Impulse buy: Peugeot 205 GTi 16v

Impulse buy: Peugeot 205 GTi 16v

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CarlosV8

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765 posts

172 months

Tuesday 25th January 2022
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It's been a while, so I figure it's time for a quick update. I've been using the 205 when I can to try and put a bit more mileage on the clock to justify the tax and insurance costs. This included a late night stop on Portsdown Hill:

2021-10-25_11-02-13 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

And a local car meet just down the very same hill:

2022-01-09_04-41-29 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

Always nice to chat to fellow petrolheads about the car. In fact later on after this photo was taken a nice mk2 Golf GTi parked next to me and we had a good chinwag about the 2 cars.

It was also time for the MOT just before Christmas, which I booked in the day before it ran out. Went to drive it the few miles to the garage and it was running like a dog. I assumed the plugs had been fouled again, so whipped them out to check and did my usual trick of pulling an HT lead out of it's plug, luckily I had a spare this time. However the plugs were fine. By this point I had missed the MOT, so went inside to sulk.

Next on my list was to check the TPS, to see if this was playing silly buggers again. It looked fine when checking the output on the laptop, but I recalibrated it anyway, and sure enough it ran perfectly from that point. Got it booked into for an MOT the following week and it passed with flying colours (good job after the money spent on it over the past year!).

I'm not sure what's going on with the TPS, but thought it best to replace as it would be c10 years old by now. Unfortunately it turns out the homemade ECU loom had the connector the opposite way round to any off-the-shelf TPS options. Balls. I didn't really want to go messing with the loom right now, as my soldering skills need some improvement first! So I phoned Emerald directly and they very kindly made me up a suitable TPS with the correct connector on for my car. And that is now sitting happily at the end of the ITBs doing it's thing:

20220117_222630 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

I recalibrated the ECU again, and once again I'm back up and running. Oh, and I also bought a pair of long nose HT pliers to stop me breaking HT leads!

I also decided to attack some rattles in the car, the dash binnacle in particular likes to resonate at certain speeds. As usual for 205s, the binnacle was looking worse for wear under the skin, with broken mounts and a crack down the edge. I repaired everything I could using super-glue and small repair washers and was quite happy with the result. I also added some foam underneath:

20220117_232539 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

I gently put it all back together, tightening the screws as much as I dared and then took it for a nice long run round the Hampshire countryside. I'm pleased to report it's made next to no difference. Ha! Oh well, at least I know it's all mounted more securely now!

So what's next? Well, 2021 was the year of the suspension and with that now done and my wallet just about recovered, this year will be initially about getting the car running better. It generally runs well once going, but the overfuelling is still there and cold starts are a bit rough - these need to be sorted, along with adjusting the map for the recent exhaust and air filter changes. It's beyond my expertise, so if anyone knows of a garage down South that can map Emerald ECUs please let me know.

TheConverted

2,227 posts

154 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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Let me know next time your heading to portsolent meet or heading out. I'll fire up my lemon!

TheConverted

2,227 posts

154 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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Let me know next time your heading to portsolent meet or heading out. I'll fire up my lemon!

CarlosV8

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765 posts

172 months

Thursday 27th January 2022
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TheConverted said:
Let me know next time your heading to portsolent meet or heading out. I'll fire up my lemon!
Sounds good, will do. It was my first time at the Port Solent meet, but there was a decent selection of cars so will definitely go again at some point.

TheConverted

2,227 posts

154 months

Saturday 29th January 2022
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CarlosV8 said:
TheConverted said:
Let me know next time your heading to portsolent meet or heading out. I'll fire up my lemon!
Sounds good, will do. It was my first time at the Port Solent meet, but there was a decent selection of cars so will definitely go again at some point.
You going tomorrow CarlosV8 I might be up for it if you're going.

CarlosV8

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765 posts

172 months

Saturday 29th January 2022
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TheConverted said:
You going tomorrow CarlosV8 I might be up for it if you're going.
I'd love to but I'm at Caffeine and Machine tonight then Bicester tomorrow. Next time!!

TheConverted

2,227 posts

154 months

Saturday 29th January 2022
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Ok mate have fun!

