600bhp 1 Series
Discussion
Court_S said:
That’s some pretty serious upgrades to the car again. This must be an absolute beast.
Marc always seemed like a good bloke when I bought parts from him. Shame he’s so far away from me.
Cheers chief.Marc always seemed like a good bloke when I bought parts from him. Shame he’s so far away from me.
It’s definitely quite a handful. As daft as it sounds I’m fairly used to it now, so although it’s massively quick I drive it every day anyway and it’s sort of normal.
I’ve got a PD130 A6 I use now and again which definitely puts the performance into perspective
Clearly gonna be meth next
I love this project! However, to drop from 40 mpg on a run to 27 mpg isn't what I'd expect. Surely the bigger turbos are boosting less when on a light throttle? I wonder if some live mapping could rescue a few mpg. Not that that's the point, it's 600 bhp for Christ's sake! But to lose 13 mpg when cruising sounds to me like it's overfuelling. Also my old E55 could touch 26 mpg on a run, so surely even with big turbos this 140 should be more efficient than the big old Merc? Either way, keep up the great work!
CarPrintGuy said:
I love this project! However, to drop from 40 mpg on a run to 27 mpg isn't what I'd expect. Surely the bigger turbos are boosting less when on a light throttle? I wonder if some live mapping could rescue a few mpg. Not that that's the point, it's 600 bhp for Christ's sake! But to lose 13 mpg when cruising sounds to me like it's overfuelling. Also my old E55 could touch 26 mpg on a run, so surely even with big turbos this 140 should be more efficient than the big old Merc? Either way, keep up the great work!
Thanks for your reply! It’s a reasonable point to make. It’s on a whole different map now so I will do a new “economy” run soon once the last revision is sorted, we’ll see where we’re at!Just ordered 60L of Ethanol so will be looking to dial in ethanol map v soon, then get it on the dyno.
Small update, nothing massively exciting..
I collected 60L of VP Racing's finest X98 Ethanol the other week, so that's sat in the garage waiting for some time off and good weather to get the E map dialled in.
I then let my younger brother have a go, first time I've been a passenger in it in a very long time! In his words "F*** me that's scary"
It was fairly uncomfortable from the passengers seat too in fairness.
Finally last night I got round to changing out my spark plugs. They've done nearly 17k so I wanted to change them for piece of mind before pushing the car on an E tune. All 6 looked reasonable, no evidence of oil or degradation to the plugs themselves, maybe a little on the lean side but to be fair to the plugs they've been through quite a bit of tuning to get the car to where it is now. Oil change again tomorrow as I ran out of time, going back to Fuchs 5w/40 fully synth.
Some new OE TU plugs replaced these, gapped to 0,022".
I also had the opportunity to take my pals M2 Comp for a spin.
I drove the M2C, and he drove my 140.
My impressions were that the M2C is absolutely a lot more surefooted than my car is, however I've not done masses suspension wise yet really, that's very much next on the list. Power wise it was a long way behind the 140 and felt it, and in all honesty I'm not sure which gearbox changed faster. The DCT is lovely to use but I'm not sure it's any faster than the HP70 swap in my 140.
Interesting experience for sure. The M2C is a lovely place to be and the seats are delightful, it definitely feels more special inside.
If anyone does have instahamz and wants to follow me, my tag is @D4MJT
I collected 60L of VP Racing's finest X98 Ethanol the other week, so that's sat in the garage waiting for some time off and good weather to get the E map dialled in.
I then let my younger brother have a go, first time I've been a passenger in it in a very long time! In his words "F*** me that's scary"
It was fairly uncomfortable from the passengers seat too in fairness.
Finally last night I got round to changing out my spark plugs. They've done nearly 17k so I wanted to change them for piece of mind before pushing the car on an E tune. All 6 looked reasonable, no evidence of oil or degradation to the plugs themselves, maybe a little on the lean side but to be fair to the plugs they've been through quite a bit of tuning to get the car to where it is now. Oil change again tomorrow as I ran out of time, going back to Fuchs 5w/40 fully synth.
