BMW 2002Tii (ish)
Discussion
RDMcG said:
Brilliant job and very impressed with your ability and progress !
Thankyou, i've even surprised myself in some ways. I've always understood a lot of theory behind things but until you're there doing it its hard to grasp what you need to put into the job. Lots of things wont be perfect but it's been a steep learning curve!avenger286 said:
Brilliant work and can't wait to see what happens in 2018 with this.
ZX10R NIN said:
Superb work.
Cheers Guys, quite a lot to update but want to get a few jobs finished first rather than post half-finished updates. Brief one below anyhow!Parts have been showing up thick and fast, most importantly my seats and my wheels! I've only had time to mock the seat up on the driver’s side but need to find time to bolt it in on the mock strips of steel I cut, then I can draw up a proper sub frame cad drawing to have cut.
Ill experiment in seating position too, whether I move it more towards the centre tunnel or not and whether I hard mount to get the seat lower or keep it on the runners. Ideally I’d like to keep it on the runners so my other half can have a go! Few pics of the chosen seats below, over the moon with them!
My tyres showed up a good few weeks ago and the wheels have taken around 8 weeks at least, worth the wait and they are exactly what I wanted. I played it safe with a 195-50 all round and with the rear tyres being 8 inch wide they are a tiny bit stretched, in hindsight I should have just risked it with a 205-50 out back as there’s plenty of clearance, the fronts sit perfect!
Some pics below, you’ll be able to tell which ones were by the better half! (She’s a photographer)
Sensible daily coming in handy!
On the car:
With the engine as it stands:
Manifold, oil pump, windage tray are all due to show up this week and then I can get my engine buttoned up at last. I’ve a few little bits and bobs to have made, gauge take off adapters and the like and then we can start on getting all the sensors and injectors ordered up and do an engine wiring loom whilst it is out of the car.
I’m also looking to bin off the servos whilst the engine is out and it’ll be easier to do the kunifer lines. Does anyone have a rough schematic of how I should run the lines off the master cylinder? I’ve seen it done a number of ways is all, some seem to split up the dual lines to the fronts between the two cylinders on the MC, some seem to do 1 line to them with a T nearer the calliper? Also where’s the best place to get fittings/ the correct size brake pipe? I’ve never made up or even looked into brake lines before really.
Thanks for reading,
Scott
Edited by scottos on Monday 5th February 12:55
Looks great as ever. Wheels are perfect.
Give James a call re the brake lines and ditching the servo.
Any idea when you'll be up and running? Been chatting to James and we are going to organise a Cornwall ''drive it day'' weekend. Will include some dyno runs (hopefully) and ramp time for any maintenance or running repairs. There are some great roads down here and some stunning rendezvous points, as you can imagine.
Give James a call re the brake lines and ditching the servo.
Any idea when you'll be up and running? Been chatting to James and we are going to organise a Cornwall ''drive it day'' weekend. Will include some dyno runs (hopefully) and ramp time for any maintenance or running repairs. There are some great roads down here and some stunning rendezvous points, as you can imagine.
e30m3Mark said:
Looks great as ever. Wheels are perfect.
Give James a call re the brake lines and ditching the servo.
Any idea when you'll be up and running? Been chatting to James and we are going to organise a Cornwall ''drive it day'' weekend. Will include some dyno runs (hopefully) and ramp time for any maintenance or running repairs. There are some great roads down here and some stunning rendezvous points, as you can imagine.
Cheers Mark, i was like a little kid when i got them on and into place with the wood! The rear could have potentially come out another 5mm, even with a 205 on at a guess but i'd rather they were 5mm too far in than 5mm too far out!Give James a call re the brake lines and ditching the servo.
Any idea when you'll be up and running? Been chatting to James and we are going to organise a Cornwall ''drive it day'' weekend. Will include some dyno runs (hopefully) and ramp time for any maintenance or running repairs. There are some great roads down here and some stunning rendezvous points, as you can imagine.