CarlosV8

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765 posts

172 months

Saturday 26th February 2022
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As mentioned, I was at Caffeine and Machine at the end of January, I won't bore you with more pics of the 205 sat outside, except maybe this one which nicely shows 30 years of progress:

20220129_170909 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

I've got absolutely nothing against modern hot hatches, I'd love one, but they do look a bit portly against the little 205!

I've started looking into a mapping session, but after speaking to a local-ish chap he advised getting the injectors cleaned before doing anything else. Seemed like logical advice, so I whipped them out and found a postal cleaning service.

First thing I noticed was some residue in the fuel rail:

2022-02-09_11-35-35 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

Not a great sign, so whilst waiting for the injectors I gave the rail a thorough clean out. The injectors came back with a pretty good bill of health:

2022-02-09_11-33-18 by CarlosV8, on Flickr
2022-02-22_08-51-42 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

It's unlikely anyone reading this noticed, but the injectors are actually from a VAG 1.8T engine - apparently they flow better and were required when originally mapping the 205 to get to the 200bhp mark. As well a sonic cleaning they also got new o rings, filters and pintle caps. The process removed the paint from the injector body, so I masked up both ends and gave the bodies a couple of coats of satin black. Everything then went back together without any problems and the car started straightaway. In fact, it started much easier than it usually does from cold, which is a step in the right direction.

With my daily driver Volvo now sold, I'm in between cars whilst I wait for my Corsa-E to be ready for collection (it's at the dealers a mile away but needs an urgent recall doing before I can collect, not the best start to ownership of my first new car, let alone the first EV!). And with COVID restrictions lifting I now have to drive into the office from next week, so the 205 will be pushed into daily service for a while. It will be interesting to see how it copes... hopefully OK, in fact I'm quite looking forward to using it regularly, even if my commute is pretty boring.


CarlosV8

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765 posts

172 months

Friday 25th March 2022
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The 205 was pressed into daily service for a week, and coped well overall. I enjoyed driving it everyday, but it's not well suited to the commute - loud, rattly, not great at speed humps, no PAS and probably not particularly economical. Of course, I knew this already, and although it was fun for a week, I wouldn't want to do it long term... but fortunately the replacement daily has arrived now, so the 205 is tucked up in the garage again.

The one minor issue I did have was a squeak from the alternator that only used to happen occasionally, started happening every time I drove it. It wasn't the belt, it was coming from the alternator itself. Fortunately I managed to source a brand new Valeo unit for the princely sum of £70. Fitting was fairly simple - with no PAS pump or other ancillaries access is fairly good from above, you just need to remove the slam panel and one of the intake trumpets:

2022-03-10_10-03-24 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

So, the squeak as now gone, which is good. Unfortunately I noticed the crank pulley was looking a bit worse for wear - it has a rubber damper to absorb vibrations, which is perished and causing a bit of play. I'll get that replaced shortly, possibly with an aluminium version for extra weight-saving points!

Managed to find a decent little meet locally at the Winchester Auto Barn, some "exotic" car drivers didn't like driving through a little bit of mud to get onto the field, but no problems in the 205:

2022-03-16_11-28-56 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

A good selection of cars, and a decent bacon sandwich too. Hopefully I can get out there again at some point when the sun is shining!

TheConverted

2,227 posts

154 months

Wednesday 13th April 2022
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You about on Thursday night mate, locksheath meet is on. 1900 out side the strawberry Fields pub

CarlosV8

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765 posts

172 months

Wednesday 13th April 2022
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Haven't heard of that one, but unfortunately I think I'll be at work frown

TheConverted

2,227 posts

154 months

Sunday 17th April 2022
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CarlosV8 said:
Haven't heard of that one, but unfortunately I think I'll be at work frown
add yourself to lockheath classic car club on faceache . think its a couple of times a month in the summer. im just around the corner so very handy for me!

