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They are a nightmare in the wet. And it rains a lot in Britain. And a nightmare on bumpy, twisty roads. Saw a (predecessor) red M135i nearly spin out under heavy braking on the M1 just a few days ago. The driver was racing another vehicle and had missed the slowing traffic ahead, slammed on the anchors at the last second, and the backend swung round to a 45-degree angle. Missed the central reservation and a couple cars around him by inches. Looked a right piece of junk.
Nice spec OP. I hope you're pleased with it.
My girlfriend has a BMW M135i with the ZF8 and it really is fantastic. When the time comes, we will only replace it with a newer one.
Long term average is 31 mpg, although she doesn't really boot it that often and her commute is a decent 60mph 12 mile run. It's a bit less when I drive it.
I love it, such a great all rounder. It's not as plush as a 5 series or 7 series inside, but it's nice. Handles well and it's really quick!
My girlfriend has a BMW M135i with the ZF8 and it really is fantastic. When the time comes, we will only replace it with a newer one.
Long term average is 31 mpg, although she doesn't really boot it that often and her commute is a decent 60mph 12 mile run. It's a bit less when I drive it.
I love it, such a great all rounder. It's not as plush as a 5 series or 7 series inside, but it's nice. Handles well and it's really quick!
Yipper said:
They are a nightmare in the wet. And it rains a lot in Britain. And a nightmare on bumpy, twisty roads. Saw a (predecessor) red M135i nearly spin out under heavy braking on the M1 just a few days ago. The driver was racing another vehicle and had missed the slowing traffic ahead, slammed on the anchors at the last second, and the backend swung round to a 45-degree angle. Missed the central reservation and a couple cars around him by inches. Looked a right piece of junk.
While I appreciate I haven't taken delivery of the car yet, I'm afraid I don't agree with this at all. I suspect it has a lot to do with the driver.There are frequent threads cropping up on BabyBMW etc. comparing the car to the likes of the Mini Cooper JCW etc, and berating it for not being as easy to push hard, but there seems to be very little in the way of understanding shown about the differences in how you can push a rwd car compared to a fwd one.
Modern cars are equipped with so many "get out of jail" type electronic safety systems nowadays that you can get away with an awful lot.
I'm far from proclaiming myself to be a great driver, but I suspect if you treat it with the respect it deserves and accept it will never handle like a FWD hot hatch you'll probably be fine.
The fact that the driver quoted was racing another car before slow moving traffic sort of clarifies my point perfectly really.
zed4 said:
Nice spec OP. I hope you're pleased with it.
My girlfriend has a BMW M135i with the ZF8 and it really is fantastic. When the time comes, we will only replace it with a newer one.
Easy man, I've had enough grief already about getting a girl's car haha.My girlfriend has a BMW M135i with the ZF8 and it really is fantastic. When the time comes, we will only replace it with a newer one.
That's good to hear buddy, cheers!
Congrats!
I picked up a 66 plate m135i last week for daily commuting and for normal commuting conditions its great (auto in eco pro / comfort), also the savage overtaking power really makes for a much safer driving experience imo. The gearbox is a real gem, up until i tried it I'd always looked down on auto's, not anymore!
I've spent the last week pottering about in eco pro mode to test the mpg figures with 1/4 tank of whatever the dealership put in + 3/4 tank of Momentum 99 and so far on a 16 mile rural commute lasting 26 mins the best i've got so far is 33 mpg which is not shabby at all considering my e36 328 on Momentum 99 averages about 34/35 mpg over the same distance.
Also don't get carried away and remember to follow the running in procedure (max speed 100 mph , max revs 4500 for the first 1200 miles), I'm currently on 800 miles and counting, counting, counting....
With regard to handling I have to admit that it doesn't feel as planted as my e36 which rides on the upgraded Bilstein B6 'AVUS' suspension at speed over bumpy B roads but Its not that bad.
I picked up a 66 plate m135i last week for daily commuting and for normal commuting conditions its great (auto in eco pro / comfort), also the savage overtaking power really makes for a much safer driving experience imo. The gearbox is a real gem, up until i tried it I'd always looked down on auto's, not anymore!
I've spent the last week pottering about in eco pro mode to test the mpg figures with 1/4 tank of whatever the dealership put in + 3/4 tank of Momentum 99 and so far on a 16 mile rural commute lasting 26 mins the best i've got so far is 33 mpg which is not shabby at all considering my e36 328 on Momentum 99 averages about 34/35 mpg over the same distance.
Also don't get carried away and remember to follow the running in procedure (max speed 100 mph , max revs 4500 for the first 1200 miles), I'm currently on 800 miles and counting, counting, counting....
With regard to handling I have to admit that it doesn't feel as planted as my e36 which rides on the upgraded Bilstein B6 'AVUS' suspension at speed over bumpy B roads but Its not that bad.
