WARNING: A217 Reigate to Sutton New Average Speed Scameras
Discussion
It's certainly going to catch a lot of people who pass through to/from the motorway.
Agree that we can expect more shunts as the traffic starts to bunch up and people drive too close and fail to understand why others are seemingly going so slow on a dual carriageway.
Plus there'll also be the 35mph crowd to look out for.. terrified that if they hit 40 they'll get a ticket. The sort who brake at any speed for Gatso speed cameras that are facing the other way. Frequently seen on the A217 at Burgh Heath..
A more reasonable limit of at least 50mph in some sections would be safer with the cameras monitoring anyone speeding.
The signposting of the new cameras on lampposts is horrendous unless some additional signage is to be added, which will probably happen when they realise how many people are being caught breaking the limit.
Agree that we can expect more shunts as the traffic starts to bunch up and people drive too close and fail to understand why others are seemingly going so slow on a dual carriageway.
Plus there'll also be the 35mph crowd to look out for.. terrified that if they hit 40 they'll get a ticket. The sort who brake at any speed for Gatso speed cameras that are facing the other way. Frequently seen on the A217 at Burgh Heath..
A more reasonable limit of at least 50mph in some sections would be safer with the cameras monitoring anyone speeding.
The signposting of the new cameras on lampposts is horrendous unless some additional signage is to be added, which will probably happen when they realise how many people are being caught breaking the limit.
Edited by Scoobysaurus on Wednesday 25th October 22:34
This is just another money grabbing idea for a bankrupt council, police force etc. The M25 is pretty much covered with average traps now - the M3 is pointless. Total enforcement or pay up basically. If they were truly bothered about saving lives, why do they still keep allowing cars to be built which are capable of speeds well in excess of 140mph!! Im not an advocate of doing this, but they could simply restrict all cars to a maximum limit of 70. End of. My problem with all of this, is the speed isn't the sole issue, its usually the hopeless tosser behind the wheel. You can kill someone at 20 if your a complete berk, which many are. Where did the tolerance go, for making an informed decision in a situation to avoid a crash rather than just do nothing because your in fear of going over the limit by 1 mph. Attitudes and behaviours on the road now are a bigger issue - massive aggression, and selfish moves (Cut in on the queues at the last minute - indicate and manoeuvre - (no mirror), lane discipline etc etc. Once they are put up, they will stay up as cash machine for a cash strapped local authority - the public will have no voice or say in the matter. How to win peoples hearts and minds. Install cameras everywhere - I believe the UK has the most CCTV of any country in the world. Civil liberties my arse!
What is currently a joke is the dual carriageway down to one lane due to roadworks, then even though the roadworks are barriered off they have put up a temporary speed limit of 20mph!
So you can drive by Motorway roadworks at 50mph but here they have reduced a 40mph Dual carriageway to 20mph!
A major arterial road to South London!
Joke Pathetic.
So Sorry everyone, if you're stuck behind me while I do exactly 20mph Blame the Council nimbys.
So you can drive by Motorway roadworks at 50mph but here they have reduced a 40mph Dual carriageway to 20mph!
A major arterial road to South London!
Joke Pathetic.
So Sorry everyone, if you're stuck behind me while I do exactly 20mph Blame the Council nimbys.
I just drove down from Burgh Heath. Did 20 in the 20. Pulled left when possible to let every blast past.
Resumed blocking the road at 20 through the final bit past the old Gatso up to the traffic lights. Whilst going 20 I had some muppet in an Audi behind me giving it all the flashing headlights etc...
Lights also down to 1 lane because guys are there drilling into the floor.
Resumed normal service and smashed down the mad mile. So did he still flashing away. Idiot.
What really annoyed me is it’s now a single one 30 going Southbound too and there was the 30 sign that lit up when I was doing 30 to say slow down. Then behind it the works van with a speed camera sign printed in the back window. Then on the other side going Northbound there was another retina burning sign that lit up to say 20 as I drove pat AT 20. Yeah. Thanks for that.
I don’t even blame the guy in the Audi for being a cock because it IS annoying. But I reckon it’s going to backfire and the council will either be forced to turn it off or raise the limit.
Resumed blocking the road at 20 through the final bit past the old Gatso up to the traffic lights. Whilst going 20 I had some muppet in an Audi behind me giving it all the flashing headlights etc...
Lights also down to 1 lane because guys are there drilling into the floor.
Resumed normal service and smashed down the mad mile. So did he still flashing away. Idiot.
What really annoyed me is it’s now a single one 30 going Southbound too and there was the 30 sign that lit up when I was doing 30 to say slow down. Then behind it the works van with a speed camera sign printed in the back window. Then on the other side going Northbound there was another retina burning sign that lit up to say 20 as I drove pat AT 20. Yeah. Thanks for that.
I don’t even blame the guy in the Audi for being a cock because it IS annoying. But I reckon it’s going to backfire and the council will either be forced to turn it off or raise the limit.
Edited by ashleyman on Wednesday 25th October 23:14
You know how they've made Northbound 20 mph because of roadworks. Well, would anyone like to guess where the guys were actually working? Were they in the section with the 20 speed reduction? Oh no, They were in the 40 mph part with no speed reduction.
Was any work happening in the 20 section? Nah!
Anyway, this is Southbound, now 1 lane and 30.
Fake Camera Van
Was any work happening in the 20 section? Nah!
Anyway, this is Southbound, now 1 lane and 30.