CarlosV8

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765 posts

172 months

Thursday 21st July 2022
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The 205 continues to be a reliable old workhorse for me - after my brand new Corsa-E died on me in April the 205 stepped up to be my daily driver once again, and did a sterling job. Since then it hasn't been used much for various reasons, but decided to dig it out the garage this weekend. Before I took it anywhere I wanted to get the crank pulley sorted, as it turned out it was a bit worse than I thought:

20220710_202605_1 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

Should be a video if you click it.... basically it has completely failed. I'm surprised the alternator was still managing to charge the battery. Now fixed with a Spoox aluminium replacement:

20220710_210353 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

Which also gives a handy 1kg weight saving. Woooo!

With that sorted it got a wash and polish and off we went for the Simply French meet at Beaulieu:

20220717_122900 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

By chance we were parked next to a relatively rare Euro-spec 205 Rallye, which is a very cool car:

20220717_100323 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

And the view from the monorail (my car is parked in the far corner):

20220717_103459 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

Still quite early at this point, there were quite a few more cars by later morning, which resulted in a nice collection of French tat, from an SM to a base model mk1 Renault 5 and lots in between. It was also another good test of the coolant system - there was a nice big queue coming in, so spent 20 mins crawling along in the hot sun. The fan remained on the whole time, but after creeping up very slightly, both temp gauges then remained rock steady. There was a whiff of coolant and oil in the air, but I think that was just the standard smell of French cars in a traffic jam!

Next job is the annual oil change, at which point I may whip the sump off to clean it up to get rid of the manky, rusty look you can see in the photos above. Other than that it will be a case of enjoying it some more in the sunshine!


CarlosV8

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765 posts

172 months

Tuesday 13th September 2022
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It was time for the annual oil change on the 205. In some ways this seems pointless as it does so few miles, but on the otherhand, for the sake of £25, why would I not do it in order to keep the old engine in the best health possible. So used my usual combination of Bosch oil filter and Shell Helix 10w40 semi synthetic oil - nothing special but the engine seems to like it!

I mentioned in the previous post that I was thinking about taking the sump off to clean it up. I actually bought the gasket to do it, but in the end decided not to disturb the current well-sealed gasket, and instead I'll give it a quick coat of POR15 in situ at some point. One other oil-related job I did attend to though was the oil pressure sensor. The oil pressure gauge didn't seem to be too accurate and I thought it might be a combination of firstly an old sensor (probably original to the engine), and secondly that the ZX 16v sensor is mis-matched to the 205 GTi gauge. So I acquired a new Intermotor GTi sender relatively cheaply (part no 53800), along with an adapter to fit it (M16 male to M10 female IIRC). Bit of a faff to get it out, but eventually I had a shiny new sensor:

2022-09-13_06-52-05 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

The gauge now registers 6 bar on cold startup, 2 bar at warm idle and 4-6 bar when warm on the move. Lovely!

Not much else going on with the car, I've been trying to use it a bit more this summer, which has been thoroughly enjoyable. Here's a couple of shots from out and about around the Hampshire countryside:

2022-08-30_01-11-02 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

2022-09-04_03-26-20 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

Thanks for reading!


CarlosV8

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765 posts

172 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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The 205 continues to plod on without too much drama. I've managed to pile on a few more miles over the past few months, including a journey across country to a friends wedding. Couldn't miss the opportunity for a few photos at the reception venue the next morning:

20221009_094131 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

20221009_134009 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

Back at home with the daily driver:

20221007_134344 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

I'm pretty happy with them as a pairing - the 205 for when you want a bit of excitement and noise, and the Corsa-E for when you want a more relaxing (and cheaper) journey. I would have liked the e-208, for an all-Peugeot lineup, but the deal on the Corsa was much better so decided to make do with a 208 in a cheaper frock!

Last weekend was probably the last car meet up of the year for me, at Thruxton for the Hendy Coffee Run. Only the second time the event has run (I missed the first in October), but it was quite a nice mix of cars. Everything from your typical Fiesta STs to a Morris Minor V8 to a Lotus Carlton (well, 2 actually!). And a lovely cross country drive to get there too.

2022-11-22_08-39-20 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

Finally, to bring us completely up-to-date, yesterday was MOT day for the 205. It didn't start well, this was half a mile from the MOT station:

20221126_080545 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

The left front indicator decided to stop working. Well I say "decided", turns out I hadn't connected it back up after adjusting the headlight last week. Ooooops. Luckily an easy fix! The MOT itself went well, with just a couple of minor advisories on the handbrake adjustment and slightly rusty brake lines. I'll get those sorted, along with a few other jobs over the winter.