Some new OE TU plugs replaced these, gapped to 0,022".
I also had the opportunity to take my pals M2 Comp for a spin.
I drove the M2C, and he drove my 140.
My impressions were that the M2C is absolutely a lot more surefooted than my car is, however I've not done masses suspension wise yet really, that's very much next on the list. Power wise it was a long way behind the 140 and felt it, and in all honesty I'm not sure which gearbox changed faster. The DCT is lovely to use but I'm not sure it's any faster than the HP70 swap in my 140.
Interesting experience for sure. The M2C is a lovely place to be and the seats are delightful, it definitely feels more special inside.
If anyone does have instahamz and wants to follow me, my tag is @D4MJT
Another couple of months has passed, this year is just flying by.
Updates for the 140 then, some good, some not as good.
I can't remember if I'd mentioned it in a previous update but last time the oil was dropped we moved to a fully synth Millers 0w/30. Immediately the car started to use oil fairly impressively, and I was topping up around a litre every 4-500 miles. So I've since dropped the oil again and gone back to Fuch's Titan Race 5/w40. Not used a drop since so that's good
Also at the same time chucked in a magnetic sump plug:
Disclaimer* Although the inappropriate footwear is inexcusably mine, the beaker sat on the engine bay is my 2yr old daughters, I can manage a big boys glass these days. Almost.
Oil change done and some actual sunshine for a few weeks, I had a couple of runs out in it which was nice. I was parked next to a new Megane RS the other week, and I was staggered by the size of the thing! It made the 140 look like a toy in comparison.
And I also managed to get up to the Hartside Pass which is always a nice drive. I bumped into fellow PH'er ScottOs up there when he was running in his new Yaris GR, they're a properly impressive bit of kit!
Last in my series of "my car parked up with other cars" shots
Had to nab a photo of this as I can't remember the last time I saw one, came back to the car the other day and a really smart E32 750iL had parked next to me. MOT History shows it's just been recommissioned after over 10 years off the road.
And that brings me nicely up to my first mechanical failure. Had to happen didn't it!
The diff died a horrible death sadly. I noticed a "brake caliper sticking" sort of chirping whilst parking up at low speed, however braking made no difference to the noise, so I knew it wasn't going to be as simple as something stuck in the dust shield etc.
Up on a ramp and it was fairly easy to establish the diff was not a happy chappy
I believe YouTube video's are allowed nowadays, so if you fancy a chuckle: https://youtu.be/hyRiSiO0n8s
Due to it being an unplanned failure, we've just stuck another OE diff back in as handily Marc had a lightly used one on the shelf and I needed the car as it's obviously in daily use.
Still, the stock diff didn't do badly really, way over factory power for the vast majority of it's working life and 75k miles on the clock now.
I think I may have an M Performance LSD sorted in the next week or so, so it's probably not going to be in there long. Handily it's only about an hours work to swap the diff's, super easy job.
We also fitted some PowerFlex Black Series diff bush inserts whilst we were there.
So, 1 mechanical failure, but bar that, still in good fighting order and generally behaving itself.
Updates for the 140 then, some good, some not as good.
I can't remember if I'd mentioned it in a previous update but last time the oil was dropped we moved to a fully synth Millers 0w/30. Immediately the car started to use oil fairly impressively, and I was topping up around a litre every 4-500 miles. So I've since dropped the oil again and gone back to Fuch's Titan Race 5/w40. Not used a drop since so that's good
Also at the same time chucked in a magnetic sump plug:
Disclaimer* Although the inappropriate footwear is inexcusably mine, the beaker sat on the engine bay is my 2yr old daughters, I can manage a big boys glass these days. Almost.
Oil change done and some actual sunshine for a few weeks, I had a couple of runs out in it which was nice. I was parked next to a new Megane RS the other week, and I was staggered by the size of the thing! It made the 140 look like a toy in comparison.
And I also managed to get up to the Hartside Pass which is always a nice drive. I bumped into fellow PH'er ScottOs up there when he was running in his new Yaris GR, they're a properly impressive bit of kit!
