Roadside rubbish... any HE staff here?
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DaveTheRave87 said:
Yes, the Tory party are making people throw rubbish out of their windows.
Indirectly we are still reaping the Thatcher era mindset . It created the 'me first, screw the rest', private good , public bad , 'no such thing as society ' mindset . Its legacy still permeates so much public discourse , especially on PH . DaveTheRave87 said:
Krikkit said:
One of the only things about the US prison system they get right is using them for cheap labour - we should do the same and have people out picking litter etc.
The root cause is simple - selfish people and cash strapped councils thanks to Tory austerity.
Yes, the Tory party are making people throw rubbish out of their windows.The root cause is simple - selfish people and cash strapped councils thanks to Tory austerity.
We live along a quiet country lane. It is a bit of a cut through for some trade vans as there are a couple of small industrial estates in the area. Litter consisting of fast food wrappers and drinks containers are usually the most common crap discarded, plus the odd can of lager. Also get the odd fly tipping (mattresses or other household items). The road runs through two council jurisdictions, York and Hambleton. The part looked after by Hambleton is kept clear of litter/fly tipping regularly, helped by their website service where you can pin point where there has been littering, they usually deal with it within days. The York side is a bit different, you can send an email or leave a voice message and they turn up every few months if they feel like it. There was a friendly older chap who used to go litter picking most days along the lane but havent seen him now for over a year sadly.
Few years back when living in Leeds I watched a car in front of me pull up on the verge of a main road (in countryside) and the child (maybe 10 years old) in the front passenger seat then opened the door and threw/pushed out a load of rubbish from the footwell. There was plenty of traffic about but the adult in the car didn’t seem to care.
Few years back when living in Leeds I watched a car in front of me pull up on the verge of a main road (in countryside) and the child (maybe 10 years old) in the front passenger seat then opened the door and threw/pushed out a load of rubbish from the footwell. There was plenty of traffic about but the adult in the car didn’t seem to care.
M1AGM said:
Few years back when living in Leeds I watched a car in front of me pull up on the verge of a main road (in countryside) and the child (maybe 10 years old) in the front passenger seat then opened the door and threw/pushed out a load of rubbish from the footwell. There was plenty of traffic about but the adult in the car didn’t seem to care.
I'd love to be able to spot someone doing just that and be in a position to then stealthily follow them to their destination or ideally their home address. Then once the car is parked up and unattended do as much damage as possible to it, keying the paintwork, slashing the tyres etc and ideally leaving a note under the windscreen wiper explaining the reason.Krikkit said:
That's not what I was saying - austerity slashing council budgets means they can't afford to pick the litter the selfish people throw away.
Funny how the austerity doesn't seem to have impacted the council budgets when it comes to council execs pay and gold plated pensions, or other areas of council spending such as my local council recently spending tens of thousands buying tickets for various local attractions at full face value to hand out to the usual recipients of free stuff.Dylano said:
M1AGM said:
Few years back when living in Leeds I watched a car in front of me pull up on the verge of a main road (in countryside) and the child (maybe 10 years old) in the front passenger seat then opened the door and threw/pushed out a load of rubbish from the footwell. There was plenty of traffic about but the adult in the car didn’t seem to care.
I'd love to be able to spot someone doing just that and be in a position to then stealthily follow them to their destination or ideally their home address. Then once the car is parked up and unattended do as much damage as possible to it, keying the paintwork, slashing the tyres etc and ideally leaving a note under the windscreen wiper explaining the reason.A few weeks ago I was behind a driveway company transit van and saw the driver chuck the remains of his McDonalds dinner out the window, and I guess the remains of the passenger’s dinner too as there was quite a lot of it, he then turned off into a static home park (I presume where he lives as it was end of the day). As I also had the numberplate I looked up reporting the offence but found that you cannot do it anonymously and would be required to attend court should it go that far (when I looked up the company it only existed on facebook and I suspect they are gypsies) so I didn’t want to get into that. If you fancy going round be my guest.
M1AGM said:
On that occasion I slowed down as I came up next to the vehicle and looked across and got a four letter string of expletives response from the driver.
A few weeks ago I was behind a driveway company transit van and saw the driver chuck the remains of his McDonalds dinner out the window, and I guess the remains of the passenger’s dinner too as there was quite a lot of it, he then turned off into a static home park (I presume where he lives as it was end of the day). As I also had the numberplate I looked up reporting the offence but found that you cannot do it anonymously and would be required to attend court should it go that far (when I looked up the company it only existed on facebook and I suspect they are gypsies) so I didn’t want to get into that. If you fancy going round be my guest.
