McLaren F1 (Virtual) Build
Discussion
LankyLegoHead said:
Also a Design Engineer here, so I'll be following this.
Having said that, how do you spend all day on CAD and come home to do more? I'm struggling myself to get the motivation to scheme up some small parts for my motorbike!
Yeah I agree, I have had enough of CATIA by the time I go home!Having said that, how do you spend all day on CAD and come home to do more? I'm struggling myself to get the motivation to scheme up some small parts for my motorbike!
TomScrut said:
The force applied in a reg 13 emergency braking test is 750N IIRC which correlates quite well with your findings.
I will be following this with interest. You may benefit from a newer version of SW where the analysis might be a bit better integrated into the program.
Yea, baring in mind that the f1 had no power assistance (so would be on the higher end of that frequently), and feel was all important (no flex in normal use allowed!) - I doubled its capacity, crudely evaluated on basic caeI will be following this with interest. You may benefit from a newer version of SW where the analysis might be a bit better integrated into the program.
crosseyedlion said:
Well the thing is, apart from having a quick look at parts I don't really use cad at work. I'm not a professional cad user at all. Hence the learning 
That said, I'll quite happily spend all day thinking about and talking about cars, then come home and carry on. Its an affliction I'm sure many can relate to.
That makes sense! I've only been on CAD every day for a year or two now. That said, I'll quite happily spend all day thinking about and talking about cars, then come home and carry on. Its an affliction I'm sure many can relate to.
Ah yes, Thinking/talking about cars I can relate to indeed! It's why I feel so lucky to work with cars.
crosseyedlion said:
TomScrut said:
The force applied in a reg 13 emergency braking test is 750N IIRC which correlates quite well with your findings.
I will be following this with interest. You may benefit from a newer version of SW where the analysis might be a bit better integrated into the program.
Yea, baring in mind that the f1 had no power assistance (so would be on the higher end of that frequently), and feel was all important (no flex in normal use allowed!) - I doubled its capacity, crudely evaluated on basic caeI will be following this with interest. You may benefit from a newer version of SW where the analysis might be a bit better integrated into the program.
Lurking said:
Have you got a copy of 'driving ambition'? McLaren's book about the F1? It has a few design images, not many, and mainly pictures of bits of paper with design spec on. But maybe one or two nuggets in there.
Its on my purchase list, along with the 1/12th model by minichamps (sanctioned by McLaren themselves) but both will run me about £500 between the 2. You are absolutely mad and therefore welcome around my place any time your like!
Three things that come to mind. I will preface them by saying i understand you are doing this for love and not money but why not make some coin on the way if you can? The computing power and software that goes along with this sort of thing is not cheap!
Firstly you could sell posters of those exploded parts diagrams i am certain of it. This could help you along with the costs of this project or at least give you a few dollars for a beer. There are websites that will do all the printing and shipping for you.
Secondly in about ten years time i dont actually think the ideas of having this printed would be crazy. In fact some parts could even be printed and sold now. I am sure plenty of blokes would happily have a replica McLaren F1 pedal box on display in their man shed. It looks like shapeways.com already has some users making pedal boxes and other such things. I am not sure how much money you would make out of this but more think it would just be a cool use for all your hard work.
And my third thought was about the pending ethical debate about printing cars in the future. It is that old 'you wouldn't download a car' line that has now become a reality and a bit of a joke. The fact you might one day be able to print such a legendary car is pretty amazing and makes me hope i will live long enough to see this. Or a future where you subscribe to a 'McLaren F1' magazine where a little kit of parts shows up each month
Three things that come to mind. I will preface them by saying i understand you are doing this for love and not money but why not make some coin on the way if you can? The computing power and software that goes along with this sort of thing is not cheap!
Firstly you could sell posters of those exploded parts diagrams i am certain of it. This could help you along with the costs of this project or at least give you a few dollars for a beer. There are websites that will do all the printing and shipping for you.
Secondly in about ten years time i dont actually think the ideas of having this printed would be crazy. In fact some parts could even be printed and sold now. I am sure plenty of blokes would happily have a replica McLaren F1 pedal box on display in their man shed. It looks like shapeways.com already has some users making pedal boxes and other such things. I am not sure how much money you would make out of this but more think it would just be a cool use for all your hard work.
And my third thought was about the pending ethical debate about printing cars in the future. It is that old 'you wouldn't download a car' line that has now become a reality and a bit of a joke. The fact you might one day be able to print such a legendary car is pretty amazing and makes me hope i will live long enough to see this. Or a future where you subscribe to a 'McLaren F1' magazine where a little kit of parts shows up each month
Edited by AussieFozzy on Friday 20th January 01:25
Dannbodge said:
TomScrut said:
Yeah I agree, I have had enough of CATIA by the time I go home!
What doesn't help that is Catia is one of the most un-user friendly systems.Dannbodge said:
TomScrut said:
Yeah I agree, I have had enough of CATIA by the time I go home!
What doesn't help that is Catia is one of the most un-user friendly systems.design engineer here too so will follow closey, I use solidworks daily but also worked with inventor for 2 years before that,
I also used to work for a racing team, where we built the entire back end of an e type lightweight in inventor, although it was a team effort it was fun to create it. we had all the old 2d engineering drawings to work from, so the parts we were creating in cad were so that they could be manufactured in house or outsourced where required. so scale wise it was bang on.
I also built a kamaz Dakar truck back when I was at uni (see below) for my cad project, and back then my cad skills like you were only limited, so if you need any help i'd be glad to. we could also contribute some parts you didn't plan to create perhaps?
good luck!
