Peugeot 205 Saloon Libre - RWD Space-Frame Silhouette Racer
Discussion
dom9 said:
Is the concern that they'll see it as advertising for your services?
It's still your project car, huh? Plenty of professional engineers on here with projects.
It would be a shame to miss out on this project being on PH - will drive traffic, I am sure!
Yeah the problem is it's a project I'm building for someone else, so it'd be a pretty sparse thread if I left any detail out that could be considered advertising / promotion. I'm really trying not to cross that line at the mo, so I'll have to leave it there!It's still your project car, huh? Plenty of professional engineers on here with projects.
It would be a shame to miss out on this project being on PH - will drive traffic, I am sure!
CHARLESBERG - I could use slightly smaller tube but it's mandated at a minimum size, so it only gains ~2mm.. this way gives around 80mm extra space and is getting pretty popular amongst WRC teams and other high level motorsports - the new Mini WRC has a pretty cool solution that's worth checking out if you haven't already.
The plumbing front-rear is a work in progress but I have a good idea of how to get it working.
dom9 said:
Without going back and checking; I think the target weight is around 750kg.
It looks like a lot of the heavy steel is in the floor for a nice, low centre of gravity.
I'm loving it - think it looks awesome and should really shift. Might be worth taking moulds of those panels if they're so hard to come by. A light accident could turn into a real pain!
Lots of interesting GRP bodywork available on the market eg RS200, 6R4 etc. Group B replicas could be a nice line for the OP. Or I'd like to see you have a go at a Group C; a 962 a la GTRCLIVE would be cool.
Will be interesting to see what price the Speed 3 Automotive 6R4 kit comes in at. They're using an Audi V6 but I do wonder if a Subaru Flat-4 and 'box would make a nice, low CoG alternative, perhaps giving more room from a shorter overall length (which I'm guessing it may be).
I remember some mid engine Minis with the Alfa flat-4 engine and box 25 years ago and they looked awesome!
Funny you should mention Group C.. I had a guy bring in a full set of LMP2 suspension (wishbones, uprights, brakes, wheels) to see if I was interested in making something like that.It looks like a lot of the heavy steel is in the floor for a nice, low centre of gravity.
I'm loving it - think it looks awesome and should really shift. Might be worth taking moulds of those panels if they're so hard to come by. A light accident could turn into a real pain!
Lots of interesting GRP bodywork available on the market eg RS200, 6R4 etc. Group B replicas could be a nice line for the OP. Or I'd like to see you have a go at a Group C; a 962 a la GTRCLIVE would be cool.
Will be interesting to see what price the Speed 3 Automotive 6R4 kit comes in at. They're using an Audi V6 but I do wonder if a Subaru Flat-4 and 'box would make a nice, low CoG alternative, perhaps giving more room from a shorter overall length (which I'm guessing it may be).
I remember some mid engine Minis with the Alfa flat-4 engine and box 25 years ago and they looked awesome!
Kerb weight will be ~800kg and power is ~190bhp, so it won't be a rocket ship like my original project (600kg / 400bhp) but it should be a LOT of fun and certainly fast enough when hustled well.
The bodywork is a reproduction so isn't the most amazing fit or match to the original. As the car is likely to enter some endurance races, it'd be wise to take moulds and that's definitely on the cards at a later date, but I think to make acceptable reproductions I'd need to get hold of some original parts - there are some out there, but they aren't cheap by any means!
Dr G said:
Going through new thread now; I don't care what you build, just enjoy watching it come together (your workmanship looks truly exceptional).
In the very nicest way possible it reminds me a lot of Project Binky (look it up if you don't already follow). Exacting engineering with a sense of humour. If you ever find the hours in the day I'm sure your builds would make for a lot of keen Youtube followers too.
Thanks, I'll check it out! TBH I've made most of those posts at the end of a long day, so haven't really been able to ramble as much as I'd like, so I'm glad there's a little humour coming through in my frantic updates!In the very nicest way possible it reminds me a lot of Project Binky (look it up if you don't already follow). Exacting engineering with a sense of humour. If you ever find the hours in the day I'm sure your builds would make for a lot of keen Youtube followers too.
dom9 said:
Well, let us know if you do decide to go the Group C route - That would be very cool indeed 
800kg and 190bhp is about the same as an Exige S1, so it ought to be pretty handy I'd have said!
If you get the panels to a nice finish before it races, you ought to be able to take moulds off them. If the finish isn't great, does it matter if the moulds aren't?