Edited by eztiger328 on Friday 5th May 14:21
Considering I have driven my M235i through a snow storm for over 2 hours on Pilot SuperSports without much difficulty on single carriage A roads etc.
You should not have much trouble in the rain.
Just when it rains back off like you would normally do and if you are unsure keep it in comfort mode or eco pro mode.
However I would only advise using Eco Pro mode on motorways etc, as it severely dumbs the throttle down which I don't like in my humble opinion.
You should not have much trouble in the rain.
Just when it rains back off like you would normally do and if you are unsure keep it in comfort mode or eco pro mode.
However I would only advise using Eco Pro mode on motorways etc, as it severely dumbs the throttle down which I don't like in my humble opinion.
Edited by Tomy90 on Friday 5th May 14:36
Tomy90 said:
Considering I have driven my M235i through a snow storm for over 2 hours on Pilot SuperSports without much difficulty on single carriage A roads etc.
You should not have much trouble in the rain.
Just when it rains back off like you would normally do and if you are unsure keep it in comfort mode or eco pro mode.
However I would only advise using Eco Pro mode on motorways etc, as it severely dumbs the throttle down which I don't like in my humble opinion.
Yeah the EcoPro looks good for dull commuting duties!You should not have much trouble in the rain.
Just when it rains back off like you would normally do and if you are unsure keep it in comfort mode or eco pro mode.
However I would only advise using Eco Pro mode on motorways etc, as it severely dumbs the throttle down which I don't like in my humble opinion.
Edited by Tomy90 on Friday 5th May 14:36
You echo my thoughts exactly re the rain, I've spent a bit of time in the damp in my mate's E61 M5 and I didn't end up upside down on fire.
The next post will be a picture of it upside down on fire
Yipper said:
They are a nightmare in the wet. And it rains a lot in Britain. And a nightmare on bumpy, twisty roads. Saw a (predecessor) red M135i nearly spin out under heavy braking on the M1 just a few days ago. The driver was racing another vehicle and had missed the slowing traffic ahead, slammed on the anchors at the last second, and the backend swung round to a 45-degree angle. Missed the central reservation and a couple cars around him by inches. Looked a right piece of junk.
Seriously... The driver racing the other driver is probably the issue here, how about its possible that another car may have not stopped or lost control entirely? Im sure that example, whilst its given you a bad impression of the BMW, is not representative of the car. Having spent 25,000miles in one, driving it hard through every conceivable weather condition I can categorically confirm that its not a nightmare in any situation. Admittedly there are surfaces where the car performs better than others (like every car), i.e very bumpy roads can unsettle the car where it loses body control - but ultimately it was never designed to be a B-Road weapon and its only apparent when really pushing on... Yet still its not a nightmare, you simply learn to dial it back a bit when the roads are really choppy.
As for the rain? Its no different to any other RWD car I have driven? I am afraid your criticism is based on watching the Top Gear Review and this clown nearly crashing in the wet on the M1?
Edited by russy01 on Friday 5th May 14:53
Yipper said:
They are a nightmare in the wet. And it rains a lot in Britain. And a nightmare on bumpy, twisty roads. Saw a (predecessor) red M135i nearly spin out under heavy braking on the M1 just a few days ago. The driver was racing another vehicle and had missed the slowing traffic ahead, slammed on the anchors at the last second, and the backend swung round to a 45-degree angle. Missed the central reservation and a couple cars around him by inches. Looked a right piece of junk.
Absolute rubbish, sounds like he lost control as he was driving too fast for the conditions. I have an M2 and they are not a nightmare in the wet if driven sensibly. D4MJT said:
Yeah the EcoPro looks good for dull commuting duties!
You echo my thoughts exactly re the rain, I've spent a bit of time in the damp in my mate's E61 M5 and I didn't end up upside down on fire.
The next post will be a picture of it upside down on fire
Yeah I still remember the salesmen pitch to on the M235i, he was saying the Sport, Comfort & Eco Pro modes gave the 3 personalities which was, the fun country road car, daily driver & motorway cruiser.You echo my thoughts exactly re the rain, I've spent a bit of time in the damp in my mate's E61 M5 and I didn't end up upside down on fire.
The next post will be a picture of it upside down on fire
Which I would say he is mostly right, just do not expect eco pro mode to make the cars mpg skyrocket.
From my experience it only really adds about 1mpg, which it does that by making the air con etc worse.
And yeah don't worry about damp etc, the cars traction control is really good.
Just take your time getting used to the car and the tyres really need heat into them to work at their best.
Haha do not say that, you should be fine considering I jumped from a basic Peugeot RCZ to a M235i you should be fine.
Edited by Tomy90 on Friday 5th May 15:04
Tomy90 said:
Haha do not say that, you should be fine considering I jumped from a basic Peugeot RCZ to a M235i you should be fine.