Scott
I also used to work for a racing team, where we built the entire back end of an e type lightweight in inventor, although it was a team effort it was fun to create it. we had all the old 2d engineering drawings to work from, so the parts we were creating in cad were so that they could be manufactured in house or outsourced where required. so scale wise it was bang on.
I also built a kamaz Dakar truck back when I was at uni (see below) for my cad project, and back then my cad skills like you were only limited, so if you need any help i'd be glad to. we could also contribute some parts you didn't plan to create perhaps?
good luck!
Scott
Edited by Slb89 on Friday 20th January 12:53
Edited by Slb89 on Friday 20th January 12:56
pozi said:
Dannbodge said:
TomScrut said:
Yeah I agree, I have had enough of CATIA by the time I go home!
What doesn't help that is Catia is one of the most un-user friendly systems.
GetCarter said:
I'm a friend of Gordon Murray, I'll show him this thread if it's ok with you. Knowing how bonkers he is, I think he'll be interested.
He's not back in my neck of the woods until March, but I'll bookmark this.
The idea of that made me fall off my chair, I'd happily buy him lunch for an hour of his time. He's not back in my neck of the woods until March, but I'll bookmark this.
This sounds intriguing.
If ever this project gets to the stage where a real car can be built, a suitable engine might be the BMW N73, as found in the E65 760i and Rolls-Royce Phantom. Even the long-stroke Rolls engine should be good for 9000rpm if pushed to just under 5000 feet per minute mean piston speed, and the 760i could go to 9600rpm... assuming power scales linearly to rpm, the 6.0 could make 700bhp at redline. The 6.75 could make about 760bhp at 9000rpm. Or you could build a Franken-N73 6.4 using the Rolls big-bore block and 760i crank to make 750bhp at 9600rpm. Might take a bit more compression and more aggressive cams to make such power though - and I know that, in practice, engines rarely make power all the way to redline. Even so, a pretty conservative 700bhp should be attainable. It's also a bit lighter than the S70/2 - that's 274kg, the N73 is 240kg.
If ever this project gets to the stage where a real car can be built, a suitable engine might be the BMW N73, as found in the E65 760i and Rolls-Royce Phantom. Even the long-stroke Rolls engine should be good for 9000rpm if pushed to just under 5000 feet per minute mean piston speed, and the 760i could go to 9600rpm... assuming power scales linearly to rpm, the 6.0 could make 700bhp at redline. The 6.75 could make about 760bhp at 9000rpm. Or you could build a Franken-N73 6.4 using the Rolls big-bore block and 760i crank to make 750bhp at 9600rpm. Might take a bit more compression and more aggressive cams to make such power though - and I know that, in practice, engines rarely make power all the way to redline. Even so, a pretty conservative 700bhp should be attainable. It's also a bit lighter than the S70/2 - that's 274kg, the N73 is 240kg.
Beefmeister said:
Hello squire, did you know there are a couple of full 3D models of the F1 already done? There's one in Solidworks too.
It's available on GrabCAD.com for free
I think that they're shell approximations. It looks like the OP is getting right into the nitty-gritty component detail. And he's not using Creo, which is a bonus. It's available on GrabCAD.com for free
McAndy said:
I think that they're shell approximations. It looks like the OP is getting right into the nitty-gritty component detail. And he's not using Creo, which is a bonus.
Indeed, they're not exact but could certainly help him out especially as they're free! And I like Creo, so much so that I pay £1800/yr for the privilege!
RoverP6B said:
This sounds intriguing.
If ever this project gets to the stage where a real car can be built, a suitable engine might be the BMW N73, as found in the E65 760i and Rolls-Royce Phantom. Even the long-stroke Rolls engine should be good for 9000rpm if pushed to just under 5000 feet per minute mean piston speed, and the 760i could go to 9600rpm... assuming power scales linearly to rpm, the 6.0 could make 700bhp at redline. The 6.75 could make about 760bhp at 9000rpm. Or you could build a Franken-N73 6.4 using the Rolls big-bore block and 760i crank to make 750bhp at 9600rpm. Might take a bit more compression and more aggressive cams to make such power though - and I know that, in practice, engines rarely make power all the way to redline. Even so, a pretty conservative 700bhp should be attainable. It's also a bit lighter than the S70/2 - that's 274kg, the N73 is 240kg.
I've been thinking along the same lines for the past year! Although in the hypothetical build I would use the 6.0 to start, dry sumped with itbs and a similar , it would be good for over 500hp and produces the same torque as the f1 near enough stock.If ever this project gets to the stage where a real car can be built, a suitable engine might be the BMW N73, as found in the E65 760i and Rolls-Royce Phantom. Even the long-stroke Rolls engine should be good for 9000rpm if pushed to just under 5000 feet per minute mean piston speed, and the 760i could go to 9600rpm... assuming power scales linearly to rpm, the 6.0 could make 700bhp at redline. The 6.75 could make about 760bhp at 9000rpm. Or you could build a Franken-N73 6.4 using the Rolls big-bore block and 760i crank to make 750bhp at 9600rpm. Might take a bit more compression and more aggressive cams to make such power though - and I know that, in practice, engines rarely make power all the way to redline. Even so, a pretty conservative 700bhp should be attainable. It's also a bit lighter than the S70/2 - that's 274kg, the N73 is 240kg.
In the f1 it is a stressed member though, to that would be an important consideration to engineer around.
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