I've not idea if im honest, i was hoping for summer but we'll see. One of the DID's will be on the cards as soon as the car is ready, if not this year then it will be next!
I've got a friend with one of james old cars so he's going to send me some pics when he can. I dont much like hassling people when im not sending much their way in terms of buying associated parts etc. Hassling anyone tends to be my last port of call haha
A few bits and bobs have happened, I find that as im getting older im turning into more of a fair weather person in all aspects, gym, mountain biking, working on the car…
First off my care package from Jaymic turned up, this included one of their race manifolds, an e21 oil pump (the one I had was on its wear limits), a windage tray and a few other bits and bobs. This all allowed me to get my engine buttoned up!
The manifold is going to be tricky to fit once the engine is in, shorter studs were in order but these seem like hens teeth to find but there was 8 on a shelf at the engine builders I help out at, very handy! It needed new studs anyway but these saved me lots of sawing time!
The money shot!
Finally getting the gearbox back together too, 4 new gears and all new syncro’s plus a rebuild kit with gasjets and seals etc.
All was going great until we noticed the clutch pivot pin was bent, on closer inspection the casing has cracked too. Turns out these clutch pivot pins were only steel in really early boxes and doubly hard to find! I’ve got the measurements as I was going to have one machined, if anyone struggles in the future then let me know and I could get one made.
The casing it being welded up/ machined this week or next then we should be back in business! Hugely thankful to a great fella called Luke who sent me a clutch pivot pin FOC, stating a donation to a charity would suffice! I like to try and donate monthly to some form of cause anyway so was only too happy to oblige. Received in quick time and was chuffed with how well it dressed up, it even still has the oiling felt intact!
The sump I got with the car had already had a boss welded on when I got it so I got an adapter and had it machined to accept the temp sender for the gauge I’ve got. You may notice the oil pressure adapter/ braided line off the back of the cylinder head in the full engine shot too.
Im going to fit this where the Tii clock should be, sacrilege to some I know but my clock is quite scruffy and doesn’t work and fitting this dual gauge there will keep the centre console less cluttered as someday I may end out doing a console delete. I need to get an adapter made up to make up the difference between the size of my Racetech gauge and the Tii clock.
Another little progression was the badges on the car. A friend, Gordon, dropped some struts off a couple of months back and pointed out my badges were too new! He kindly donated some old metal enamelled badges which I was hugely chuffed with, they are nicely ‘patina’d’ and intend to leave them like this.
It turns out the rear badge on my car was actually the same as the front badge that had been fitted, only with the pegs taken off and blu-tacked on… The holes have been filled during previous restoration. For now I’m going to leave the car badgeless at the back.
Im currently collecting brake line parts inc a new master cylinder. I’ll be removing the servo’s so if anyone wants a working set for a not silly amount then fire me a message. Just trying to get hold of the rest of the fitting now and I can set about making the lines up and ill be running a bias valve to the rear.
Other than this I’ve still got the suspension to strip off again and send away to be converted. I cant wait for the return product, really excited for that one!
Plenty to do but hopefully have it running for summer in some form or another!
Thanks for reading,
Scott
First off my care package from Jaymic turned up, this included one of their race manifolds, an e21 oil pump (the one I had was on its wear limits), a windage tray and a few other bits and bobs. This all allowed me to get my engine buttoned up!
The manifold is going to be tricky to fit once the engine is in, shorter studs were in order but these seem like hens teeth to find but there was 8 on a shelf at the engine builders I help out at, very handy! It needed new studs anyway but these saved me lots of sawing time!
The money shot!
Finally getting the gearbox back together too, 4 new gears and all new syncro’s plus a rebuild kit with gasjets and seals etc.
All was going great until we noticed the clutch pivot pin was bent, on closer inspection the casing has cracked too. Turns out these clutch pivot pins were only steel in really early boxes and doubly hard to find! I’ve got the measurements as I was going to have one machined, if anyone struggles in the future then let me know and I could get one made.
