1992 Peugeot 106 XSi - Strip, Respray, Rebuild OEM+
Discussion
geeks said:
Looking at How Many Left we have half as many XSI's than Rallyes out there, I think they will begin to appreciate of their own accord over time!
They will to an extent, but they're 4th in line for 'most-coveted 106', and the XSi badge has never been that desirable. Being how hard Peugeot found it to shift S1 Rallyes back in the day, the surviving numbers are testament to this.
Kitchski said:
geeks said:
Looking at How Many Left we have half as many XSI's than Rallyes out there, I think they will begin to appreciate of their own accord over time!
They will to an extent, but they're 4th in line for 'most-coveted 106', and the XSi badge has never been that desirable. Being how hard Peugeot found it to shift S1 Rallyes back in the day, the surviving numbers are testament to this.
Even if it is the better car
dom9 said:
Kitchski said:
geeks said:
Looking at How Many Left we have half as many XSI's than Rallyes out there, I think they will begin to appreciate of their own accord over time!
They will to an extent, but they're 4th in line for 'most-coveted 106', and the XSi badge has never been that desirable. Being how hard Peugeot found it to shift S1 Rallyes back in the day, the surviving numbers are testament to this.Even if it is the better car
I don't think they're going down in value now, to be fair. They bottomed out some time ago, and if anything they have climbed slightly. It's possible to buy a GTi for less, and that wasn't possible a few years back.
I do think that the Rallye S1 & S2 and GTi will see that the XSi never really gets fully recognised, and then even if it did, you've got subdivisions of desirability like pre-cat vs. cat, 1400 vs. 1600 etc. The earlier the example, the more desirable the car with these I think.
Daft really, because the Rallye isn't that much different a car. A bit more basic, rides a little bit firmer and slower, when it comes down to it. It's the rarity of kudos of it that pushes the value up. That said, I did love my S1 Rallye a year or two back.
It's probably sacrilege to say it, however, but I felt the S1 Rallye was not as much fun as either the Saxo VTS (sheer speed advantage makes up for lack of character), or a good AX GT (character and fun overload!)
I do think that the Rallye S1 & S2 and GTi will see that the XSi never really gets fully recognised, and then even if it did, you've got subdivisions of desirability like pre-cat vs. cat, 1400 vs. 1600 etc. The earlier the example, the more desirable the car with these I think.
Daft really, because the Rallye isn't that much different a car. A bit more basic, rides a little bit firmer and slower, when it comes down to it. It's the rarity of kudos of it that pushes the value up. That said, I did love my S1 Rallye a year or two back.
It's probably sacrilege to say it, however, but I felt the S1 Rallye was not as much fun as either the Saxo VTS (sheer speed advantage makes up for lack of character), or a good AX GT (character and fun overload!)
A few interesting articles here for those with time:
http://www.rallye-info.com/carmodel.asp?car=156
http://www.rallye-info.com/carmodel.asp?car=206
http://www.rallye-info.com/carmodel.asp?car=156
http://www.rallye-info.com/carmodel.asp?car=206
Good articles those - Makes sense now why my XSi has the homologation plate!
Don't get me wrong, guys - I'd be the last person to talk down values but if this was a 50,000 miles Rallye, I wouldn't be touching it, other than to make sure it was perfect.
If you can keep the rust of them; none of these models will lose money but I'll probably lose a load if I try and sell this when it is finished BUT - It will be worth its weight in gold to me (hopefully) as a non-cat, non-ABS, non-power steering, back to basics car.
Should be getting close to the weight of a Rallye with close to the power of a GTi, which should make it a lovely B-road steer.
No presents from the postman today, so mocking up the inlet manifold arrangement will have to wait! Away this weekend as well so progress may be slow for a couple of weeks
Don't get me wrong, guys - I'd be the last person to talk down values but if this was a 50,000 miles Rallye, I wouldn't be touching it, other than to make sure it was perfect.
If you can keep the rust of them; none of these models will lose money but I'll probably lose a load if I try and sell this when it is finished BUT - It will be worth its weight in gold to me (hopefully) as a non-cat, non-ABS, non-power steering, back to basics car.
Should be getting close to the weight of a Rallye with close to the power of a GTi, which should make it a lovely B-road steer.
No presents from the postman today, so mocking up the inlet manifold arrangement will have to wait! Away this weekend as well so progress may be slow for a couple of weeks
dom9 said:
Should be getting close to the weight of a Rallye with close to the power of a GTi, which should make it a lovely B-road steer.