The 205 T16 seems to be a rare beast even in 'kit' form (unlike the RS200 or 6R4) so I am sure there would be a market for panels! I'd absolutely love a mid-engine 205 and have been in (albeit irregular) contact with another PHer about my 106 project...
It's unlikely I will at the mo.. the offer was "build one for me an you can have a free set of LMP2 bits" but unfortunately I'm still very much at the stage where I need to be paid in real money. 800kg and 190bhp is about the same as an Exige S1, so it ought to be pretty handy I'd have said!
If you get the panels to a nice finish before it races, you ought to be able to take moulds off them. If the finish isn't great, does it matter if the moulds aren't?
The 205 T16 seems to be a rare beast even in 'kit' form (unlike the RS200 or 6R4) so I am sure there would be a market for panels! I'd absolutely love a mid-engine 205 and have been in (albeit irregular) contact with another PHer about my 106 project...
It's not so much the surface of them, as that's pretty decent, but the fit & finish generally. There are a lot of rough edges and it doesn't look like it was made with much care. I wouldn't want to sell parts to someone that required as much ballache as I'm having with these bits, as I doubt they'd be too happy with me for it! For this car reproducing the dodgy panels for spares will be fine but down the line some quality moulds or original parts will be required. There's a guy in France who has original moulds but as I'm sure you can imagine he's not in any rush to part with them or give someone a bargain!
stu205 said:
Good to see this is still going and on the petrol powered / 205 route
I hope / dream of building a proper T16 replica myself sometime in the not too distant future. If not the panels, do you have you any plans to do the chassis as a 'kit'? I'm sure it'd be much better designed and thought out than I could ever come up with!
I actually came accross the Austrian site selling the body panels just before I saw that this had been updated. How are they to deal with? Are there any deals to be done if say a full set was purchased?
Looking forward to seeing the end result!
Yes, potentially more of these can / will be built..I hope / dream of building a proper T16 replica myself sometime in the not too distant future. If not the panels, do you have you any plans to do the chassis as a 'kit'? I'm sure it'd be much better designed and thought out than I could ever come up with!
I actually came accross the Austrian site selling the body panels just before I saw that this had been updated. How are they to deal with? Are there any deals to be done if say a full set was purchased?
Looking forward to seeing the end result!
Uhh.. what I have to say about the body panels can't be said, so it's best I say something else. If you're looking to build a proper T16 - that is, use panels that fit from people who can be trusted - I would use original panels. There's a place in France who sell genuine T16 parts and I would highly recommend going that route if you want value for money. I picked up a genuine spoiler from them and they were a pleasure to deal with. That said, it's not cheap.. but then neither is the other option, all things considered.
Hello again!
Just to clear a few things up before I go on.. I don't have this car anymore, it was all sold off last year to pay for tools / equipment for my fabrication shop! There seems to be a bit of confusion on the interweb about whether I finished this or not, so best to clarify I didn't.. I hung on to it for about 2 years then decided the money was best invested in my business to set a foundation for the future (one in which I could do this again, but better
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On a more positive note, I finished the other 205 I was building and it had its first track appearance on Saturday!
Here's some pics.. the rest can be found on the link Dom9 shared, along with a full write-up.
And then some on-board footage from Rockingham.. you can probably tell I was crapping myself in the first video, but soon got comfortable.
Sadly that's all the footage I got, as my GoPro seems to be deleting everything when I try importing.
Thanks to everyone for the words of encouragement throughout the build(s), more pics / videos incoming next weekend from Snetterton
Just to clear a few things up before I go on.. I don't have this car anymore, it was all sold off last year to pay for tools / equipment for my fabrication shop! There seems to be a bit of confusion on the interweb about whether I finished this or not, so best to clarify I didn't.. I hung on to it for about 2 years then decided the money was best invested in my business to set a foundation for the future (one in which I could do this again, but better
)On a more positive note, I finished the other 205 I was building and it had its first track appearance on Saturday!
Here's some pics.. the rest can be found on the link Dom9 shared, along with a full write-up.
And then some on-board footage from Rockingham.. you can probably tell I was crapping myself in the first video, but soon got comfortable.
Sadly that's all the footage I got, as my GoPro seems to be deleting everything when I try importing.
Thanks to everyone for the words of encouragement throughout the build(s), more pics / videos incoming next weekend from Snetterton
dom9 said:
Awesome - utterly awesome!
Been following the other thread but hadn't seen an update for a while!
Yeah I was getting on with a load of small jobs so waited until it was all done! It's doing its 2nd and last track day this year at the weekend, so it'll likely be quiet again after that. Been following the other thread but hadn't seen an update for a while!
I've got a serious itch to build something else now tbh..
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