Exactly.A few weeks ago I was behind a driveway company transit van and saw the driver chuck the remains of his McDonalds dinner out the window, and I guess the remains of the passenger’s dinner too as there was quite a lot of it, he then turned off into a static home park (I presume where he lives as it was end of the day). As I also had the numberplate I looked up reporting the offence but found that you cannot do it anonymously and would be required to attend court should it go that far (when I looked up the company it only existed on facebook and I suspect they are gypsies) so I didn’t want to get into that. If you fancy going round be my guest.
It would be a complete waste of time confronting someone like that face to face at the time, such degenerate sub-human scum are never going to acknowledge what they're doing is unacceptable, hence why I'd prefer to play the long game if at all possible and educate them as to the error of ways by hitting them in the pocket.
As for reporting them I imagine the figures for people getting succesfully prosecuted for littering via being reported by a member of the public are infinitesimally small.
Dylano said:
Krikkit said:
That's not what I was saying - austerity slashing council budgets means they can't afford to pick the litter the selfish people throw away.
Funny how the austerity doesn't seem to have impacted the council budgets when it comes to council execs pay and gold plated pensions, or other areas of council spending such as my local council recently spending tens of thousands buying tickets for various local attractions at full face value to hand out to the usual recipients of free stuff.
After some years of reading anonymously (lost access to the account and email I had on here years ago), I signed back up after reading this thread and the relief that others feel as angry about this issue as I do.
It's not just the roadsides and verges that are the problem, it's everywhere. I live in one of the nicer parts of my city, sure it's quite central so there's always going to be less sense of ownership than slightly more suburban areas, but still you can't walk anywhere and be more than 5 metres from a piece of litter, usually a discarded energy drinks bottle or lager can. Everyone seems to be blind to it, like they were when I visited India and was shocked at everyone just walking over a carpet of discarded plastic like it was supposed to be there.
I'm sure council cutbacks haven't helped (many urban residential streets haven't been swept in months, they're still shoe-deep in last autumn's leaf mulch, so there's the broken windows theory and all that), but it boils my piss when you read comments on any news article about the environment or litter, and the mouth-breathers are blaming the council for it. Well, the council didn't put the litter there, did they? The odd over-flowing rubbish bin is a drop in the ocean compared to the volume of litter that comes directly from the hands of the scum. How can people think that a cash-strapped council should go round clearing up after others?
It's really noticeable after spending time abroad. I used to think the US was a dirty country, and for sure there's a lot of plastic bottles by the sides of the highways and parts of major cities are as dirty as they are dangerous, but in suburbia and small-town America, pavements and kerbsides and the roads themselves are so clean. It's the same in Europe - my fiancée is Hungarian and having spent time there, there is a genuine sense of collective responsibility for keeping the streets clean, and any drinks bottles, cans, or food packaging lying around is notable for being the exception rather than the norm. Even smokers go out of their way to stub their cigarettes out in the dedicated receptacles on the lids of the bins, rather than just chucking them on the ground. Yes you still find some things fly-tipped down country lanes and it's not perfect, but amongst the vast vast majority of the normal population that you interact with, walk past, and drive past every day, it's completely socially unacceptable to litter.
Why does the UK have to be like this?
It's not just the roadsides and verges that are the problem, it's everywhere. I live in one of the nicer parts of my city, sure it's quite central so there's always going to be less sense of ownership than slightly more suburban areas, but still you can't walk anywhere and be more than 5 metres from a piece of litter, usually a discarded energy drinks bottle or lager can. Everyone seems to be blind to it, like they were when I visited India and was shocked at everyone just walking over a carpet of discarded plastic like it was supposed to be there.
I'm sure council cutbacks haven't helped (many urban residential streets haven't been swept in months, they're still shoe-deep in last autumn's leaf mulch, so there's the broken windows theory and all that), but it boils my piss when you read comments on any news article about the environment or litter, and the mouth-breathers are blaming the council for it. Well, the council didn't put the litter there, did they? The odd over-flowing rubbish bin is a drop in the ocean compared to the volume of litter that comes directly from the hands of the scum. How can people think that a cash-strapped council should go round clearing up after others?
It's really noticeable after spending time abroad. I used to think the US was a dirty country, and for sure there's a lot of plastic bottles by the sides of the highways and parts of major cities are as dirty as they are dangerous, but in suburbia and small-town America, pavements and kerbsides and the roads themselves are so clean. It's the same in Europe - my fiancée is Hungarian and having spent time there, there is a genuine sense of collective responsibility for keeping the streets clean, and any drinks bottles, cans, or food packaging lying around is notable for being the exception rather than the norm. Even smokers go out of their way to stub their cigarettes out in the dedicated receptacles on the lids of the bins, rather than just chucking them on the ground. Yes you still find some things fly-tipped down country lanes and it's not perfect, but amongst the vast vast majority of the normal population that you interact with, walk past, and drive past every day, it's completely socially unacceptable to litter.
