WARNING: A217 Reigate to Sutton New Average Speed Scameras
Discussion
I just watched the footage coming back the other way and this is as you come off J8 heading Northbound. Cameras & Signs already in place. There is a sign by the very first camera heading down A217 northbound but I couldn't read it.
Cameras & Signs
Just before the current speed camera
Just after Lower Kingswood roundabout
Thats all I can see for now, northbound. Will have another look Southbound tomorrow as I'm going to Crawley.
Cameras & Signs
Just before the current speed camera
Just after Lower Kingswood roundabout
Thats all I can see for now, northbound. Will have another look Southbound tomorrow as I'm going to Crawley.
Edited by ashleyman on Tuesday 10th October 00:07
The cameras are hard to see, the signs are even harder to spot with tree canopy/other signs obscuring and the fact they are positioned so high, only people seeing those will be ones who aren't concentrating on the road. It now appears necessary to drive around staring at the tops of lampposts (rather than concentrating on the road ahead) in case one should either fall over, or more likely have a tiny yellow box attached to its upper reaches! The limit is also largely artificially low anyway for a largely well-sighted dual carriageway with few bends. A perfect storm for lots of people being trapped and I do mean trapped. This is a cynical and borderline covert installation. There is clearly little intention of drawing people's attention to these cameras. It would be easier to countenance if the limit was higher. Nobody wants people doing 80 down this road, but large chunks, if not all, should be 60 (or 50). I'm sure the usual suspects will be along to state that all camera zones are entirely proportionate, obvious and if anyone is caught it is purely their own fault. Definitely not a revenue raising exercise. C'est la vie.
Edited by billzeebub on Wednesday 11th October 22:40
Bang on.
I'm not in anyway advocating this, but their placement (on lampposts rather than dedicated poles) means I wouldn't be surprised if they were targeted and damaged as they're clearly not about reducing speed but rather trapping people as has been said.
Pellet gun sales to that area are likely now on the increase I would bet.
I'm not in anyway advocating this, but their placement (on lampposts rather than dedicated poles) means I wouldn't be surprised if they were targeted and damaged as they're clearly not about reducing speed but rather trapping people as has been said.
Pellet gun sales to that area are likely now on the increase I would bet.
Fully agree with billzeebub and uncool.
What about the temporary 20 MPH limit for the roadworks?
I travel south at about 05:15 in the morning and I (now) stick to the 20 limit even though there is no workforce around. Fortunately it's quiet at that time but a few drivers get annoyed at me (understandably) so I pull over when possible and let them go. I don't know whether the new cameras have been configured for the 20 limit stretch. With modern technology it can probably be done from a mobile app!
If I've inconvenienced anybody you'll know why now.
What about the temporary 20 MPH limit for the roadworks?
I travel south at about 05:15 in the morning and I (now) stick to the 20 limit even though there is no workforce around. Fortunately it's quiet at that time but a few drivers get annoyed at me (understandably) so I pull over when possible and let them go. I don't know whether the new cameras have been configured for the 20 limit stretch. With modern technology it can probably be done from a mobile app!
If I've inconvenienced anybody you'll know why now.
All terribly boring. On the one hand there have been a few nasty fatalities over the years but these were usually as the result of extremely antisocial driving combined with bad road design which I doubt would have been affected by the cameras either way...I say this because I know the circumstances of several incidents in detail. The design of the turning from Burgh Wood onto the A217 turning right in particular is plain dangerous and the scene of terrible roadcraft on a daily basis...and the worst incident...it should either go or be redesigned. These new cameras as others have pointed out are marginally visible at best...they are meant to act as a deterrent.....this only works if you know they are there in the first place.
The late night bikers are a total menace and remove their plates so this will still persist in the summer.
The reason given for the installation is that firstly the old wet film Gastos are obsolete, in fact they can’t even supply many spare parts for them now. Secondly, the police need manpower to man speed traps and anprs along the stretch of road....the idea is that the need for the plod with a van is negated by the extensive digital installation and therefore the mobile units will no longer be needed on this stretch and can be deployed elsewhere..and the fines accruing will quickly pay for the installation.
Classic car drivers like myself who excercise their cars enthusiastically in the right circumstances are reduced to trundling along within the limit whilst the world and their dog shoots past gesticulating furiously....the other day I was burbling through the roadworks at 20 (difficult in a big v8) limit with a clear road behind me and by the time the cones ended I had half the M25 behind me and a couple in their 60s in some horrid Kia revved past me, shaking fists, faces contorted with rage like I had just nicked their life savings and burnt their house down in the same day. Maybe we should have people calming rather than road calming measures?
