Building "Thor"
Discussion
There is rare and there is desirable.
Clearly this fire truck is not desirable in anyone's eyes that would actually spend their hard earned and time restoring it, so instead of it rotting away (as it had already done) it's being reborn.... I'm guessing there are hundreds of these trucks decaying away as know one wants them.
To me it looks like he is taking an ugly pile of junk, and making something unique and special from it.
Fortunately everyone else's view is not relevant, storer is the man who's spending the time and cash.
Protests and opinions have been made and noted, So let's move on and watch his progress :-)
Clearly this fire truck is not desirable in anyone's eyes that would actually spend their hard earned and time restoring it, so instead of it rotting away (as it had already done) it's being reborn.... I'm guessing there are hundreds of these trucks decaying away as know one wants them.
To me it looks like he is taking an ugly pile of junk, and making something unique and special from it.
Fortunately everyone else's view is not relevant, storer is the man who's spending the time and cash.
Protests and opinions have been made and noted, So let's move on and watch his progress :-)
That doesn't follow at all. Were it to be advertised to the aviation community, I'm sure someone would want it. Rare alone should mean worthy of preservation. Range Rover Classics and variants thereof are never beyond restoration. New chassis are available (and you still keep the identity), panels aren't hard to make...
RoverP6B said:
That doesn't follow at all. Were it to be advertised to the aviation community, I'm sure someone would want it. Rare alone should mean worthy of preservation. Range Rover Classics and variants thereof are never beyond restoration. New chassis are available (and you still keep the identity), panels aren't hard to make...
Every example of a rare model does not need to be preserved; just a representative sample, surely? Anyway, I think your objections have been noted now.
RoverP6B said:
Range Rover Classics and variants thereof are never beyond restoration.
And can also be modified, improved or molested as much as someone wants to! The protests are getting more hilarious, Storer good on you I can't wait to see how this comes out. Love the ingenuity to take the old unwanted rangey and the effort it will take to turn it into something unique and wonderful. Good on you!RoverP6B said:
These days people are undoing modifications to RRCs, standard ones are worth a lot more than bobtails.
Enough already!You have said your piece several times. The rr was for sale, and could have been bought by a restorer. It wasn't.
Storer has every right to do what he wants with it, and good on him for making something unique.
Storer said:
Ok chaps. We are getting carried away here and the torque info is not correct.
A Meteor MK4BH engine is 550 to 600hp and about 1500ftlbs torque at the crank. The MK4B1 with it's roller cams is nearer 700hp as it can rev higher (Up to 3000rpm from 2600rpm). The torque is virtually unchanged.
Charlie's engine has had work on it's heads to improve the flow so that he can add boost for more power. He is now at 750hp but not sure of torque. Charlie is a mate and I have supplied him with some parts from my scrap engines to help get his going again.
Regarding using the Range Rover. Thousands of them have been built and there will always be a limited demand for older one's (which had very poor build quality and reliability, I used to drive an early 1970's version in the early 80's).
I quite expect to have to change parts to take the torque but it is likely to be around 500 to 600ftlbs once I have increased crank speed by up to 3 times.
It will be an auto box with a torque converter that will 'cushion' the driveline a little. I may have to use different axles but is that an issue?
This build will be a journey of discovery, learning, trial and probably error with the finished product not to everyone's taste. I will do it because I want to and it adds a bit of a challenge to life.
Paul
I will remain rather surprised if you can get any LR drivetrain in that which doesn't break a lot, under that load. However, you obviously have a lot more engineering knowledge than I ever will have, so maybe it'll work.A Meteor MK4BH engine is 550 to 600hp and about 1500ftlbs torque at the crank. The MK4B1 with it's roller cams is nearer 700hp as it can rev higher (Up to 3000rpm from 2600rpm). The torque is virtually unchanged.
Charlie's engine has had work on it's heads to improve the flow so that he can add boost for more power. He is now at 750hp but not sure of torque. Charlie is a mate and I have supplied him with some parts from my scrap engines to help get his going again.
Regarding using the Range Rover. Thousands of them have been built and there will always be a limited demand for older one's (which had very poor build quality and reliability, I used to drive an early 1970's version in the early 80's).
I quite expect to have to change parts to take the torque but it is likely to be around 500 to 600ftlbs once I have increased crank speed by up to 3 times.
It will be an auto box with a torque converter that will 'cushion' the driveline a little. I may have to use different axles but is that an issue?
This build will be a journey of discovery, learning, trial and probably error with the finished product not to everyone's taste. I will do it because I want to and it adds a bit of a challenge to life.
Paul
I preferred the RR idea too, but it's your project so do what you like as long as you keep updating here
RoverP6B said:
That doesn't follow at all. Were it to be advertised to the aviation community, I'm sure someone would want it. Rare alone should mean worthy of preservation. Range Rover Classics and variants thereof are never beyond restoration. New chassis are available (and you still keep the identity), panels aren't hard to make...
If I was as concerned as you appear to be about this example being made into something else, I would put my hand in my pocket and make Paul an offer! or I would contact the 'community' and ask for someone else to save it from DOOOMMMM!
P.S. I think DOOOOMMM is a better name for the car.
all this bickering over another mans property!
As Paul paid his own money for the vehicle and is now the legal owner he can do what the hell he likes with it, end of story.
As Paul paid his own money for the vehicle and is now the legal owner he can do what the hell he likes with it, end of story.
- edit - it does take me back a few years when I was considering importing an old 1940s diamond T fire truck to convert into a classic car hauler. I was at a car show with a couple of old Fire engines and mentioned it to the two owners. They were up in arms at the fact that I wanted to remove the pumps and fit a diamond tread bed inside the back body... so I mentioned that they should buy it then as the current owner was likely sending it to the crusher. Oddly when they heard how much the shipping was they showed no interest in "saving" it.
Edited by hedgefinder on Tuesday 18th August 14:28
hedgefinder said:
all this bickering over another mans property!
As Paul paid his own money for the vehicle and is now the legal owner he can do what the hell he likes with it, end of story.
Quite, I imagine it happens in a veriety of (if not all) classic car circles. My guess is that there are also people in the Rolls Royce circles that didn't want to see a classic 'Roller' used for the project either.As Paul paid his own money for the vehicle and is now the legal owner he can do what the hell he likes with it, end of story.
- edit - it does take me back a few years when I was considering importing an old 1940s diamond T fire truck to convert into a classic car hauler. I was at a car show with a couple of old Fire engines and mentioned it to the two owners. They were up in arms at the fact that I wanted to remove the pumps and fit a diamond tread bed inside the back body... so I mentioned that they should buy it then as the current owner was likely sending it to the crusher. Oddly when they heard how much the shipping was they showed no interest in "saving" it.
Edited by hedgefinder on Tuesday 18th August 14:28
Lets see Thor getting built shall we
At the risk of getting myself a whoosh parrot, the only Rover you could convert a Range Rover into would be a P4. P5 and P6 were unibody.
Anyway, judging by how many chassis this thread has gone through already, by the time the finished article emerges, it'll be based on a Ford F-650...
Anyway, judging by how many chassis this thread has gone through already, by the time the finished article emerges, it'll be based on a Ford F-650...
RoverP6B said:
At the risk of getting myself a whoosh parrot, the only Rover you could convert a Range Rover into would be a P4. P5 and P6 were unibody.
Anyway, judging by how many chassis this thread has gone through already, by the time the finished article emerges, it'll be based on a Ford F-650...
Well I must be in touch with my feminine side, as I reserve the right to change my mind............Anyway, judging by how many chassis this thread has gone through already, by the time the finished article emerges, it'll be based on a Ford F-650...
Paul
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