E60 M5 to CL600 Biturbo

[sshenton1975]

It's a stunning car but not without problems!

Just about to part with £1200 quid for a coil pack and looks like ball joints on air struts are on their way out......£1100 each

Ouch

[aspirated]

Audemars said:

This is the sort of car I buy outside of supercars.

£120k down to £20k. Leave the rest to carry on leasing their bmws/golf/audis

Here you go with your stupid logic again. This would cost far more to run/maintain than any of the cars you mentioned would cost in depreciation alone, and I'm pretty sure the OP would agree.


Car looks amazing OP

[sshenton1975]

aspirated said:

Here you go with your stupid logic again. This would cost far more to run/maintain than any of the cars you mentioned would cost in depreciation alone, and I'm pretty sure the OP would agree.


Car looks amazing OP

Thanks chap - youre right, they are expensive when they go wrong!

Notice you drive a Golf 😉😉

[HairyMaclary]

sshenton1975 said:

It's a stunning car but not without problems!

Just about to part with £1200 quid for a coil pack and looks like ball joints on air struts are on their way out......£1100 each

Ouch

Ouch indeed. So best part of £6k spent since October?

Nice car, but will get ruinous quickly. How many owners have there been?

[mikEsprit]

I can live with the upgraded body kit stuff, I guess, but putting the fake badge on the car is unforgivable. Put a CL600 badge back on it.

What are annual costs like on these types of Mercedes? The power overload combined with the depreciation overload really puts them on my radar.

[bcadou]

lovely but why the need to badge it CL65 if it's a CL600?

[Barchettaman]

I think the previous owner rebadged it, and the OP is worried about removng them and damaging the paint.

Nice car OP, I hope you get the coil packs sorted, going by the other thread on GG there are some cheaper options out there for replacement.

[Tin Hat]

Barchettaman said:

I think the previous owner rebadged it, and the OP is worried about removng them and damaging the paint.

Nice car OP, I hope you get the coil packs sorted, going by the other thread on GG there are some cheaper options out there for replacement.

He shouldn't worry about removing the badges, the ones on my C class were very easy to remove using a hairdryer to warm up the adhesive

[sshenton1975]

Ive not paid anything yet! 800 quid for. lower ball joints paid by dealer!
Coil.pack will be 1500 all in. Hoping to get struts rebuilt - 80 quid each instead of 1100 each! There are ways!!

Re the badge - yes previous owner had it put on. Will get it sorted at some point!

[pSyCoSiS]

What a superb car, and exactly my cup of tea.

CL63 and C600 are chalk and cheese really.

I got myself an S55 AMG Kompressor in the summer, but some S600 BiTurbos were also options. Again, two totally different cars but my word an S600 that has been remapped will annihilate almost anything on the road.

And yes these are expensive to run - mine has cost around £3k in upkeep since I have bought it, and it still needs a set of decent tyres.

[ZX10R NIN]

bcadou said:

lovely but why the need to badge it CL65 if it's a CL600?

Does it really matter? If he had a CL63/CL500 badge on would you still care? Especially as it'd be putting out more than the 63.

OP Mapping these normally gives between 75-100bhp extra as well as around an extra 80lbft, if you want better traction then give Quaife a call I have fitted a few & have them in my Mercs traction is now not a huge issue especially on my 500 which has over a large torque figure plus the Vredesteins are a great help.

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Saturday 17th December 16:20

[anonymous-user]

aspirated said:

Audemars said:

This is the sort of car I buy outside of supercars.

£120k down to £20k. Leave the rest to carry on leasing their bmws/golf/audis

Here you go with your stupid logic again. This would cost far more to run/maintain than any of the cars you mentioned would cost in depreciation alone, and I'm pretty sure the OP would agree.


Car looks amazing OP

Yeah, the initial purchase price on something like this might be the same as a new Golf but the CL600 will probably continue to depreciate faster than the Golf and the running cost difference between a £20k brand new Golf and a CL600 is likely to be quite literally two or three orders of magnitude. There is nothing even remotely sensible about running an old CL600, not even my man maths can make that one add up

[jakesmith]

I considered obe of these or an SL600 with same engine. Having done research I decided a Maserati made more financial sense, read into that what you will

[AndrewCrown]

dme123 said:

Yeah, the initial purchase price on something like this might be the same as a new Golf but the CL600 will probably continue to depreciate faster than the Golf and the running cost difference between a £20k brand new Golf and a CL600 is likely to be quite literally two or three orders of magnitude. There is nothing even remotely sensible about running an old CL600, not even my man maths can make that one add up

DME I agree.. nothing is remotely sensible about any CL... but when its sorted and running well its a fabulous conveyance and it makes you feel very special indeed.. I looked up the historical running costs for my CL500... so perhaps add a multiplier of 1.2 for a CL600 ... I had it for 5 years and total bills were £7,000 odd... and that included ABC struts replacements.. reconditioning a valve block... some jiggery pokery with the compressed air system and other bits.. Depreciation was around £9,000. Well you can do the maths on the monthly costs.. I think its alright actually... but only if you have the cashflow at hand for the big bills... and I do admit that mine spent 3 months 'away' whilst I tootled about in my old Cherokee saving up. You can get a CL to a 'steady state' where costs become manageable.. you must have experienced that with your XJS...