The casing it being welded up/ machined this week or next then we should be back in business! Hugely thankful to a great fella called Luke who sent me a clutch pivot pin FOC, stating a donation to a charity would suffice! I like to try and donate monthly to some form of cause anyway so was only too happy to oblige. Received in quick time and was chuffed with how well it dressed up, it even still has the oiling felt intact!
The sump I got with the car had already had a boss welded on when I got it so I got an adapter and had it machined to accept the temp sender for the gauge I’ve got. You may notice the oil pressure adapter/ braided line off the back of the cylinder head in the full engine shot too.
Im going to fit this where the Tii clock should be, sacrilege to some I know but my clock is quite scruffy and doesn’t work and fitting this dual gauge there will keep the centre console less cluttered as someday I may end out doing a console delete. I need to get an adapter made up to make up the difference between the size of my Racetech gauge and the Tii clock.
Another little progression was the badges on the car. A friend, Gordon, dropped some struts off a couple of months back and pointed out my badges were too new! He kindly donated some old metal enamelled badges which I was hugely chuffed with, they are nicely ‘patina’d’ and intend to leave them like this.
It turns out the rear badge on my car was actually the same as the front badge that had been fitted, only with the pegs taken off and blu-tacked on… The holes have been filled during previous restoration. For now I’m going to leave the car badgeless at the back.
Im currently collecting brake line parts inc a new master cylinder. I’ll be removing the servo’s so if anyone wants a working set for a not silly amount then fire me a message. Just trying to get hold of the rest of the fitting now and I can set about making the lines up and ill be running a bias valve to the rear.
Other than this I’ve still got the suspension to strip off again and send away to be converted. I cant wait for the return product, really excited for that one!
Plenty to do but hopefully have it running for summer in some form or another!
Thanks for reading,
Scott
e30m3Mark said:
The devil is in the detail.
I like the small roundel early cars had to the right of the rear plate. Would be ideal here.
That cam cover is rather swish. As is the 4 branch.
Really looking forward to seeing it fire up.
Thanks Mark, my pal gave me a small rear one but sadly there's no holes in the rear panel any more so it'll just have to do without for now. Maybe a small sticker in the future!I like the small roundel early cars had to the right of the rear plate. Would be ideal here.
That cam cover is rather swish. As is the 4 branch.
Really looking forward to seeing it fire up.
The cam cover was a bit extravagant but i was sick of mucking on with the breather plate and i thought the nod to Heideggers Le Man win was apt for the build! Manifolds for RHD 02's are thin on the ground as im sure you're aware and this seemed the best option, just a bonus it looks great too
I cant wait for it to fire up too, im hoping itll be a day i remember forever (and for the right reasons haha)
Hoping yours is going well, not noticed any further updates as yet which i hope means youve been getting some seat time!
scottos said:
Hoping yours is going well, not noticed any further updates as yet which i hope means youve been getting some seat time!
Actually I'm on holiday in Barbados but whilst here ARM are doing a few of the smaller finishing touches, like AFR gauge and fitting my 4 branch. Hopefully I can then enjoy using it. 
Richair said:
Looking good, not far to go now I guess?
Cheers, i keep thinking that in my head for a split second then remember everything there is to do haha it's certainly getting there and ill feel a lot better once the gearbox is back together! Hopefully after that it'll be engine wiring to do, general wiring to link it all up, i need to redo the brake lines to bin the dual servos off and then get it all fitted in the car. Then there's the seat mounting to finish, suspension to get made, exhaust to get made and all the other bits and bobs then see about getting it fired up and moving. Im hoping for summer this year and hopefully get it ran in, then cage over next winter and track it/ euro trip it in 2019, time will tell i suppose.
e30m3Mark said:
Actually I'm on holiday in Barbados but whilst here ARM are doing a few of the smaller finishing touches, like AFR gauge and fitting my 4 branch. Hopefully I can then enjoy using it.
haha awesome, barbados will do instead, Mark! Plus if you're coming back to the car with all those bits sorted you'll be doubly as happy!
Hit a decent milestone last weekend so thought i'd drop this picture in!