Last in my series of "my car parked up with other cars" shots
Had to nab a photo of this as I can't remember the last time I saw one, came back to the car the other day and a really smart E32 750iL had parked next to me. MOT History shows it's just been recommissioned after over 10 years off the road.
And that brings me nicely up to my first mechanical failure. Had to happen didn't it!
The diff died a horrible death sadly. I noticed a "brake caliper sticking" sort of chirping whilst parking up at low speed, however braking made no difference to the noise, so I knew it wasn't going to be as simple as something stuck in the dust shield etc.
Up on a ramp and it was fairly easy to establish the diff was not a happy chappy
I believe YouTube video's are allowed nowadays, so if you fancy a chuckle: https://youtu.be/hyRiSiO0n8s
Due to it being an unplanned failure, we've just stuck another OE diff back in as handily Marc had a lightly used one on the shelf and I needed the car as it's obviously in daily use.
Still, the stock diff didn't do badly really, way over factory power for the vast majority of it's working life and 75k miles on the clock now.
I think I may have an M Performance LSD sorted in the next week or so, so it's probably not going to be in there long. Handily it's only about an hours work to swap the diff's, super easy job.
We also fitted some PowerFlex Black Series diff bush inserts whilst we were there.
So, 1 mechanical failure, but bar that, still in good fighting order and generally behaving itself.
Finally the stars aligned and I had some free time on a nice evening with decent weather this week, and got the E30 map dialled in nicely for the car.
The car responded really well to E30 and there is a significant power bump, reflected in the Dragy time I put out. I think on a cooler night and when I've got the shift points set up better in xHP there's without doubt a low 6 in the car as it is. This was with me shifting manually.
Still very very pleased with that, it's a properly quick time for 62-124mph (100-200kmh)
I had a quick look online and that now puts it ahead of far more exotic machinery such as the Ferrari Enzo, 599GTB, Mercedes McLaren SLR, 991 Turbo S etc. Obviously that's just one stat, I'm not for a second trying to suggest a little 1 series would hold a candle to those cars, but I think it's still very impressive for what is still a completely stock unopened engine with a few bolt-ons effectively. The B58 is a brilliant engine.
It's hilariously good fun. I've organised a dyno day at JM Imports in October for some pals and I, so we'll see what it's putting out this year in it's current trim shortly.
The car responded really well to E30 and there is a significant power bump, reflected in the Dragy time I put out. I think on a cooler night and when I've got the shift points set up better in xHP there's without doubt a low 6 in the car as it is. This was with me shifting manually.
Still very very pleased with that, it's a properly quick time for 62-124mph (100-200kmh)
I had a quick look online and that now puts it ahead of far more exotic machinery such as the Ferrari Enzo, 599GTB, Mercedes McLaren SLR, 991 Turbo S etc. Obviously that's just one stat, I'm not for a second trying to suggest a little 1 series would hold a candle to those cars, but I think it's still very impressive for what is still a completely stock unopened engine with a few bolt-ons effectively. The B58 is a brilliant engine.
It's hilariously good fun. I've organised a dyno day at JM Imports in October for some pals and I, so we'll see what it's putting out this year in it's current trim shortly.
J4CKO said:
That is an amazing 100 - 200 time, faster than an Enzo ! mind boggling for what is a small hatchback.
Thanks mate, quite surreal. To be honest it doesn't actually feel that dramatic, I think I'm quite "used" to it now as I do loads of miles in the car, but a few pals who have been in it have all commented that although the speedo gathers pace sharply, it doesn't "feel" as ridiculous as they expected it to beA little revision to the map and no baggage in the car resulted in a new best effort.
I've also bought a spare rear subframe for the car. I'm getting restless hands on the evenings so over the next few weeks I'm going to strip the standard bushes out of this, clean it up and get it powdercoated, then start gathering polybushes and bushing it up as part of a suspension swap out / refresh / upgrade.