Fake Camera Van
The thing that really gets me is the pre-occupation with speed and the setting of ridiculously low limits as a revenue raiser. Unfortunately these cameras are one dimensional and cannot spot anything other than a number. If we as a country invested the money in traffic police officers it would be more to the good of the community as a whole. Officers are needed to spot dangerous driving, undertaking, lane hogging, mobile phones, seat belts, tailgating, illegal tints, illegal number plates, poor condition vehicles, wrong plates on wrong vehicles, suspicious behaviour, etc. If we had more officers to enforce the roads and look for the signs of illegality rather than these ridiculous blanket camera zones the roads would be much safer and less stressful for all law abiding citizens. The fines issued would also quickly pay for many hundreds of extra traffic officers (judged by the ridiculousness I see every day on the road that's goes largely unchecked)
Edited by billzeebub on Saturday 28th October 20:34
dcb said:
The Brits like to over control motoring. Being forced to drive slowly isn't the same as driving
carefully, a point carefully ignored when there is about £100 million in speeding fines to be
collected every year.
I chatted to a few locals the other day who claimed to be well informed. They claim
that the limit went from 70 mph to 40 mph in a few stages. Is this true ?
They also claimed that folks going west bound on the M25 would often be doing
silly speeds onto the Northbound A217. This would sound credible if the junction
was free flowing, but it isn't, it's got traffic lights on it, so almost all traffic has to stop.
As a few other posters have said, another good road ruined. With the M25 all cameras
and the M23 soon to be, even more motoring misery spending a lot of time looking
at the speedo and not enough time looking outside the windows must result.
Have you got a source for this? I can't see anything online that says that this is coming? If true, do you know when?carefully, a point carefully ignored when there is about £100 million in speeding fines to be
collected every year.
I chatted to a few locals the other day who claimed to be well informed. They claim
that the limit went from 70 mph to 40 mph in a few stages. Is this true ?
They also claimed that folks going west bound on the M25 would often be doing
silly speeds onto the Northbound A217. This would sound credible if the junction
was free flowing, but it isn't, it's got traffic lights on it, so almost all traffic has to stop.
As a few other posters have said, another good road ruined. With the M25 all cameras
and the M23 soon to be, even more motoring misery spending a lot of time looking
at the speedo and not enough time looking outside the windows must result.
maccas99 said:
Have you got a source for this? I can't see anything online that says that this is coming? If true, do you know when?
From the horses mouth'Smart Motorway' = cameras.
Cretins! (not you, the planners!)
Uncool said:
Indeed. When buying a new car, who cares how many horsepowers it has ?Surely, "Has it got cruise control ?" is a better question.
A point i made earlier. Is there any point in a 400bhp monster that can break the speed limit in 6 seconds. More to the point, why do the authorities allow them to be sold in the uk if they are determined to press ahead with a totalitarian regime. Better off buying an old citroen 2cv and go full chat at 70mph. Much more fun!!! Oh forgot- that should be crushed as the tree huggers think they ruin the air.
I understand that Average Speed Cameras work by clocking you past a camera at X time, then past another at Y time and calculating the speed & distance between them. But what I don't understand is how that's possible if there isn't a camera on every junction.
For example
If you come out of Garratts Lane and go left past Romans, you won't get picked up by a camera until Chipstead Road.
Also, if you come out of Tattenham Way and right you won't get picked up until you go past Aberdour School.
Similarly there's lots of junctions such as Shelvers Way, Copleigh Drive and Waterhouse Lane where you can exit the A217 but there's no cameras to see you leave.
Doesn't make any sense at all. Also found most people have now spotted the cameras and are sitting at 36. GREAT!
For example
If you come out of Garratts Lane and go left past Romans, you won't get picked up by a camera until Chipstead Road.
Also, if you come out of Tattenham Way and right you won't get picked up until you go past Aberdour School.
Similarly there's lots of junctions such as Shelvers Way, Copleigh Drive and Waterhouse Lane where you can exit the A217 but there's no cameras to see you leave.
Doesn't make any sense at all. Also found most people have now spotted the cameras and are sitting at 36. GREAT!
Deeman said:
A point i made earlier. Is there any point in a 400bhp monster that can break the speed limit in 6 seconds. More to the point, why do the authorities allow them to be sold in the uk if they are determined to press ahead with a totalitarian regime. Better off buying an old citroen 2cv and go full chat at 70mph. Much more fun!!! Oh forgot- that should be crushed as the tree huggers think they ruin the air.
Because we are part of Europe 
Ferrari and Lamborghini sell cars to us as well as the Gulf states. Some roads in Germany do not have a speed limit.Its only over here where nimbys keep lobbying the local authorities to reduce limits.
Look at many inner roads in London, speed ramps everywhere, limits down to 20mph in many, many roads.
We are going backwards as a motoring nation and the road infrastructure is clogged
If that london mayor has his way the next thing you will see is people walking in front of a car with a red flag! And sadly the media and councils blindly follow the same ideas.
Nowhere have I seen a lobbying group against this so called reducing of speed!
Edited by fatboy18 on Tuesday 31st October 08:14
Uncool said:
Thanks for that, forgot to change my search to Smart Motorways! I can't see the justification for the M23 stretch, the only issue is the queue for Gatwick occasionally which could be sorted by some other means. This is just an excuse to spend their budget and expand the speed camera network, sorry, Smart Motorway network.The Mad Monk said:
fatboy18 said:
Have to agree with Captain Chaos, how the hell this is called motoring progress is beyond me
Well, perhaps I agree with posters various, but how the hell this is called a scam is beyond me!These people sit around desks and work out schemes on how to raise revenue. It seems to me these people can do what they like when it comes to roads and there is not one group who stand up against it!
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