Knackered old Porsche with loads of miles - 996 content
Discussion
Chris Stott said:
They look so much better lower though… particularly aero kitted cars.
I thought you could run lower with coilovers without impacting travel?
Lower almost always equates to a compromise.I thought you could run lower with coilovers without impacting travel?
PPBB, by the sounds of it, has properly nailed the setup for his use case, and to my eyes, the aesthetics too.
Dunno why you would want to risk compromising a performance car that is set up to ride and handle and not bottom out, by lowering it for aesthetic purposes if there is nothing else to be gained and potential for issues to arise. That looks absolutely bang on in every respect, ride height included and I'm no fan of 911s generally.
TheJimi said:
In fact, I'd go so far as to suggest that in terms of suspension compliance and ride height, PPBB is having his cake and eating it, from how the car's behaviour is described.
I’m sure it drives fabulously - as it should given it has pretty much the best suspension components you can get for a 996 and has been set up by a well respected specialist. However, the ride height is pretty much stock… might be M030 height, but it’s nowhere near where a GT3 would sit.
What do you do about security on something like this? I'm 20 years invested in a modified Evo 8 and s
t myself every time it's out of sight. As much as I've spent on that, I'm nowhere near as deep in as you must be with this, are you happy just to park it and walk away, or is the security as high tech as the rest of it?
Obviously not asking for specifics, as that would defeat the object, just interested in your mindset about how to protect it.
t myself every time it's out of sight. As much as I've spent on that, I'm nowhere near as deep in as you must be with this, are you happy just to park it and walk away, or is the security as high tech as the rest of it?Obviously not asking for specifics, as that would defeat the object, just interested in your mindset about how to protect it.
Long time lurker and all that.
Suffice to say I've always been a 911 fan and have loved this thread. The car keeps getting better and better.
After looking at 6 996s in Scotland over the last few weeks I did the right thing and bought the cheapest one. Which also turned out to be the best one!
The previous owner had passed away and some history is missing from his 8 year tenure but it's clear it's had some love. It's not perfect but it's not going to be a garage queen.
I'm not trying to say that you're a bad influence but here it is pictured with my Clio 182 powered Kangoo
Suffice to say I've always been a 911 fan and have loved this thread. The car keeps getting better and better.
After looking at 6 996s in Scotland over the last few weeks I did the right thing and bought the cheapest one. Which also turned out to be the best one!
The previous owner had passed away and some history is missing from his 8 year tenure but it's clear it's had some love. It's not perfect but it's not going to be a garage queen.
I'm not trying to say that you're a bad influence but here it is pictured with my Clio 182 powered Kangoo
The ride hight looks spot on to me!
And with what we have read from PPBB, it is based on very good grounds. Aesthetically, I have two questions for you, PPBB:
1. To my eyes, the rear axle could do with some spacers. Did you contemplate them? Would they have messed up the whole chassis set up?
2. Did you ever consider a ducktail? I thinks this would suit your car very well indeed, much more so after it’s new designation as a GT
And with what we have read from PPBB, it is based on very good grounds. Aesthetically, I have two questions for you, PPBB:
1. To my eyes, the rear axle could do with some spacers. Did you contemplate them? Would they have messed up the whole chassis set up?
2. Did you ever consider a ducktail? I thinks this would suit your car very well indeed, much more so after it’s new designation as a GT
Heaveho said:
What do you do about security on something like this? I'm 20 years invested in a modified Evo 8 and st myself every time it's out of sight. As much as I've spent on that, I'm nowhere near as deep in as you must be with this, are you happy just to park it and walk away, or is the security as high tech as the rest of it?
Obviously not asking for specifics, as that would defeat the object, just interested in your mindset about how to protect it.
It's well insured on an agreed value and I have a very good relationship with my insurer, it's protected as much as something like this realistically can be and it's tracked as one would expect. These days most things are nicked by breaking into a house and stealing keys or by relay attacks on keyless entry/start vehicles. The 996 is realistically too old for this generation of thieves t myself every time it's out of sight. As much as I've spent on that, I'm nowhere near as deep in as you must be with this, are you happy just to park it and walk away, or is the security as high tech as the rest of it?Obviously not asking for specifics, as that would defeat the object, just interested in your mindset about how to protect it.
I'm certainly not careless with it but as with all things if someone REALLY wants it there are ways that they'll get it.When all is said and done I built it to use it and a chunk of the spend is in the R&D not the bits, in short I can always build another one was the worst to happen..... but I'd rather it didn't!
