Essex Highways pothole policy
Discussion
Council does not have the funds to fix all the potholes. RFL does not go back into the roads either.
Yes pot holes should be filled in, but it can't happen until someone stumps up the cash, but suggest a council tax increase and you get uproar.
So if the 'white heat of commerce' will solve it, go and pay for a private company to fix the roads yourself. I'm sure the council won't object.
Its not a simple problem so simply arguing with the wrong person over the phone isn't going to solve it. Speak to your Councillor about how funds are being allocated and demand to know why its not on the roads.
Yes pot holes should be filled in, but it can't happen until someone stumps up the cash, but suggest a council tax increase and you get uproar.
So if the 'white heat of commerce' will solve it, go and pay for a private company to fix the roads yourself. I'm sure the council won't object.
Its not a simple problem so simply arguing with the wrong person over the phone isn't going to solve it. Speak to your Councillor about how funds are being allocated and demand to know why its not on the roads.
Mike335i said:
Council does not have the funds to fix all the potholes. RFL does not go back into the roads either.
Yes pot holes should be filled in, but it can't happen until someone stumps up the cash, but suggest a council tax increase and you get uproar.
So if the 'white heat of commerce' will solve it, go and pay for a private company to fix the roads yourself. I'm sure the council won't object.
Its not a simple problem so simply arguing with the wrong person over the phone isn't going to solve it. Speak to your Councillor about how funds are being allocated and demand to know why its not on the roads.
Well put. I know nothing specifically, but this sounds spot on.Yes pot holes should be filled in, but it can't happen until someone stumps up the cash, but suggest a council tax increase and you get uproar.
So if the 'white heat of commerce' will solve it, go and pay for a private company to fix the roads yourself. I'm sure the council won't object.
Its not a simple problem so simply arguing with the wrong person over the phone isn't going to solve it. Speak to your Councillor about how funds are being allocated and demand to know why its not on the roads.
Mike335i said:
Council does not have the funds to fix all the potholes. RFL does not go back into the roads either.
Yes pot holes should be filled in, but it can't happen until someone stumps up the cash, but suggest a council tax increase and you get uproar.
So if the 'white heat of commerce' will solve it, go and pay for a private company to fix the roads yourself. I'm sure the council won't object.
Its not a simple problem so simply arguing with the wrong person over the phone isn't going to solve it. Speak to your Councillor about how funds are being allocated and demand to know why its not on the roads.
Er Essex are raising council tax (again), with part of the increase specifically to fix potholes.. Yes pot holes should be filled in, but it can't happen until someone stumps up the cash, but suggest a council tax increase and you get uproar.
So if the 'white heat of commerce' will solve it, go and pay for a private company to fix the roads yourself. I'm sure the council won't object.
Its not a simple problem so simply arguing with the wrong person over the phone isn't going to solve it. Speak to your Councillor about how funds are being allocated and demand to know why its not on the roads.
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/15829421.Here_s...
I didn't 'argue' with the numpty, merely attempted (very patiently) to get information from him or propose workarounds. I hadn't realised the only word in his vocabulary was 'no'.
However, two days I was passing the offending spot and to my great surprise there was a Ringworm Jacobs lorry and crew repairing the road!
I wondered whether this was because of my communication, or because Mr No had been beseiged with calls and finally decided to take action, or because the local Ringworm Jacobs depot is 100 yards from the pothole and the manager of said facility was tired of smashing his nearside wheels into it.
Either way, it is interesting to reflect that less than two weeks after Essex CC Highways said they had no idea when the pothole would be repaired, it was repaired.
The repair team however didn't repair the other pothole 200 yards along, which means they will have to send the lorry and crew out again specially sometime in the future which will cost more than if they'd done it at the same time, but on the bright side, at least one is done and so drivers only have one more to try to avoid.
On a technical note, I received an e-mail from ECC - rather more helpful than Mr No - which said: 'A factor which can make potholes more prevalent as this time of year is due to salting of the roads, salt can be very destructive to the road surface'. Is that right? Any tarmac experts in today?
However, two days I was passing the offending spot and to my great surprise there was a Ringworm Jacobs lorry and crew repairing the road!
I wondered whether this was because of my communication, or because Mr No had been beseiged with calls and finally decided to take action, or because the local Ringworm Jacobs depot is 100 yards from the pothole and the manager of said facility was tired of smashing his nearside wheels into it.
Either way, it is interesting to reflect that less than two weeks after Essex CC Highways said they had no idea when the pothole would be repaired, it was repaired.
The repair team however didn't repair the other pothole 200 yards along, which means they will have to send the lorry and crew out again specially sometime in the future which will cost more than if they'd done it at the same time, but on the bright side, at least one is done and so drivers only have one more to try to avoid.
On a technical note, I received an e-mail from ECC - rather more helpful than Mr No - which said: 'A factor which can make potholes more prevalent as this time of year is due to salting of the roads, salt can be very destructive to the road surface'. Is that right? Any tarmac experts in today?