Thanks for reading!

CarlosV8

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765 posts

172 months

Friday 31st March 2023
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A minor change in circumstances has meant the 205 has stepped up to regular daily driving duties - only once every week or 2, but it's coped admirably over the winter. This has made it a bit harder to get on with work, as I can't just leave it in an undriveable state in the garage for weeks at a time. Having said that, I've persevered and finished off a job I started ages ago - project sound dampening. I did the boot and under the back seat a long time ago, but it was finally time to do the main cabin. First up was to remove seats, trim and carpet:

20230205_110609 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

This meant full on race car mode (ish) for commuting:

20230205_201343 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

This got a few comments at work! I gradually got the floorpan cleaned up, a few minor rust spots touched up and then got the sound dampening down. I didn't think I would have enough to completely cover the floor so I was doing it in sections (the idea is to stop the metal resonating, so full coverage not essential), but turned it went a bit further than I expected:

2023-02-24_09-39-39 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

With that done, the original sound deadening and carpet went back in:

20230312_101555 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

And finally the rest of the interior, all looking pretty clean for the first time in ages:

20230312_182445 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

And the result? A very noticeable reduction in resonance, especially in the 3-4krpm range. It's still there, but is no longer vibrating through your ear drums at motorway speeds. Very happy with for for an investment of about £50, and especially useful for what was coming next....

So, last year I was bored one night and planned a road trip for the 205 - 10 hours of driving going from Southampton to Cheddar Gorge to the Brecon Beacons to the Elan Valley and then back to Southampton. I plotted some kick-ass roads and a few good looking photo opportunities from Google Maps, but unfortunately things got busy at work and it never happened. Fast forward to 2023 and I found myself with some free time so decided to go for it, albeit doing it over 2 days with a stopover in Cardiff. It was wet and windy but overall, pretty damn good fun. I'll let the photos do the talking:

20230328_121232 by CarlosV8, on Flickr

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In total we did about 500 miles across the 2 days, and the car performed almost faultlessly. The only minor issues was the passenger speaker not working, and an occasional squeak from the alternator belt when it was really wet - both easy fixes now I'm back home. Overall it was a joy to drive, the high revving engine and short ratio box / LSD worked perfectly round the twisty back roads of Wales. And even after an 8 hour stint the seats still felt super comfy - not bad for a 30 year old tin can!

Up until the road trip I'd been having thoughts about selling the 205 and trying something different. But after a couple of excellent days driving it I'm not sure I'm ready to part with it just yet. I've still got a few jobs planned for this year, so I'll carry on tinkering and will see what happens!

nickfrog

21,164 posts

217 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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Lovely pics and words, which conveyed how much you enjoyed the trip really well.

I admire the commitment to care for such an iconic car. Probably easier to just "consume" cars and churn through them like I do but nowhere near as rewarding as your experience as what you do to the car has a direct impact on your enjoyment of it, plus you also have the satisfaction of contributing to a bit of automotive history in the process.

marky911

4,417 posts

219 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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Don’t sell it! No way!
Roadtrip looked great.

Some excellent work going into this. The new carpet looks ace. bandit

I’ve just bought one last year, as I had one 27 years ago when I was 18.




It’s very much a 6 footer, but it’s sound enough and I was very happy to find it after watching values soar over the last few years while I’ve been casually looking.

Also coupled with a modern interloper. My wife’s Abarth.




Anyway, sorry for the hijack. I’ll get a thread sorted once I’m finished crawling around under old Volvos. hehe

Great thread anyway and your car looks mint. bandit

Oh, I’m also finding myself doing a lot of the same jobs as you. Just redone some fan wiring and replaced all coolant sensors and fan switch.
Loads still to do though.


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Edited by marky911 on Saturday 1st April 01:09

carinaman

21,298 posts

172 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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Loving the photo overlooking Portsmouth.

BlackTank

111 posts

143 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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Great thread! My opinion is not to sell something so unique, especially since you've sorted it so well.