To get near the true output of a 16v will take some doing. There's quite a gulf between the 8v and the 16v engines IMO, more so than the figures suggest. Our VTS managed 127bhp @ 6700rpm, and 111lbft @ 5000rpm, and it's standard. To get those numbers from a 1400 at those kind of engine speeds will prove tricky, but best of luck to you and I will enjoy reading about your efforts 
127bhp is very do-able but I won't be going that far and I agree that we probably wouldn't match the torque.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110903072843/http://...
But weight and the short ratios will have a huge effect and my target is more like 110+bhp, which ought to be 'easy' on a 4-2-1, cam and S1 inlet.
This car isn't about bragging rights, it is purely for my own enjoyment on our local roads and maybe trips to Wales/ Scotland.
I'm hoping the cam and S1 inlet manifold may appear today, so I'll try and get my throttle body adapter drawn up in the next couple of weeks, then off to 3D printing!
Then I'll get some long overdue photos up
https://web.archive.org/web/20110903072843/http://...
But weight and the short ratios will have a huge effect and my target is more like 110+bhp, which ought to be 'easy' on a 4-2-1, cam and S1 inlet.
This car isn't about bragging rights, it is purely for my own enjoyment on our local roads and maybe trips to Wales/ Scotland.
I'm hoping the cam and S1 inlet manifold may appear today, so I'll try and get my throttle body adapter drawn up in the next couple of weeks, then off to 3D printing!
Then I'll get some long overdue photos up
mwstewart said:
Interesting stuff - keep it up! It takes me back to when I started in the late 90's/early 2000's, and tuning hot hatches at the time. It seemed to be far more common than it is now.
It'll be a blast when finished.
mwstewart - [Wayne's World] I am not worthy It'll be a blast when finished.
[/Wayne's World]Good to have you on the thread! I have been inspired by your projects and the chap building the 205 GTi Dimma.
Yeah, I was always a 205 GTi man back in the day and never had a 106, having been through a couple of Clio Williams and a 172 in the last year - The modifying bug has bitten again. I can't/ won't touch the V6 as it's one of the very rare, Phase 1 Illiad blue cars (chassis #002, 1 of 8 and even less remaining) so I needed a project.
The last one I did was the track day 996, back in maybe '09, and I'd love to do something like that again but with the O&G business the way it is; I have to be a little more careful with the pennies!
So, engine, 'box and chassis (respray, suspension refresh etc) this year and then assess the situation and maybe look at throwing a load of alcantara at the interior in the next phase.
dom9 said:
127bhp is very do-able but I won't be going that far and I agree that we probably wouldn't match the torque.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110903072843/http://...
But weight and the short ratios will have a huge effect and my target is more like 110+bhp, which ought to be 'easy' on a 4-2-1, cam and S1 inlet.
This car isn't about bragging rights, it is purely for my own enjoyment on our local roads and maybe trips to Wales/ Scotland.
I'm hoping the cam and S1 inlet manifold may appear today, so I'll try and get my throttle body adapter drawn up in the next couple of weeks, then off to 3D printing!
Then I'll get some long overdue photos up
110bhp is certainly do-able on those mods, but the gains aren't as easily found as many people think.https://web.archive.org/web/20110903072843/http://...
But weight and the short ratios will have a huge effect and my target is more like 110+bhp, which ought to be 'easy' on a 4-2-1, cam and S1 inlet.
This car isn't about bragging rights, it is purely for my own enjoyment on our local roads and maybe trips to Wales/ Scotland.
I'm hoping the cam and S1 inlet manifold may appear today, so I'll try and get my throttle body adapter drawn up in the next couple of weeks, then off to 3D printing!
Then I'll get some long overdue photos up
I think you've got the right approach though, where it's not just about numbers, more about how the finished product feels to drive. I suspect it'll be a lot of fun!
If memory serves, the VTS gearbox is the second closest-matched ratios behind the S1 Rallye's (though the final drive is longer than the XSi, and the AX GT etc). Might be worth hunting one down though?
Kitchski said:
110bhp is certainly do-able on those mods, but the gains aren't as easily found as many people think.
I think you've got the right approach though, where it's not just about numbers, more about how the finished product feels to drive. I suspect it'll be a lot of fun!