I've done a terrible job at keeping up to date on this thread, a lot has happened since the last update and its literally just fitting it all back together now!
Im waiting on suspension (approx 3 more weeks), then can fit the brakes out and bleed everything through, my custom short shifter, rejigged exhaust mani and then onto wiring and what not. Still need to make up the recessed sub frames too and sort the interior out but its getting there. Will retrospectively update the thread at some point!
Thanks,
Scott
............especial during summer.Thanks for the comments guys, a long over due update. I've summarised it rather a lot though!
Time for an update, I’ve been pretty useless at updating this post the last few months but lifes just been busy I guess. The below is a brief skim over the progress.
First off was the gearbox, this had been in bits for nearly a year and it really needed to go back together to get the enthusiasm up! We got it all together and it ran through the gears great but the gear stick wasn’t self centering. Having no experience with 2002’s or old gearboxes I thought this was just how they were until I did some digging on the internet. It turns out the selector shaft bushing was turned 180 degrees the wrong way so the indent for the spring and plunger self center system didn’t work. We had this back apart and sorted in double quick time.
Lever test fitted again and now returns the centre, happy days!
Next job was to bin the servos off and fit a new master cylinder, time to remove these big lumps and the rats nest of brake pipes!
I also bought a bias valve to place in the cabin which will help with the rear brake bias. I used some bulkhead fittings in the transmission tunnel to pipe this in.
Whilst inside I fitted the Ireland Engineering accelerator pedal and also sorted my centre console out. Kooglewerks in USA do a very nice gauge console and dual cup holder so these were duly purchased and fitted up. The Ireland Engineering pedal wasn’t a straight fit on a RHD car but wasn’t much of a problem. I measured up and ordered a needle roller bearing ad a clip which I fitted on the pedal rod, it’s very smooth now and springs back itself.
Finished article, just wiring of the gauges:
With the brake/ clutch lines all done it was time to get the engine back in:
Started fitting other bits and bobs, catch can for instance and also sorted the blank air filter backplate for the itb’s:
Also received the short shifter back that I had had made, really chuffed with this:
And with that the gearbox went in along with the newly refurbished prop shaft which gave the correct alignment of the engine to start test fitting the exhaust manifold in the car. This has been a bit of a pain but will hopefully be worth it. It had to be sent back to have Number 4 rebent, which solved the clash against the side of the engine bay. The rest of the primaries went on fine but number 2 is still a bit too close for comfort, this cant be rebent as it will hit the steering coupling so the engine bay has been ‘massaged’. The collector was supposed to be 2.25 outlet but arrived as 2 inch, this worked out for the best though as a flared it out so it would meet the V band fitting perfectly. This is getting welded on and a lambda boss putting in.
Excuse the duct tape, it’s about the extent of my fab skills!
Ill hopefully get all that sent away for ceramic coating soon, as you can see this is needed as it comes close to EVERYTHING!
Now the next item is one of my favourite parts of the car. It’s been a long time in the making, where I initially made contact with Nitron before Christmas, half hoping they would tell me they weren’t interested. They were though so that was that! Fast forward and the end result is below:
This is their R1 kit which features combined compression and rebound adjustment. Castor and camber are adjustable up front via the top mounts. I wanted to keep the rear divorced spring/ shock but they will do coilover rears too. The shocks are designed to be mounted with OEM rubber top mounts, I fitted polybushed ones where the hole was larger than OEM so I had to have a sleeve made up to suit.
These are all now fitted up and im extremely happy with the quality of the kit, certainly a ‘you get what you pay for’ part. With them fitted I could get the brakes on. I hit a snag with the rears as the VW discs come in 10 & 12mm and I didn’t realised. Typically I ordered the wrong ones, waiting for the right ones to turn up and hopefully that’ll be that sorted.
In the meanwhile I’ve fitted the new slave cylinder for the clutch and refitted a new OEM centre tie rod. The New Moog one has perished even just fitted to the car with 0 miles!
