RE: Ferrari P4/5C Hits The 'Ring
Discussion
1 said:
Napolis said:
Once again the Ring lap times you are mentioning are on a much shorter course than we Race on which is the entire road course plus the GP track.
I think you're getting a little confused. Most people ARE talking about Nordschleife touristenfahrten times, which from your video shows a time of around 7.23 and 9 mins for the full VLN configuration. I'm sure you will agree that neither time is particularly impressive, although its understandable when you learn you are looking to sandbag in the hope of being given less restriction for the 24hr race.Napolis said:
As an aside P 4/5 Competizione is not really a 430 with a body kit. It's a fully engineered car with different aerodynamics, suspension geometry, specially developed tires by our sponsor Pirelli which are of quite different sizes than those used on 430 GTC's, different engine management, unique dampers, different diff/gearbox engineering, etc;etc;etc.
GT cars will all have their own damper and geo settings and the aero comes from the "body kit". So essentially its a 430 with a body kit and after market wheels, that's been re-mapped! 
Napolis said:
As an further aside does anyone think we'd run flat out at a public test or post a video of our best lap?
Doesn't look much like a "public" test day, and as the whole exercise seems to be a huge ego trip, it wouldn't surprise me if you did run flat out and post in on Youtube.Flemke is right regarding the 6.45 target time. I'd be surprised if you could get anywhere near that time without a massive amount of testing. The 599FXX is one of less than half a dozen production based car to break 7 mins.
They can also put their own test driver in your car and have a go.
Settings are not the same as uniquely engineered and manufactured parts.
"Public" vs "Private" is something you can or can't understand can't help you there.
As She stands the GT3 Audi's were a lot faster on the straight. In the turns they weren't. If we don't get more air it will be hard to do more than have a good time which as I've said is fine with me.
We didn't get invited to race at the 24 to win. We got invited to put Bums into the seats. Our FB site gets 1,500,000 post views every 30 days so I'm hopeful a few fans will show up to watch us race.
1 said:
Doesn't look much like a "public" test day,
There are other cars on the circuit. It is a public test day.If Jim had hired the circuit to himself with no other cars on it, then it would be a private test day.
Maybe you're getting confused between a public test day and the touristfahrten.
Napolis said:
1 said:
Napolis said:
Once again the Ring lap times you are mentioning are on a much shorter course than we Race on which is the entire road course plus the GP track.
I think you're getting a little confused. Most people ARE talking about Nordschleife touristenfahrten times, which from your video shows a time of around 7.23 and 9 mins for the full VLN configuration. I'm sure you will agree that neither time is particularly impressive, although its understandable when you learn you are looking to sandbag in the hope of being given less restriction for the 24hr race.Napolis said:
As an aside P 4/5 Competizione is not really a 430 with a body kit. It's a fully engineered car with different aerodynamics, suspension geometry, specially developed tires by our sponsor Pirelli which are of quite different sizes than those used on 430 GTC's, different engine management, unique dampers, different diff/gearbox engineering, etc;etc;etc.
GT cars will all have their own damper and geo settings and the aero comes from the "body kit". So essentially its a 430 with a body kit and after market wheels, that's been re-mapped! Napolis said:
As an further aside does anyone think we'd run flat out at a public test or post a video of our best lap?
Doesn't look much like a "public" test day, and as the whole exercise seems to be a huge ego trip, it wouldn't surprise me if you did run flat out and post in on Youtube.Flemke is right regarding the 6.45 target time. I'd be surprised if you could get anywhere near that time without a massive amount of testing. The 599FXX is one of less than half a dozen production based car to break 7 mins.
They can also put their own test driver in your car and have a go.
Settings are not the same as uniquely engineered and manufactured parts.
"Public" vs "Private" is something you can or can't understand can't help you there.
As She stands the GT3 Audi's were a lot faster on the straight. In the turns they weren't. If we don't get more air it will be hard to do more than have a good time which as I've said is fine with me.
We didn't get invited to race at the 24 to win. We got invited to put Bums into the seats. Our FB site gets 1,500,000 post views every 30 days so I'm hopeful a few fans will show up to watch us race.
I love this project.
Great and true racing initiative!
Life Saab Itch said:
There are other cars on the circuit. It is a public test day.
If Jim had hired the circuit to himself with no other cars on it, then it would be a private test day.
Maybe you're getting confused between a public test day and the touristfahrten.
The poster implied that it wouldn't be safe to run flat out on a test day because it was "public" rather than them having exclusive use of the circuit. My point was that the general public cant just turn up test, you have to have a race licence and therefore have a vauge idea what you're doing, which is why you see a completely different attitude and awareness levels from the other cars and I see no reason they couldn't have been running flat out.If Jim had hired the circuit to himself with no other cars on it, then it would be a private test day.
Maybe you're getting confused between a public test day and the touristfahrten.
1 said:
The poster implied that it wouldn't be safe to run flat out on a test day because it was "public" rather than them having exclusive use of the circuit. My point was that the general public cant just turn up test, you have to have a race licence and therefore have a vauge idea what you're doing, which is why you see a completely different attitude and awareness levels from the other cars and I see no reason they couldn't have been running flat out.