Due to my 7 series selling in 90 minutes when I expected it to take months, I've been driving a 68bhp Ford Ka since February.Edited by Tomy90 on Friday 5th May 15:04
I doubt I'll make it out of the collection bay without fire and explosions
Tomy90 said:
HJMS123 said:
It's rumored that the next one series will be a FWD turbo 4 pot so get them while you can! I have a feeling the next 140i will be 4 pot and AWD though as that is what the market wants ... so it seems 
I am not so sure they are going to do that now to be honest, considering all these rumours came out before the 2 series Active Tourer came out, which from what I have heard has not sold well.I also think the BMW M2 has helped to increase the demand for the 1 series and 2 series.
Plus it is a unique selling point BMW offer compared to there rivals, in my humble opinion would be crazy to lose in search of profit margin.
There have also been pictures of a mild facelift of the existing car - so maybe they will keep this one going for a while longer and the fwd comes in 2020 ?
BMW are stuck between the masses that can't tell FWD to RWD and the small volume performance model that they'd probably rather keep RWD.
I suspect the 1 series will go FWD as rumoured. 2 series will stay as it is as RWD. You want a fast RWD smallish car ? buy a 2 series. Want a diesel hatch ? buy a 1 series. the Mlite version of the hatch would be a 2 litre turbo 4 pot with AWD.
Crazy alternate theory:
1 series goes FWD. No Mlite model. Essentially an overgrown mini in a different skin with a BMW badge.
2 Series becomes available in saloon and hatch body. Mlite version of both.
Yipper said:
They are a nightmare in the wet. And it rains a lot in Britain. And a nightmare on bumpy, twisty roads. Saw a (predecessor) red M135i nearly spin out under heavy braking on the M1 just a few days ago. The driver was racing another vehicle and had missed the slowing traffic ahead, slammed on the anchors at the last second, and the backend swung round to a 45-degree angle. Missed the central reservation and a couple cars around him by inches. Looked a right piece of junk.
Thats right, every time it rains there are 1 & 2 series cars falling off the roads everywhere. Or not.Edited by Crafty_ on Friday 5th May 16:14
They must be a little bit challenging. That's the point of a hugely powerful short wheelbase, wide track rwd car. But it's pretty obvious that driven with a little sense they are of course fine in all conditions.
I'm pretty sure the modern dual clutch 4x4 and fwd hot hatches have allowed many drivers to absolutely take the piss and get away with it. Will these be the ones who get so caught out in a powerful rwd? You won't be able to be as crack handed in a 1 series. But again, that's the point, more demanding of the driver.
I'm pretty sure the modern dual clutch 4x4 and fwd hot hatches have allowed many drivers to absolutely take the piss and get away with it. Will these be the ones who get so caught out in a powerful rwd? You won't be able to be as crack handed in a 1 series. But again, that's the point, more demanding of the driver.
Yipper said:
They are a nightmare in the wet. And it rains a lot in Britain. And a nightmare on bumpy, twisty roads. Saw a (predecessor) red M135i nearly spin out under heavy braking on the M1 just a few days ago. The driver was racing another vehicle and had missed the slowing traffic ahead, slammed on the anchors at the last second, and the backend swung round to a 45-degree angle. Missed the central reservation and a couple cars around him by inches. Looked a right piece of junk.
Yipper making up a story again? There is a surprise! I wonder exactly how many of your posts would be left if they didn't involve you either writing what you find on the first page of a Google search and dressing it as your own "knowledge" or merely fabricating a fictional situation, or a "mate" with a particular car? I'd be happy to stake my life on the fact that there wouldn't be many left at all!Hungrymc said:
They must be a little bit challenging. That's the point of a hugely powerful short wheelbase, wide track rwd car. But it's pretty obvious that driven with a little sense they are of course fine in all conditions.
I'm pretty sure the modern dual clutch 4x4 and fwd hot hatches have allowed many drivers to absolutely take the piss and get away with it. Will these be the ones who get so caught out in a powerful rwd? You won't be able to be as crack handed in a 1 series. But again, that's the point, more demanding of the driver.
Exactly, all cars have limits - just as you wouldn't start throwing a fwd hot hatch around at high speed in poor weather you don't do it with the mlite. They are quite different of course, but the result would be the same, just a case of which end reaches the ditch first.I'm pretty sure the modern dual clutch 4x4 and fwd hot hatches have allowed many drivers to absolutely take the piss and get away with it. Will these be the ones who get so caught out in a powerful rwd? You won't be able to be as crack handed in a 1 series. But again, that's the point, more demanding of the driver.
The problem with the Golf R (to my mind) is its a bit boring, it goes very fast but there is no feeling, you may as well get a 1.4 model and drive slower. The mlite has better driver involvement and therefore, satisfaction.
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