Simpo Two said:
I didn't 'argue' with the numpty, merely attempted (very patiently) to get information from him or propose workarounds. I hadn't realised the only word in his vocabulary was 'no'.
However, two days I was passing the offending spot and to my great surprise there was a Ringworm Jacobs lorry and crew repairing the road!
I wondered whether this was because of my communication, or because Mr No had been beseiged with calls and finally decided to take action, or because the local Ringworm Jacobs depot is 100 yards from the pothole and the manager of said facility was tired of smashing his nearside wheels into it.
Either way, it is interesting to reflect that less than two weeks after Essex CC Highways said they had no idea when the pothole would be repaired, it was repaired.
The repair team however didn't repair the other pothole 200 yards along, which means they will have to send the lorry and crew out again specially sometime in the future which will cost more than if they'd done it at the same time, but on the bright side, at least one is done and so drivers only have one more to try to avoid.
On a technical note, I received an e-mail from ECC - rather more helpful than Mr No - which said: 'A factor which can make potholes more prevalent as this time of year is due to salting of the roads, salt can be very destructive to the road surface'. Is that right? Any tarmac experts in today?
Wasn't a pothole in Ardleigh near the gritter depot, was it? They've re-repaired the one they bodged up a month or so ago, but not the half dozen near the crossroads..However, two days I was passing the offending spot and to my great surprise there was a Ringworm Jacobs lorry and crew repairing the road!
I wondered whether this was because of my communication, or because Mr No had been beseiged with calls and finally decided to take action, or because the local Ringworm Jacobs depot is 100 yards from the pothole and the manager of said facility was tired of smashing his nearside wheels into it.
Either way, it is interesting to reflect that less than two weeks after Essex CC Highways said they had no idea when the pothole would be repaired, it was repaired.
The repair team however didn't repair the other pothole 200 yards along, which means they will have to send the lorry and crew out again specially sometime in the future which will cost more than if they'd done it at the same time, but on the bright side, at least one is done and so drivers only have one more to try to avoid.
On a technical note, I received an e-mail from ECC - rather more helpful than Mr No - which said: 'A factor which can make potholes more prevalent as this time of year is due to salting of the roads, salt can be very destructive to the road surface'. Is that right? Any tarmac experts in today?
I'd suggest that potholes are more of a national problem. Locally I've been in contact with my county councilor over a section of road, where potholes seem to get ignored. Last year pre-election, I brought one to her attention. I noticed that this pothole had been marked up, presumably for attention. Months went by, and the marking paint wore off, and I again brought this to her attention, along with a photo and measurements. POTHOLE-MORE LINE A BABY SINK HOLE. But today, bored, I strayed onto BBC2, Daily politics, where I heard a question on PMQ about the state of potholed roads in a northern constituency. OK-it could have been an engineered political question by one of Corbyn's underlings, but the response makes me wonder if those living in a certain street in SW1A venture on to roads outside the capitol.
A guy who inspects repairs done to roads told me when I asked if he was marking for pot-hole repairs on our road, if you need to claim from the council for damage to your vehicle then don't under any circumstances refer to it as a 'pot-hole'. It is a 'defect' because there is a definitive description of a 'pot-hole' and if the hole in question does not fit the criteria then the claim will not be valid. Allways refer to the hole as a 'Defect'. (Staffs Moorlands area) and there are feckin' hundreds of defects 
Edited by monty999 on Friday 2nd March 18:27
s of the highest order and basically don't give two fSimpo Two said:
On a technical note, I received an e-mail from ECC - rather more helpful than Mr No - which said: 'A factor which can make potholes more prevalent as this time of year is due to salting of the roads, salt can be very destructive to the road surface'. Is that right? Any tarmac experts in today?
Salt doesn't affect tarmac it's the freeze thaw action that causes a problem at this time of year. Essentially trapped moisture in the tarmac will freeze and expand. If the tarmac is already getting towards the end of its life in terms of the bitumen oxidising and hardening, it will lose its elastic properties and be unable to accommodate the movement caused by the ice expanding in the material.I could go on about why potholes form, why it is entirely predictable when and where they'll form from a visual survey and why fixing them is largely a waste of public money. If your local school had massive structural cracks and was falling down, would wallpapering over the cracks and hoping they'll go away be an acceptable solution?
We had a string of potholes on the road outside my work.
The council sent some men out to "fix" the holes which, judging by the state of the road, they achieved by standing at the side of the road and flinging shovels full of tarmac in the general direction of the hole and waiting for a passing car to squash the tarmac in, then wiped their hands on their overalls and went back to the depot for a "well earned" brew.
The council sent some men out to "fix" the holes which, judging by the state of the road, they achieved by standing at the side of the road and flinging shovels full of tarmac in the general direction of the hole and waiting for a passing car to squash the tarmac in, then wiped their hands on their overalls and went back to the depot for a "well earned" brew.
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