I drive classics and modern powerful cars...it’s getting to the point that any enjoyment to be had is rapidly receding in the southeast. How ironic that the RAC emancipation run is to be routed down this very road in early November...and how I would love the opportunity to take a powerful Edwardian car and hit the current limit ... possible on the downhill stretch I would think....I wonder if OCR software can identify a veteran car......121 years of progress.....how depressing.
The late night bikers are a total menace and remove their plates so this will still persist in the summer.
The reason given for the installation is that firstly the old wet film Gastos are obsolete, in fact they can’t even supply many spare parts for them now. Secondly, the police need manpower to man speed traps and anprs along the stretch of road....the idea is that the need for the plod with a van is negated by the extensive digital installation and therefore the mobile units will no longer be needed on this stretch and can be deployed elsewhere..and the fines accruing will quickly pay for the installation.
Classic car drivers like myself who excercise their cars enthusiastically in the right circumstances are reduced to trundling along within the limit whilst the world and their dog shoots past gesticulating furiously....the other day I was burbling through the roadworks at 20 (difficult in a big v8) limit with a clear road behind me and by the time the cones ended I had half the M25 behind me and a couple in their 60s in some horrid Kia revved past me, shaking fists, faces contorted with rage like I had just nicked their life savings and burnt their house down in the same day. Maybe we should have people calming rather than road calming measures?
I drive classics and modern powerful cars...it’s getting to the point that any enjoyment to be had is rapidly receding in the southeast. How ironic that the RAC emancipation run is to be routed down this very road in early November...and how I would love the opportunity to take a powerful Edwardian car and hit the current limit ... possible on the downhill stretch I would think....I wonder if OCR software can identify a veteran car......121 years of progress.....how depressing.
Captain Chaos said:
The design of the turning from Burgh Wood onto the A217 turning right in particular is plain dangerous and the scene of terrible roadcraft on a daily basis...and the worst incident...it should either go or be redesigned.
Out of curiosity, what do you think is wrong with it ? I've never had any issues with it, to me its a wide T-juntion with 2 lanes into 2 and plenty of delay on the lights to avoid any red runners northbound (which isn't really an issue anyway as the southbound right turners from the A217 into the A240 go after the northbound changes to red).Speed 3 said:
Out of curiosity, what do you think is wrong with it ? I've never had any issues with it, to me its a wide T-juntion with 2 lanes into 2 and plenty of delay on the lights to avoid any red runners northbound (which isn't really an issue anyway as the southbound right turners from the A217 into the A240 go after the northbound changes to red).
Methinks you are not talking about Burgh Wood but the junction with Fir tree road and the mad mile. Burgh Wood on the other hand has no traffic lights and crosses over through a gap in the carriageway should you venture across to turn right heading up towards Romans. Captain Chaos said:
Speed 3 said:
Out of curiosity, what do you think is wrong with it ? I've never had any issues with it, to me its a wide T-juntion with 2 lanes into 2 and plenty of delay on the lights to avoid any red runners northbound (which isn't really an issue anyway as the southbound right turners from the A217 into the A240 go after the northbound changes to red).
Methinks you are not talking about Burgh Wood but the junction with Fir tree road and the mad mile. Burgh Wood on the other hand has no traffic lights and crosses over through a gap in the carriageway should you venture across to turn right heading up towards Romans. 
fatboy18 said:
I Have not heard anything from anyone.
who monitors these? is it Reigate and Banstead council, Surrey County council, the Police or a private company?
There is nothing useful about it online as to when they go live or who's running them. No local newspapers have covered it recently either.who monitors these? is it Reigate and Banstead council, Surrey County council, the Police or a private company?
The best I could find was this article from 2016 that's been reposted to a few different sites.
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/first-...
This article from DriveSmart:
https://www.drivesmartsurrey.org.uk/i-am-worried-a...
Speed 3 said:
Captain Chaos said:
Speed 3 said:
Out of curiosity, what do you think is wrong with it ? I've never had any issues with it, to me its a wide T-juntion with 2 lanes into 2 and plenty of delay on the lights to avoid any red runners northbound (which isn't really an issue anyway as the southbound right turners from the A217 into the A240 go after the northbound changes to red).
Methinks you are not talking about Burgh Wood but the junction with Fir tree road and the mad mile. Burgh Wood on the other hand has no traffic lights and crosses over through a gap in the carriageway should you venture across to turn right heading up towards Romans. http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/banste...
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