Little October update. It was time for rear tyres again, so that seemed like a good excuse for a decent clean up, so I whipped the rear wheels off, removed all the weights and cleaned the barrels up of any remaining adhesive and gave them a good machine polish, seal and wax before taking it for new boots. I think the lad fitting the tyres thought I was some sort of psychopath.
They're starting to get the odd bit of bubbling corrosion here and there, but generally they really are in pretty good order for a set of wheels that have done 4 winters and almost 80,000 miles.
Managed to press mini-me into action 'helping' as well
That sort of spiralled into a proper clean up, so I whipped the seats out again and hoovered / cleaned the carpets up properly and got a chance to really clean the seats down as well, back to looking pretty factory fresh again now, it's mad the difference a real decent clean with a fabric brush attachment for the drill and some good leather cleaner makes to the colour.
I also organised a dyno day with a few local lads and mates down at JM Imports again. Almost a year since the car was last on the dyno there, and a few map improvements etc. I dropped the oil again beforehand and put fresh in:
A nice day out and the car ran really well, making 631bhp and 635ft-lb's.
Feels great, stronger than ever so I'm really happy with it. I'm going to get it in for a transmission service again this week to keep the box fresh and then basically it'll be a case of just taking it easy over winter and stockpiling suspension refresh parts to hit that in the spring.
At the moment, I'm planning to fit port methanol injection next summer and try and get it to 700bhp. We'll see, that's the plan currently!
Thanks for reading if you made it this far!
They're starting to get the odd bit of bubbling corrosion here and there, but generally they really are in pretty good order for a set of wheels that have done 4 winters and almost 80,000 miles.
Managed to press mini-me into action 'helping' as well
That sort of spiralled into a proper clean up, so I whipped the seats out again and hoovered / cleaned the carpets up properly and got a chance to really clean the seats down as well, back to looking pretty factory fresh again now, it's mad the difference a real decent clean with a fabric brush attachment for the drill and some good leather cleaner makes to the colour.
I also organised a dyno day with a few local lads and mates down at JM Imports again. Almost a year since the car was last on the dyno there, and a few map improvements etc. I dropped the oil again beforehand and put fresh in:
A nice day out and the car ran really well, making 631bhp and 635ft-lb's.
Feels great, stronger than ever so I'm really happy with it. I'm going to get it in for a transmission service again this week to keep the box fresh and then basically it'll be a case of just taking it easy over winter and stockpiling suspension refresh parts to hit that in the spring.
At the moment, I'm planning to fit port methanol injection next summer and try and get it to 700bhp. We'll see, that's the plan currently!
Thanks for reading if you made it this far!
Max M4X WW said:
Nice update, I struggle to get my head round it as my leased stock M135i I had back in 2014 made 330bhp I think!
Thanks.Yeah it's mad isn't it. The B58 in the 40i cars only made about 10-15bhp more than the outgoing N55 in the 35i cars, but it's so much stronger in comparison and you can push it hard.
It's a closed deck block design as opposed to the N55 with liners, and it's got things like the girdle plate that bolts across the bottom of the main end bolts to help strengthen the block even more etc. There's some silly numbers in the states on stock block B58's.
I've still got this as well.
I still haven't gotten around to sorting the suspension refresh, however I'm determined to sort it over the winter this year.
It's had a new 3.5" downpipe and midpipe made this year which is insanely loud, and a bit too much for me tbh, so it'll be getting a silencer / resonator added soon.
Apart from that it's just disgusting reliable for what it is, and very silly in a straight line indeed. Incidentally, I've never owned a car as long as I've owned this one, coming up for 5.5 years now and I've got no plans of changing it at all.
I still haven't gotten around to sorting the suspension refresh, however I'm determined to sort it over the winter this year.
It's had a new 3.5" downpipe and midpipe made this year which is insanely loud, and a bit too much for me tbh, so it'll be getting a silencer / resonator added soon.
Apart from that it's just disgusting reliable for what it is, and very silly in a straight line indeed. Incidentally, I've never owned a car as long as I've owned this one, coming up for 5.5 years now and I've got no plans of changing it at all.
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