My 205 4X4 Cosworth

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take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

5,245 posts

56 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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Are you going to chase them for money?

That really is appalling. It's easy to make mistakes, but that's why you pay 'experts' to mitigate that risk.

Caddyshack

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10,922 posts

207 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
Are you going to chase them for money?

That really is appalling. It's easy to make mistakes, but that's why you pay 'experts' to mitigate that risk.
There is no point, he is too difficult to deal with. I will just have to cut it all out and move on.

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

5,245 posts

56 months

Sunday 22nd May 2022
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Caddyshack said:
There is no point, he is too difficult to deal with. I will just have to cut it all out and move on.
Probably the healthiest approach in the long run. I applaud how sanguine you are about it.

Caddyshack

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Sunday 22nd May 2022
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take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
Caddyshack said:
There is no point, he is too difficult to deal with. I will just have to cut it all out and move on.
Probably the healthiest approach in the long run. I applaud how sanguine you are about it.
No point letting it get you down, just gotta dust yourself off and crack on.

Caddyshack

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Monday 23rd May 2022
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alfa-alex said:
I’d be interested to see what cost they come back with, if they haven’t done one before then there’s a lot of research and drawing time required before you get anywhere near printing or fitting the vinyl
They have said around £1300 which seems good to me. Warranty on their work, 3m warranty too.

TheConverted

2,229 posts

155 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Caddyshack said:


I have sent this pic and a few others off to a wrapping company who seem to be able to do a complete wrap including the rally decals.
Id be happy to help mate, I'm with the others as well be much easier to wrap it white and then lay the graphics on top. perhaps they are talking about designing the graphics / livery.

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TheJimi

25,034 posts

244 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Caddyshack said:
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
Are you going to chase them for money?

That really is appalling. It's easy to make mistakes, but that's why you pay 'experts' to mitigate that risk.
There is no point, he is too difficult to deal with. I will just have to cut it all out and move on.
and that's why him, and people like him, are still in business, and ready to screw the next customer frown

fttm

3,703 posts

136 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Cracking thread OP , really enjoying the progress . Regards the wrapping , maybe have a word with Mark Lively (Lively Race Graphics), does some top class work in the rallying world .

Olivera

7,196 posts

240 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Is it worth scrapping this car/shell and starting again? More work but you're going to end up with less of a patchwork quilt of welds, metal and solder.

Caddyshack

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Tuesday 24th May 2022
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fttm said:
Cracking thread OP , really enjoying the progress . Regards the wrapping , maybe have a word with Mark Lively (Lively Race Graphics), does some top class work in the rallying world .
Thank you

Caddyshack

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Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Olivera said:
Is it worth scrapping this car/shell and starting again? More work but you're going to end up with less of a patchwork quilt of welds, metal and solder.
I don't think it will end up like that...only the bits in the rear that I have had to do. The car means a lot to me personally and there is a lot of work getting the floor etc right along with getting the body kit right etc.


If I did not have the car and the attachment / starting again then I would get a new shell and start with a rear engine and copy the T16 more closely....I think.


The car will be right when it is finished and should look perfect by the time the bodyshop bit is done with.

Caddyshack

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Tuesday 24th May 2022
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TheJimi said:
Caddyshack said:
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
Are you going to chase them for money?

That really is appalling. It's easy to make mistakes, but that's why you pay 'experts' to mitigate that risk.
There is no point, he is too difficult to deal with. I will just have to cut it all out and move on.
and that's why him, and people like him, are still in business, and ready to screw the next customer frown
The car and motorbike world is unregulated and I have heard of so many car projects that rattle on far beyond the stated timescales, never get completed or the relationship breaks down. The worst bit is that the car is a hobby to us and we get emotionally caught up in it. The law can sometimes be tough to enforce and you often end up with a CCJ on the person with an agreement for them to pay peanuts which they then fail to pay (worst case)

Many of these deals are done with a handshake or involve some cash and as such the contractual side can slip despite texts and whatsapp conversations to support this....it is often the luck of the draw as to how well the business looks after the customer....sadly.

I can certainly see why some people pay the likes of Alfaholics £300k for a proper build or Retro-power etc..

TheJimi

25,034 posts

244 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Caddyshack said:
TheJimi said:
Caddyshack said:
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
Are you going to chase them for money?