Chris Stott said:
However, the ride height is pretty much stock… might be M030 height, but it’s nowhere near where a GT3 would sit.
You say that like it's a bad thing? Whilst a 996.1 GT3 is great on a track (and I've done enough miles in one ) they are a total dick on UK roads with a tendancy to follow camber changes and take chunks out the front splitter on big bumps / car park ramps. This car is all about function, the form is secondary - think of it like a tarmac rally car rather than a track car 
Filibuster said:
The ride hight looks spot on to me!
And with what we have read from PPBB, it is based on very good grounds. Aesthetically, I have two questions for you, PPBB:
1. To my eyes, the rear axle could do with some spacers. Did you contemplate them? Would they have messed up the whole chassis set up?
2. Did you ever consider a ducktail? I thinks this would suit your car very well indeed, much more so after it’s new designation as a GT
Check out the image below. You’ll see the wheels fill the arches perfectly, and it’s only the ride height that gives a different impression.And with what we have read from PPBB, it is based on very good grounds. Aesthetically, I have two questions for you, PPBB:
1. To my eyes, the rear axle could do with some spacers. Did you contemplate them? Would they have messed up the whole chassis set up?
2. Did you ever consider a ducktail? I thinks this would suit your car very well indeed, much more so after it’s new designation as a GT
A stock Mk 1 Sport Design GT3 wheel is 10” wide with an ET of 65.
These OZ’s are 11” wide with an ET of 63. Ergo they stick out an an additional 15mm over the standard wheels.
As for the ride height, Chris at CG and I coined a phrase many, many years ago, that being
“For road use, compliance is king”.
And a large part of gaining compliance comes from the amount of suspension travel you have available.
A Mk 1 or 2 996 GT3 is a wondrous thing on smooth roads, but once things get choppy and cresty, they’re rapidly hampered by suboptimal dampers/damping and a lack of suspension travel.
I generally raised mine up to the maximum tolerance specified by Porsche, and the difference was very noticeable.
Did you get my email Matt ? Apologies it was a bit of an “essay” ...
Edited by Slippydiff on Friday 30th June 21:07
poppopbangbang said:
You say that like it's a bad thing? Whilst a 996.1 GT3 is great on a track (and I've done enough miles in one ) they are a total dick on UK roads with a tendancy to follow camber changes and take chunks out the front splitter on big bumps / car park ramps. This car is all about function, the form is secondary - think of it like a tarmac rally car rather than a track car
It’s only a bad thing aesthetically… as I said, I don’t doubt it’s perfect, dynamically… but 996’s just look better at GT3 ride height. ) they are a total dick on UK roads with a tendancy to follow camber changes and take chunks out the front splitter on big bumps / car park ramps. This car is all about function, the form is secondary - think of it like a tarmac rally car rather than a track car Filibuster said:
1. To my eyes, the rear axle could do with some spacers. Did you contemplate them? Would they have messed up the whole chassis set up?
Definitely no room for spacers on this one 
It's actually relying on the camber change under compression to get the tyre under the arch at full compression!
Filibuster said:
2. Did you ever consider a ducktail? I thinks this would suit your car very well indeed, much more so after it’s new designation as a GT
I'm rather a fan of the original Mk1 Aero Kit / GT3 rear wing and they're a rare thing now having only existed for a couple of model years. No plans to change it as if you can't see the wing in the rear view mirror is it even worth having one? dome said:
Long time lurker and all that.
Suffice to say I've always been a 911 fan and have loved this thread. The car keeps getting better and better.
After looking at 6 996s in Scotland over the last few weeks I did the right thing and bought the cheapest one. Which also turned out to be the best one!
This is lovely! Well purchased Suffice to say I've always been a 911 fan and have loved this thread. The car keeps getting better and better.
After looking at 6 996s in Scotland over the last few weeks I did the right thing and bought the cheapest one. Which also turned out to be the best one!
Makes me wish I'd done something more interesting than my monochrome 911
Chris Stott said:
It’s only a bad thing aesthetically… as I said, I don’t doubt it’s perfect, dynamically… but 996’s just look better at GT3 ride height.
I think they look better at Carrera Cup ride height with split rims and a shed load of negative camber but again that's a function of the use case 
I'll absolutely have an old Carrera Cup car at some point, I think they represent mega value vs a road car GT3 even when one considers the drama the sequential built in a road car gearbox casing brings from a servicing perspective. They were also the only road car based race car I've ever been around that ground the trailing edge of the side skirts down during general use
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