driver: Rufino Fontes;Sponsor:"Kispo").

Bye for now,
Viana Motor Clube

Edited by Viana Motor Club on Saturday 4th December 19:59

[denisb]

And all cars will also be eligible for one or more of the various CTCRC series, including Classic Thunder which was, this year, won by this piece of automotive porn.

[DubZeus]

Somebody buy this: http://www.classicheroes.co.uk/cars-for-sale/1745/...

http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc/photo.html

Edited by DubZeus on Saturday 4th December 23:14

[SimonV8ster]

dandarez said:

I watched a lot of the British Saloon Car Championship racing in my time (changed its name to Touring Car in 87 after restructuring of classes).

For me the best period by miles was undoubtedly the early 70s - the era of the unbeatable Bevan/McGovern Imp.
It took the Championship outright 3 years on the trot. Up against the Longman Minis, Broadspeed Escorts, the Yank tank Camaros - Frank Gardner said to Bevan of the Imp 'that ******* car of yours runs like clockwork!' and so on.
The 3-wheeling was just a sheer delight to watch.

The Bevan Imp was simply a fantastic car, with a fantastic engine builder in the late George Bevan (who built the most powerful Imp engines in his garden shed! - the steel bodied 1-litre Imp was repeatedly timed at 136mph down Silverstone Hangar Straight and regularly exceeded 10,000 rpm!), and of course, had a fantastic driver in Bill McGovern. A brilliant home grown team and no need for 'works' assistance, they did it the 3 times on their own.
The car has recently been rebuilt and I can't wait to see it in action again.


Here's Bill at the wheel at Thruxton in 1972 carrying the appropriate No. 1.

I beleive the series was never won back to back before by someone until George won it three times in a row ! I heard he approached Ford and said he could build them a 1000cc engine for their Mk1 Escorts (apparantly a similar weight to the Imp) and they said no so he did it all himself with the Imp and won !

Did you know George ? He use to live down the road from me in Orpington - great bloke, always had a laugh when I went around to see him with my dad. He built a 100bhp screamer for my Davrian road car. When I cooked it once we gave him the engine on a Sunday night and even though he had to send the head away to be machined he phoned up on wednesday and told me it was ready !! Compeletey stripped the engine, rebuilt it and gave it back in about 3 days !! And as you say all done in his shed at the end of his garden.

[stacy]

Sorry Setch, your car is a replica - the series that started this thread is for originals only. In any case if this is Jonathon Denham's car, formerly Simon Dickinson's, I'm fairly sure it ran a steering rack as opposed to the homologated steering box; could be wrong and it might have been another - long time ago now.

On the bright side your car is eligible to race in the Group 1 Touring Car series which has ended the thread (With the CTCRC rather than CSCC*), which is indeed where it raced before. You could do worse than bring it out again.

S.

• The Classic Touring Car Racing Club used to be known as the Classic Saloon Car Club prior to 2001-ish and prior to the existence of the Classic Sports Car Club who then took up the moniker "CSCC". This is the end of the public service announcement.

Setch993 said:

2SPN said:

Setch993 said:

Its a 1980/81 TE71 Toyota Corolla 1.6GT.

The car was rebuilt to be a replica of the winning Toyota-GB / Hughes of Beaconsfield Touring Car as driven by Win Percy in the 1982 championship, and raced in the CSCC Group 1 series in 1994 (when it was the overall winner) and in 1995.

Are you sure it hasn't been raced more recently than that? I raced in CSCC Group 1 2000 to 2007, I'm sure I recognise that Corolla from the earlier years and my car had a Millers VSP sponsor sunstrip on it just like that one.

I still don't quite get the new race series - as someone else as already pointed out, Group 1 Touring Cars can already race with the Classic Saloon Car Club. This just waters entries down even further when all race series/championships need to make up their numbers.

Or is this JUST for original cars with history? Are they really going to find a full grid of them?

Hi
You are quite correct, I understand the car was raced in ? 1998/99 in the CSCC series.



I am a rally man mainly so bought the car to support my post historic GT stage car (as spares) but also toyed with the idea of converting it into a tarmac spec rally car (wouldn't take much). The shell started life as a stage rally car and is so a bit heavy as a racer. So far, all I have done is store it and kept it untouched until I decide what to do...suspect it will remain like this for the forseeable future..

[Setch993]

Hi Stacy

You have a good memory, it was JD's car.
I did make it clear in my opener that it was a replica 'The car was rebuilt to be a replica of the ....'
As it stands now it has a steering box alla original.
If you have any more info about the car I would love to know, please pm me ?

[A Scotsman]

A Ford Galaxy or two wouldn't go amiss. :-)

[Twincam16]

A Scotsman said:

A Ford Galaxy or two wouldn't go amiss. :-)

I really hope you mean Galaxie

[ferg]

Twincam16 said:

A Scotsman said:

A Ford Galaxy or two wouldn't go amiss. :-)

I really hope you mean Galaxie

Perhaps you've strayed in from this thread?

Galaxy? Galaxie?

[HAMERITE]

Just joined, because of the announcement on the revival of original BTCC from 1975 to 1985.

these two cars are about.. No 69 is Chris Hodgetts RS1600i who won group c in 1985 and missed the overall championship by 1 point to Andy Rouse, and the red car.. Richard Longman / Alan Curnow RS1600i.