That really is appalling. It's easy to make mistakes, but that's why you pay 'experts' to mitigate that risk.
There is no point, he is too difficult to deal with. I will just have to cut it all out and move on.
and that's why him, and people like him, are still in business, and ready to screw the next customer frown
The car and motorbike world is unregulated and I have heard of so many car projects that rattle on far beyond the stated timescales, never get completed or the relationship breaks down. The worst bit is that the car is a hobby to us and we get emotionally caught up in it. The law can sometimes be tough to enforce and you often end up with a CCJ on the person with an agreement for them to pay peanuts which they then fail to pay (worst case)

Many of these deals are done with a handshake or involve some cash and as such the contractual side can slip despite texts and whatsapp conversations to support this....it is often the luck of the draw as to how well the business looks after the customer....sadly.

I can certainly see why some people pay the likes of Alfaholics 300k for a proper build or Retro-power etc..
I wasn't aiming my comment at you, rather it was aimed variously at the individual concerned, and at the general situation you describe above. I too, have experienced all of the above, vicariously through a close friend. The similarities of his experiences and yours are carbon copies.

- and again, the individual is highly regarded in the industry, so what was thought of as being a safe pair of hands, turned out to be nothing of the sort.

One thing I've learned that if I ever do it myself, is that I won't be doing what my mate did and pay a substantial chunk up front, in good faith.



Edited by TheJimi on Tuesday 24th May 15:32

Caddyshack

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Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Sorry if I came across in any odd way, I know you weren’t having a go.

I made the mistake of paying a bit up
Front and then when asked “as a favour”
To pay in full to assist cash flow I did so to help speed up
The process of my car….the opposite happened and I was silly to trust another person on the basis of how I would have repaid such a favour myself. I’m not the only one it turns out. I paid in full and a bit more in the first 8 months of a 3.5 yr wait for a partially completed shell.

We live and learn.

I am sorry your friend had to go through this as it really takes it’s toll on you as none of us want to have to turn nasty. I was very lucky that forum members drove 4 hours each way to make sure the collection was made to go smoothly as it had been suggested it would have been different.

Caddyshack

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Tuesday 24th May 2022
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The 205 shell is known to be small, add in a 4x4 tunnel and floor space gets pretty tight. I had to cut the harness bar out as was too low and blocked the seat but the boxes on the feet of the cage seemed huge, they stopped the seat runners at the back and the front blocked a straight run to the pedal. My ankle also caught the corner of the box which would make a mess of my ankle in a shunt.

I did not know if there was some floor strength added in the boxes so I asked Mr Angry the grinder to have a little look inside knowing I could always weld it back in.





I drew on the offending bits.



That looks better for my ankle.

Nothing in the boxes at all.



Just need to box in the holes with some decent thickness steel after sealing them inside with epoxy and then anti corrosion wax.

alfa-alex

88 posts

53 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Caddyshack said:
alfa-alex said:
I’d be interested to see what cost they come back with, if they haven’t done one before then there’s a lot of research and drawing time required before you get anywhere near printing or fitting the vinyl
They have said around 1300 which seems good to me. Warranty on their work, 3m warranty too.
Feel free to pop the quote over to me on email to make sure all looks right

Caddyshack

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10,922 posts

207 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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alfa-alex said:
Caddyshack said:
alfa-alex said:
I’d be interested to see what cost they come back with, if they haven’t done one before then there’s a lot of research and drawing time required before you get anywhere near printing or fitting the vinyl
They have said around 1300 which seems good to me. Warranty on their work, 3m warranty too.
Feel free to pop the quote over to me on email to make sure all looks right
You are too kind. They haven’t sent anything formal yet.

TheJimi

25,034 posts

244 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Caddyshack said:
Sorry if I came across in any odd way, I know you weren’t having a go.
No apologies necessary, you didn't come across weirdly at all, I just wanted to clarify what I meant smile

Caddyshack

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207 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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Grabbed a couple of hours today and plasma cut some plate to go in the rear cage base plate. I have also used it to build in the lower harness mount clip on point.

I am going to run 2 options. 1) will be a 3 point retractable harness 2) will be a 4 point clip in for more serious work.

Harnesses can be a pain on the road and a barrier to using the car so the retractable ones will make it easier for when I just want to jump in and go.


Furyblade_Lee

4,108 posts

225 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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That is one of the most beautiful cars I have ever seen.