If memory serves, the VTS gearbox is the second closest-matched ratios behind the S1 Rallye's (though the final drive is longer than the XSi, and the AX GT etc). Might be worth hunting one down though?
There are some good threads on the 106 Rallye forum about gearbox ratios.I think you've got the right approach though, where it's not just about numbers, more about how the finished product feels to drive. I suspect it'll be a lot of fun!
If memory serves, the VTS gearbox is the second closest-matched ratios behind the S1 Rallye's (though the final drive is longer than the XSi, and the AX GT etc). Might be worth hunting one down though?
I would link to them but for some reason; that site is blocked at work!?
Anyway, I believe the 1.4 XSi 'box (as I have) is the second closest, only marginally behind the S1 Rallye.
I am tempted by a rebuilt Rallye 'box, Quaife ATB and then the VTR (and other 1.4/1.6 boxes) 5th gear as it drops on the end of the shaft, easily and gives a much, much longer 5th gear for motorways/ cruising etc.
dom9 said:
There are some good threads on the 106 Rallye forum about gearbox ratios.
I would link to them but for some reason; that site is blocked at work!?
Anyway, I believe the 1.4 XSi 'box (as I have) is the second closest, only marginally behind the S1 Rallye.
I am tempted by a rebuilt Rallye 'box, Quaife ATB and then the VTR (and other 1.4/1.6 boxes) 5th gear as it drops on the end of the shaft, easily and gives a much, much longer 5th gear for motorways/ cruising etc.
Sure I read somewhere that the VTS box was closer than the XSi/AX GTi box. Could be wrong though! Not sure I'd want to stick a tall 5th on it, as if you do any fast road stuff, you do end up using 5th occasionally. There will be a bit of a jump between 4th and 5th!I would link to them but for some reason; that site is blocked at work!?
Anyway, I believe the 1.4 XSi 'box (as I have) is the second closest, only marginally behind the S1 Rallye.
I am tempted by a rebuilt Rallye 'box, Quaife ATB and then the VTR (and other 1.4/1.6 boxes) 5th gear as it drops on the end of the shaft, easily and gives a much, much longer 5th gear for motorways/ cruising etc.
Either way, it's going to be fun!
The best gearbox for the 106 XSi 1.4 is without doubt the one that was fitted from the factory. Peugeot may be crap at wiring (and gearboxes) but they can make an engine sing! I have a VTR Box on one of my Rallyes simply because it is nicer to drive on long journeys - I must be getting old!
Edited by mitsiman on Thursday 24th March 22:09
geeks said:
dom9 said:
Kitchski said:
geeks said:
Looking at How Many Left we have half as many XSI's than Rallyes out there, I think they will begin to appreciate of their own accord over time!
They will to an extent, but they're 4th in line for 'most-coveted 106', and the XSi badge has never been that desirable. Being how hard Peugeot found it to shift S1 Rallyes back in the day, the surviving numbers are testament to this.Even if it is the better car
Good thread Dom, really interesting and it's great to see another 106 saved. I have a huge soft spot for them as my first car was a new metallic blue 106 Ski on an M plate back in early 1995. Despite being a 1.1 and having 145 section tyres it went great and taught me a lot about driving. I've got a 205 GTi now as a weekend car because these old Peugots are just so 'right' and do get under your skin.
Keep the pics and updates coming
Keep the pics and updates coming
Hope Dom doesn't mind a hijack, but had a decent day on my car today. Fitted the refurbished wheels, complete with new winter tyres, fitted a new downpipe to replace the old rotten one, resprayed the ECU mount, fitted a new battery and for the first time in 7 years, she started on the turn of the key.
Cheeky not to have a quick drive along the backlane!
Next up, passenger side wheels / TRE / droplink and then re-fit all the lights / bumpers.
Cheeky not to have a quick drive along the backlane!
Next up, passenger side wheels / TRE / droplink and then re-fit all the lights / bumpers.
The hijack is more than welcome! Will give me some inspiration!
The S1 Rallye inlet, Piper BP285 cam and new ICV are at home... but I'm down in Berkshire for the Easter weekend so no car stuff until next weekend, sadly!
Still, my credit card needed a break! Will outline my plans for the S1 inlet when I'm back!
The S1 Rallye inlet, Piper BP285 cam and new ICV are at home... but I'm down in Berkshire for the Easter weekend so no car stuff until next weekend, sadly!
Still, my credit card needed a break! Will outline my plans for the S1 inlet when I'm back!
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