Why does the UK have to be like this?
In my area its largely due to the tourists, within 24 hours of the start of any bank holiday weekend or school half term the roadside litter increases exponentially.
I can't understand why someone would go to the time, trouble and expense of travelling to visit and stay somewhere because they apparently value and appreciate the scenery of that place only to then dump their s
t at the roadside or in the woodland/beach car parks and laybys when they get there.
I can't understand why someone would go to the time, trouble and expense of travelling to visit and stay somewhere because they apparently value and appreciate the scenery of that place only to then dump their s
t at the roadside or in the woodland/beach car parks and laybys when they get there.Where I live -North Yorkshire - some of the honey pots attract the undesirable sort of tourist who leave their lager cans , fast food junk and less legal stuff. But away from the obvious places, and off season , it is bloody local knuckle draggers . The farmers may blame the walkers and cyclists ( principally because they are outsiders and thus to be despised ) but the reality , is thick locals who treat verges as handy spots for Greggs wrappers and Monster Energy cans
coppice said:
Where I live -North Yorkshire - some of the honey pots attract the undesirable sort of tourist who leave their lager cans , fast food junk and less legal stuff. But away from the obvious places, and off season , it is bloody local knuckle draggers . The farmers may blame the walkers and cyclists ( principally because they are outsiders and thus to be despised ) but the reality , is thick locals who treat verges as handy spots for Greggs wrappers and Monster Energy cans
I can almost sort of understand it when it's just thick local knuckle draggers, a case of familiarity breeds contempt and they don't have any appreciation for the beauty of the place they've possibly lived all their life.As I said, what I don't get is when tourists go to the trouble and expense of visiting somewhere because its beautiful and scenic only to then utterly disrespect it and leave their s
t lying around wherever they feel like.I drove south on the A1 from Newark to Stamford this morning. The verges were strewn with rubbish for mile after mile, so much of it that it was difficult to believe it was due to litter casually thrown from vehicles, there was masses of it.
Here in Chesterfield, the A61 heading north towards Sheffield is similar but here there's reckoned to be a reason; it's thought to be blown from the council's own bin lorries en route to a nearby tip. That might well be true as there's none on the opposite verge when they return empty.
Here in Chesterfield, the A61 heading north towards Sheffield is similar but here there's reckoned to be a reason; it's thought to be blown from the council's own bin lorries en route to a nearby tip. That might well be true as there's none on the opposite verge when they return empty.
TheConsultant said:
After some years of reading anonymously (lost access to the account and email I had on here years ago), I signed back up after reading this thread and the relief that others feel as angry about this issue as I do.
It's not just the roadsides and verges that are the problem, it's everywhere. I live in one of the nicer parts of my city, sure it's quite central so there's always going to be less sense of ownership than slightly more suburban areas, but still you can't walk anywhere and be more than 5 metres from a piece of litter, usually a discarded energy drinks bottle or lager can. Everyone seems to be blind to it, like they were when I visited India and was shocked at everyone just walking over a carpet of discarded plastic like it was supposed to be there.
I'm sure council cutbacks haven't helped (many urban residential streets haven't been swept in months, they're still shoe-deep in last autumn's leaf mulch, so there's the broken windows theory and all that), but it boils my piss when you read comments on any news article about the environment or litter, and the mouth-breathers are blaming the council for it. Well, the council didn't put the litter there, did they? The odd over-flowing rubbish bin is a drop in the ocean compared to the volume of litter that comes directly from the hands of the scum. How can people think that a cash-strapped council should go round clearing up after others?
It's really noticeable after spending time abroad. I used to think the US was a dirty country, and for sure there's a lot of plastic bottles by the sides of the highways and parts of major cities are as dirty as they are dangerous, but in suburbia and small-town America, pavements and kerbsides and the roads themselves are so clean. It's the same in Europe - my fiancée is Hungarian and having spent time there, there is a genuine sense of collective responsibility for keeping the streets clean, and any drinks bottles, cans, or food packaging lying around is notable for being the exception rather than the norm. Even smokers go out of their way to stub their cigarettes out in the dedicated receptacles on the lids of the bins, rather than just chucking them on the ground. Yes you still find some things fly-tipped down country lanes and it's not perfect, but amongst the vast vast majority of the normal population that you interact with, walk past, and drive past every day, it's completely socially unacceptable to litter.