Not a millions miles off now, still need to make seat sub frames, do all the wiring. Send it off for an exhaust once the manifold has been coated, then hopefully itll just be snagging and setting up. I’ve missed the summe deadline now which sucks but not to worry, here’s to enjoying the car in 2019 I hope!
Thanks for reading,
Scott
Time for an update, I’ve been pretty useless at updating this post the last few months but lifes just been busy I guess. The below is a brief skim over the progress.
First off was the gearbox, this had been in bits for nearly a year and it really needed to go back together to get the enthusiasm up! We got it all together and it ran through the gears great but the gear stick wasn’t self centering. Having no experience with 2002’s or old gearboxes I thought this was just how they were until I did some digging on the internet. It turns out the selector shaft bushing was turned 180 degrees the wrong way so the indent for the spring and plunger self center system didn’t work. We had this back apart and sorted in double quick time.
Lever test fitted again and now returns the centre, happy days!
Next job was to bin the servos off and fit a new master cylinder, time to remove these big lumps and the rats nest of brake pipes!
I also bought a bias valve to place in the cabin which will help with the rear brake bias. I used some bulkhead fittings in the transmission tunnel to pipe this in.
Whilst inside I fitted the Ireland Engineering accelerator pedal and also sorted my centre console out. Kooglewerks in USA do a very nice gauge console and dual cup holder so these were duly purchased and fitted up. The Ireland Engineering pedal wasn’t a straight fit on a RHD car but wasn’t much of a problem. I measured up and ordered a needle roller bearing ad a clip which I fitted on the pedal rod, it’s very smooth now and springs back itself.
Finished article, just wiring of the gauges:
With the brake/ clutch lines all done it was time to get the engine back in:
Started fitting other bits and bobs, catch can for instance and also sorted the blank air filter backplate for the itb’s:
Also received the short shifter back that I had had made, really chuffed with this:
And with that the gearbox went in along with the newly refurbished prop shaft which gave the correct alignment of the engine to start test fitting the exhaust manifold in the car. This has been a bit of a pain but will hopefully be worth it. It had to be sent back to have Number 4 rebent, which solved the clash against the side of the engine bay. The rest of the primaries went on fine but number 2 is still a bit too close for comfort, this cant be rebent as it will hit the steering coupling so the engine bay has been ‘massaged’. The collector was supposed to be 2.25 outlet but arrived as 2 inch, this worked out for the best though as a flared it out so it would meet the V band fitting perfectly. This is getting welded on and a lambda boss putting in.
Excuse the duct tape, it’s about the extent of my fab skills!
Ill hopefully get all that sent away for ceramic coating soon, as you can see this is needed as it comes close to EVERYTHING!
Now the next item is one of my favourite parts of the car. It’s been a long time in the making, where I initially made contact with Nitron before Christmas, half hoping they would tell me they weren’t interested. They were though so that was that! Fast forward and the end result is below:
This is their R1 kit which features combined compression and rebound adjustment. Castor and camber are adjustable up front via the top mounts. I wanted to keep the rear divorced spring/ shock but they will do coilover rears too. The shocks are designed to be mounted with OEM rubber top mounts, I fitted polybushed ones where the hole was larger than OEM so I had to have a sleeve made up to suit.
These are all now fitted up and im extremely happy with the quality of the kit, certainly a ‘you get what you pay for’ part. With them fitted I could get the brakes on. I hit a snag with the rears as the VW discs come in 10 & 12mm and I didn’t realised. Typically I ordered the wrong ones, waiting for the right ones to turn up and hopefully that’ll be that sorted.
In the meanwhile I’ve fitted the new slave cylinder for the clutch and refitted a new OEM centre tie rod. The New Moog one has perished even just fitted to the car with 0 miles!
Not a millions miles off now, still need to make seat sub frames, do all the wiring. Send it off for an exhaust once the manifold has been coated, then hopefully itll just be snagging and setting up. I’ve missed the summe deadline now which sucks but not to worry, here’s to enjoying the car in 2019 I hope!
Thanks for reading,
Scott
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