[Rocksteadyeddie]

sshenton1975 said:

Ive not paid anything yet! 800 quid for. lower ball joints paid by dealer!
Coil.pack will be 1500 all in. Hoping to get struts rebuilt - 80 quid each instead of 1100 each! There are ways!!

Re the badge - yes previous owner had it put on. Will get it sorted at some point!

You need to send the struts here. https://www.facebook.com/4wheelalignmentcentre They have a clever way of replacing the grease in the ball joints provided they're not too far gone. About £120 each IIRC correctly .Made a big difference to the feel of mine, and good for another '000 miles.

[anonymous-user]

AndrewCrown said:

DME I agree.. nothing is remotely sensible about any CL... but when its sorted and running well its a fabulous conveyance and it makes you feel very special indeed.. I looked up the historical running costs for my CL500... so perhaps add a multiplier of 1.2 for a CL600 ... I had it for 5 years and total bills were £7,000 odd... and that included ABC struts replacements.. reconditioning a valve block... some jiggery pokery with the compressed air system and other bits.. Depreciation was around £9,000. Well you can do the maths on the monthly costs.. I think its alright actually... but only if you have the cashflow at hand for the big bills... and I do admit that mine spent 3 months 'away' whilst I tootled about in my old Cherokee saving up. You can get a CL to a 'steady state' where costs become manageable.. you must have experienced that with your XJS...

I was actually thinking that those figures are really not that bad at all for bills. I've probably spent about £3k on repairs/servicing for a Volvo D5 over three years and 60k miles and lost about £5k in depreciation. Over 5 years I'd expect those figures to be maybe £4k and £6k so not really that much more than you.

Let's not discuss fuel costs.

You are also quite right about initial costs to get it to a steady state. I always budget 20% of purchase price for just sorting out niggles with any used car, and should probably allow more for something older. I think £1k - £2k a year average to maintain anything with a V12 engine is reasonable, although you'll have good years and bad years. Again we will sweep fuel costs underneath the rug

[jakesmith]

dme123 said:

I was actually thinking that those figures are really not that bad at all for bills. I've probably spent about £3k on repairs/servicing for a Volvo D5 over three years and 60k miles and lost about £5k in depreciation. Over 5 years I'd expect those figures to be maybe £4k and £6k so not really that much more than you.

Let's not discuss fuel costs.

You are also quite right about initial costs to get it to a steady state. I always budget 20% of purchase price for just sorting out niggles with any used car, and should probably allow more for something older. I think £1k - £2k a year average to maintain anything with a V12 engine is reasonable, although you'll have good years and bad years. Again we will sweep fuel costs underneath the rug

Actually the comparison with a GOlf above isn't as silly as it initially seems...

Depreciation:
CL cost you £9k / Leasing a 2.0 TDi over 5 years would require 2 leases with deposits of £1k and payments of £330 = £22k

Maintenance:
CL cost you £7k / New golf over 5 years you'd spend maybe max £1,500 including tyres

Fuel:
Over 7000 miles a year with MPG of 18 in the CL = £10.5k / 50MPG in the Golf = £3.5k

Insurance:
If you're older is negligible these days, I pay £350 on a Maserati GT, Golf might be £250 best case

Tax:
CL = £500 / Golf £110

So over 5 years, the CL is a total of £30,750
Golf TDi leased is total of £28,810

Obviously this only works if milage is reasonable - however as OP said above, you have to have the liquidity to pay for big repair bills and not mind being off the road for a bit occasionally.

[layercake]

CL every time.. its just a monster which will rape your wallet every now and then :0 worth every penny

OP any chance you can pm where you found yours or the dealers details .. for some reason i fancy one

[layercake]

hondansx said:

There is a black one on Autotrader for £24k. Looks a bit meek without the AMG kit though.

Needs to have the Amg kit without ur right looks not quite right..

[aspirated]

layercake said:

Needs to have the Amg kit without ur right looks not quite right..

There's a black one on eBay with the AMG kit for £25k, but it has the wrong wheels and interior

Edit; here it is


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2007-MERCEDES-CL-600-V12...