Why does the UK have to be like this?
Sadly because there is a high percentage of selfish, ignorant cretins in our society. It's not just the roadsides and verges that are the problem, it's everywhere. I live in one of the nicer parts of my city, sure it's quite central so there's always going to be less sense of ownership than slightly more suburban areas, but still you can't walk anywhere and be more than 5 metres from a piece of litter, usually a discarded energy drinks bottle or lager can. Everyone seems to be blind to it, like they were when I visited India and was shocked at everyone just walking over a carpet of discarded plastic like it was supposed to be there.
I'm sure council cutbacks haven't helped (many urban residential streets haven't been swept in months, they're still shoe-deep in last autumn's leaf mulch, so there's the broken windows theory and all that), but it boils my piss when you read comments on any news article about the environment or litter, and the mouth-breathers are blaming the council for it. Well, the council didn't put the litter there, did they? The odd over-flowing rubbish bin is a drop in the ocean compared to the volume of litter that comes directly from the hands of the scum. How can people think that a cash-strapped council should go round clearing up after others?
It's really noticeable after spending time abroad. I used to think the US was a dirty country, and for sure there's a lot of plastic bottles by the sides of the highways and parts of major cities are as dirty as they are dangerous, but in suburbia and small-town America, pavements and kerbsides and the roads themselves are so clean. It's the same in Europe - my fiancée is Hungarian and having spent time there, there is a genuine sense of collective responsibility for keeping the streets clean, and any drinks bottles, cans, or food packaging lying around is notable for being the exception rather than the norm. Even smokers go out of their way to stub their cigarettes out in the dedicated receptacles on the lids of the bins, rather than just chucking them on the ground. Yes you still find some things fly-tipped down country lanes and it's not perfect, but amongst the vast vast majority of the normal population that you interact with, walk past, and drive past every day, it's completely socially unacceptable to litter.
Why does the UK have to be like this?
coppice said:
I disagree - most people do not drop litter and would not dream of doing so. A small percentage drops a lot of litter . My roadside research suggests they exist on a diet of Monster , Red Bull , cheap lager , McDonalds , Costa and Greggs products . Nowt from Waitrose ...
Ha that made me laugh.The quality of the rubbish probably varies from place to place. Walking along Trewsbury Rd leading to the village of Coates in Gloucestershire the verge is rammed with empty gin and energy drink cans. I assume someone dumps them out their car on the way home each day, literally thousands of them. No takeaway rubbish though.
Yeah , my wife, who was on the parish council and very pissed off with rubbish, once walked into a meeting with a binliner full of vodka and orange cans , having been told by the farmers on the council that all rubbish was from ' bloody walkers, townies and cyclists ' coming to our village . With a little bit of research she was able to show exactly where the rubbish was from - someone in the village, who worked on a farm...
Pica-Pica said:
Go to Japan, and see that the U.K. is an absolute embarrassment.
Hi all. Realise the above post is old, but just wanted to say, that as many will know you can just cross the channel and see that the U.K. is an absolute embarrassment. I'd say France got the litter problem totally sorted some 10-15 years ago or more. I sometimes travel with mates to somewhere that's an easy flight and a little different, our last 3 trips either side of pandemic was Lviv, Krakow and Sofia, doing walkabout in these cities there was NO litter and there was little difference outside the cities.
When it comes to litter, I'm saying the UK is a total outlier in Europe, anyone disagree? 🙂
heebeegeetee said:
Pica-Pica said:
Go to Japan, and see that the U.K. is an absolute embarrassment.
Hi all. Realise the above post is old, but just wanted to say, that as many will know you can just cross the channel and see that the U.K. is an absolute embarrassment. I'd say France got the litter problem totally sorted some 10-15 years ago or more. I sometimes travel with mates to somewhere that's an easy flight and a little different, our last 3 trips either side of pandemic was Lviv, Krakow and Sofia, doing walkabout in these cities there was NO litter and there was little difference outside the cities.
When it comes to litter, I'm saying the UK is a total outlier in Europe, anyone disagree? ??
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This is something I’ve noticed more and more recently on a frequent journey I do (Nottinghamshire - Manchester). Some of the A-roads are now awful. I wondered if it was a perception thing, but looking at street view even a couple of years ago things were much better.
I’d assumed this is one of the first things to be cut from budgets, many parts are really looking like a poor country.
I’d assumed this is one of the first things to be cut from budgets, many parts are really looking like a poor country.
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