Attempting to build the fastest road legal Elan in the world

Attempting to build the fastest road legal Elan in the world

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stevebroad

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Sunday 15th January 2017
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I made a carbon roof in a day but have spent more time trying to decide on how to release the handbrake :-)

The Rally Design unit is designed to be used in an exposed location, not covered by a console. The release is a simple latch that is lifted by hand. However it is inaccessible under the console.



So I need to work out some kind of opperating mechanism that is accessible and neat. Simplest would be a rod and knob fitted vertically to one end of the latch, either to pull or push the latch. I also thought of a bowden cable strapped to the handle but this would have to be detatchable so the handle could be removed.

Any ideas? Are there any such items already out there that I could adapt?

B'stard Child

28,421 posts

246 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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Hydraulic handbrake (emergency brake) as only system I thought was not legal?

stevebroad

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Sunday 15th January 2017
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B'stard Child said:
Hydraulic handbrake (emergency brake) as only system I thought was not legal?
Depends on age of vehicle :-)

Quote from MOT manual:

Hydraulic parking brakes as a sole means of operation are not acceptable on vehicles first used on or after 1 January 1968. However, they may be used to assist the application or release of a mechanical brake.

My Elan was born in 1967.

B'stard Child

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Sunday 15th January 2017
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stevebroad said:
B'stard Child said:
Hydraulic handbrake (emergency brake) as only system I thought was not legal?
Depends on age of vehicle :-)

Quote from MOT manual:

Hydraulic parking brakes as a sole means of operation are not acceptable on vehicles first used on or after 1 January 1968. However, they may be used to assist the application or release of a mechanical brake.

My Elan was born in 1967.
Thank you - I've been learned biggrin

AW111

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133 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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stevebroad said:
I made a carbon roof in a day but have spent more time trying to decide on how to release the handbrake :-)

The Rally Design unit is designed to be used in an exposed location, not covered by a console. The release is a simple latch that is lifted by hand. However it is inaccessible under the console.



So I need to work out some kind of opperating mechanism that is accessible and neat. Simplest would be a rod and knob fitted vertically to one end of the latch, either to pull or push the latch. I also thought of a bowden cable strapped to the handle but this would have to be detatchable so the handle could be removed.

Any ideas? Are there any such items already out there that I could adapt?
Quick thoughts -
For your first idea, could you adapt an aftermakrt choke cable, mounted to handbrake body, and have a hole in the trans. Tunnel for the knob.
Second thought - you now have a hollow hbrake lever. Can you run a pushrod down it to trip the latch?

davepoth

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199 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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How about using a central locking actuator? If you line it up properly it should work fine, and as an added bonus you could put a button to operate it on the end of the handbrake lever if you wanted.

stevebroad

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Sunday 15th January 2017
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davepoth said:
How about using a central locking actuator? If you line it up properly it should work fine, and as an added bonus you could put a button to operate it on the end of the handbrake lever if you wanted.
Hmmm, interesting. There doesn't appear to be enough movement in these actuators, but it got me thinking about using a mini actuator with a longer throw. An electric switch on the end of the lever can be made easily removable. Cheers

stevebroad

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AW111 said:
Quick thoughts -
For your first idea, could you adapt an aftermakrt choke cable, mounted to handbrake body, and have a hole in the trans. Tunnel for the knob.
Second thought - you now have a hollow hbrake lever. Can you run a pushrod down it to trip the latch?
Your first idea was where I was initially. Your second idea would be tricky to impliment as the handle needs to be removable and the latch needs to be lifted. Food for thought though, thanks.

stevebroad

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Sunday 15th January 2017
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Found this on eBay, should do the job nicely.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322121268381

cheddar

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174 months

Sunday 15th January 2017
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Go on Steve, give us a clue on what times you're aiming for, single figures?

stevebroad

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Monday 16th January 2017
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cheddar said:
Go on Steve, give us a clue on what times you're aiming for, single figures?
Well, I wouldn't have spent all this time and money to run tens :-)

AW111

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Monday 16th January 2017
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stevebroad said:
Found this on eBay, should do the job nicely.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322121268381
That has a quoted holding power of 0.2N, or about 20g (0.7 Oz). If that's enough, it looks good.

stevebroad

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Monday 16th January 2017
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It only has to lift one end of a 12mm x10mm x 60mm bar through 10mm

AW111

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Monday 16th January 2017
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stevebroad said:
It only has to lift one end of a 12mm x10mm x 60mm bar through 10mm
If it's the bar on the top of the frame in your handbrake pic, why not tap a thread in from the top and screw in something for a handle/knob? If necessary you could screw it in once the tunnel cover is fitted.

It looks like ony 10-30mm clearance to the tunnel at that point : is that correct?

stevebroad

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Monday 16th January 2017
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AW111 said:
If it's the bar on the top of the frame in your handbrake pic, why not tap a thread in from the top and screw in something for a handle/knob? If necessary you could screw it in once the tunnel cover is fitted.

It looks like ony 10-30mm clearance to the tunnel at that point : is that correct?
That was my initial idea. Simple solution but both hands would be needed to operate handle and knob at the same time.

AW111

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Monday 16th January 2017
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stevebroad said:
That was my initial idea. Simple solution but both hands would be needed to operate handle and knob at the same time.
Gotcha.

stevebroad

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Monday 16th January 2017
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Handbrake finished, apart from a little more polishing. As soon as the solenoid arrives from China I will find out if my design works.






Bebee

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225 months

Monday 16th January 2017
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Bookmarked, only just noticed this thread, good luck, another Lotus fan here.

Turn7

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221 months

Monday 16th January 2017
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Just a thought - if the battery is flat wont that mean you cant release the handbrake ?

stevebroad

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Monday 16th January 2017
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Turn7 said:
Just a thought - if the battery is flat wont that mean you cant release the handbrake ?
:-) If the battery is flat that is the least of my worries. It is a lithium battery so if it is flat it is £200 worth of buggered.

However, the handbrake design allows me to remove centre console and release handbrake manually.