It's still a public test day. I fail to see the confusion there.I think Jim has answered your other worries above.
1 said:
The poster implied that it wouldn't be safe to run flat out on a test day because it was "public" rather than them having exclusive use of the circuit. My point was that the general public cant just turn up test, you have to have a race licence and therefore have a vauge idea what you're doing, which is why you see a completely different attitude and awareness levels from the other cars and I see no reason they couldn't have been running flat out.
I implied no such thing. I clearly stated that it was a Public session that anyone could attend and time. None of the team ran flat out. We timed the other teams they timed us. It was a dance. When we tested at Paul Richard that was a private test session. At that session we were the only ones with a watch. There was a Helicopter that followed us around for a lap or two. Not sure is they were timing us or just looking.I will say that Downforce/lateral grip wise I'm pleased.
Those of you who are going to be at The Ring this weekend for the Race Please stop by and say Hello!
Don1 said:
I can't really blame them for looking!
Good luck for the race - we'll be watching with interest.
Thanks!Good luck for the race - we'll be watching with interest.
Speaking of Paul Ricard here's a video from our test there.
Once again this wasn't our fastest lap.
Note where we lifted. That will give you some idea of the down force we're making. We learned a lot about our engineered dampers here. We remade them after this test and picked up .2 G's for The Ring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwN-h7ykYR0
Life Saab Itch said:
It's still a public test day. I fail to see the confusion there.
I think Jim has answered your other worries above.
No confusion on my part. Although I suspect others could confuse a public test day with a tourist day, where the public drive on the track.I think Jim has answered your other worries above.
I'm still at a loss as to why the fact it wasn't an exclusive closed circuit would prevent them from running flat out? I think I have just misunderstood and his comments were more regarding running the best lap and then posting it on youtube.
Either way its a great project and something any petrol head dreams off. Best of luck in the race. If I get chance I'll come and say hello.
Lots of green eyed monsters appearing here for no other reason it seems than to make themselves feel better by having a pop at the project.
Proper petrolhead endevour, by a true enthusiast, I am sure you are fully aware how many people support your project, they just dont tend to speak up and keep in the background unlike the smart arses.
Best of luck with the racing, and it should be a fun road car once it retires from active duty
Proper petrolhead endevour, by a true enthusiast, I am sure you are fully aware how many people support your project, they just dont tend to speak up and keep in the background unlike the smart arses.
Best of luck with the racing, and it should be a fun road car once it retires from active duty
Why so much negativity on here towards the car & its lap times? Havent the team already said that they dont expect to be the fastest or to win the races they enter?
Surely we should be praising the efforts of the guy in as much as he has spent god knows how much on the car &, unlike some race teams, he doesnt hide behind crappy PR bulls
te.
He doesnt have to post any footage on YouTube or anywhere else for that matter & he doesnt have to post pn PH. However he chooses to do knowing that many people are excited about the car & it's race future.
I for one hope that come the 6 hour race this weekend they do actually win the race & then they can stick two fingers up to those doubters & say, quite simply, we won so f**k you!!
Surely we should be praising the efforts of the guy in as much as he has spent god knows how much on the car &, unlike some race teams, he doesnt hide behind crappy PR bulls
te.He doesnt have to post any footage on YouTube or anywhere else for that matter & he doesnt have to post pn PH. However he chooses to do knowing that many people are excited about the car & it's race future.
I for one hope that come the 6 hour race this weekend they do actually win the race & then they can stick two fingers up to those doubters & say, quite simply, we won so f**k you!!
In addition, i would imagine that these are the first few high speed runs / shake down tests the car has done so i wouldn't have thought there was the need to go balls out just to post a time to keep the negative people happy. The last thing you'd want is to bend it whilst testing, come race day it'll be the best car on the grid.
The car and finished product look simply stunning and i doff my cap for producing the skill and effort needed to make it happen. Finishing will be a massive achievment and if you can enjoy the experience all the way to the finish line i would say mission accomplished.
The car and finished product look simply stunning and i doff my cap for producing the skill and effort needed to make it happen. Finishing will be a massive achievment and if you can enjoy the experience all the way to the finish line i would say mission accomplished.
Napolis said:
As for the Factory they are not supporting us in any way whatsoever.
That's why I took their badging off of the car.
One suspects that they are embarrassed since your car actually makes their entire product range look like it has been battered with a large assortment of ugly sticks. The P4/5C really is the kind of car that Ferrari ought to be making and I wish you every success with the project - it truly is lurvely and deserves a good finish in the N24.That's why I took their badging off of the car.
And to that I would just like to say thanks for getting it built and running it. In a world where high end cars seem to be getting more and more like just another piece of expensive jewelry a project like this is a breath of the proverbial fresh air.
fatboy69 said:
Why so much negativity on here towards the car & its lap times? Havent the team already said that they dont expect to be the fastest or to win the races they enter?
The problem is that Jim is failing to understand why he won't be the fastest or win at the first outing. If he'd approached the specialists on PH before embarking on this mission he'd be at the head of the field. He's wasted an aweful lot of money when he could have just bought an old Saxo and had the guys here prep it for sub 5 minute lapping of the Ring.
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