BMW 2002Tii (ish)
Discussion
deadslow said:
sir, you are a legend! 
Ha, thanks, too kind.Mark Benson said:
Always enjoy these updates.
shalmaneser said:
This is going to be such a lovely car!
Thanks, i hope so!e30m3Mark said:
Really nice work. The suspension kit looks great and I'm half tempted to see what they offer for the E30?
When the time comes I would certainly speak with Compbrake re callipers, although the one's your running work really well in my experience.
Thanks Mark, they've done e30 kits for a long while now. Their e30 m3 kit is awesome, available in R1 spec (same as mine, combined compression and rebound) and R3 which is 3 way adjustable, external reservoirs etc.When the time comes I would certainly speak with Compbrake re callipers, although the one's your running work really well in my experience.
When i looked into the brakes it certainly seems that what i've got will be plenty good enough but i think i'd like to get some weight out of the front end at some point and those e12 calipers are real heavy!
Hey all, a brief update following on from the last one.
I had a bit of a chew on with the rear brakes, the kit was on the car when I bought it and came from America. I knew they used Jetta GLA callipers/ carriers and mk1 golf front discs but that was about it. The first set of discs I bought required me to shim out the calliper but were too thick for me to fit the DS2500 pads I’d got hold of. I then bought a different set of discs that were 2mm thinner, thinking this is where I had gone wrong. It turned out the disc offset was different too so I had to get the carrier skimmed:
This was a bit of a pain and they could maybe do with a tiny bit more off but ill see how they get on. Quick enough to do! The idea for now is that I can buy easily available off the shelf parts as replacements. In the future ill re-visit the brakes and go for a more lightweight set-up but I think what I’ve got should be great until then.
This finally allowed me to bleed the system, it all went rather well until I noticed a bit of a weep on the footwell side of the pedal box on the clutch master cylinder about 2 weeks after bleeding. I’d replaced the brake master cylinder but at the time the clutch one seemed fine, typical! You can see where the weep has taken the paint off the pedal box:
I’ve removed this to be sent off for sleeving/ refurbishment this week.
Hopefully this can return soon and I can get it refitted and re-bled again!
I also finally sorted the exhaust manifold out, im still anxious about how close it is to everything and may end out using a solid passenger side engine mount to keep it all in check. Im still running a new 'track and road' spec gearbox mount so dont think it'll be too bad either way.
Anyway, i had to send it away for coating before fitting and the best option seemed to be to get a V-band tig'd onto the end of the collector, luckily the competition engine builders i help out at are very good at this! I also had them weld in a lambda boss, just in case. I flared the end out so it matched the recess on the inside of the flange and had it welded:
The other half is stainless ready for the rest of the system down the line:
The exit is spot on to carry the exhaust on when it comes to it:
Manifold back from coating following the above:
I was over the moon with how it came out but I’m still in shock at the price. I could have had it done in a cheaper coating but the thermal properties didn’t make it worth getting done at all. In for a penny, in for a pound (or lots of them!). Luckily I hadn’t fitted the manifold otherwise removing the clutch master would have been a nightmare! To be honest im not looking forward to fitting the manifold at all, half because of the colour and half because its just a chew but it’ll hopefully pay off!
Meanwhile I got the higher cooling capacity radiator fitted and the electric cooling fan. Im hoping I’ll run this automatically off the ecu! Along with this came the Ireland Engineering water hose kit, new thermostat and stainless water bypass pipe. The hoses out of site didn’t fit properly so I re-used the good condition original ones, they look like they’ve been replaced in recent years anyway, I was just being a tart with the IE ones.
You can also see the fuel filter mount I knocked up quickly out of a bracket and new bosch filter.
Lastly for this update I asked a local fabricator if he’d be willing to knock up some seat frames for my seats. I tried them in with some flat bar and they felt too high so I asked if he could make them recessed, I then used inboard cobra runners that mounted direct to the base of the seats. This allowed us to get them around an inch lower and the seating position feels great. These need a small amount more fettling and ill get them in satin black. You’ll notice a theme with my interior and satin black ha!
As the last update, the wiring is one of the last things now before I can get it fired up, this includes all the gauges etc too. I got some injectors off my friend (left over Porsche 964 injectors from his race car that should see me fine up to 200hp) that’s going to help with the wiring so hopefully that’s the last piece of the puzzle and we can crack on over winter.
This brings the thread more or less up to date. Not a massive amount of progress but at the same time these little bits were all playing on my mind so it feels great. I’ve got a bit of saving to do and hopefully in the next month or two ill get the cage and harnesses ordered up. This car is an absolute dream for me and I’ve probably spent more time than I should have sat in the driver’s seat procrastinating since I got it in!
As always, thanks for reading and I hope it may be of interest to some!
I had a bit of a chew on with the rear brakes, the kit was on the car when I bought it and came from America. I knew they used Jetta GLA callipers/ carriers and mk1 golf front discs but that was about it. The first set of discs I bought required me to shim out the calliper but were too thick for me to fit the DS2500 pads I’d got hold of. I then bought a different set of discs that were 2mm thinner, thinking this is where I had gone wrong. It turned out the disc offset was different too so I had to get the carrier skimmed:
This was a bit of a pain and they could maybe do with a tiny bit more off but ill see how they get on. Quick enough to do! The idea for now is that I can buy easily available off the shelf parts as replacements. In the future ill re-visit the brakes and go for a more lightweight set-up but I think what I’ve got should be great until then.
This finally allowed me to bleed the system, it all went rather well until I noticed a bit of a weep on the footwell side of the pedal box on the clutch master cylinder about 2 weeks after bleeding. I’d replaced the brake master cylinder but at the time the clutch one seemed fine, typical! You can see where the weep has taken the paint off the pedal box:
I’ve removed this to be sent off for sleeving/ refurbishment this week.
Hopefully this can return soon and I can get it refitted and re-bled again!
I also finally sorted the exhaust manifold out, im still anxious about how close it is to everything and may end out using a solid passenger side engine mount to keep it all in check. Im still running a new 'track and road' spec gearbox mount so dont think it'll be too bad either way.
Anyway, i had to send it away for coating before fitting and the best option seemed to be to get a V-band tig'd onto the end of the collector, luckily the competition engine builders i help out at are very good at this! I also had them weld in a lambda boss, just in case. I flared the end out so it matched the recess on the inside of the flange and had it welded:
The other half is stainless ready for the rest of the system down the line:
The exit is spot on to carry the exhaust on when it comes to it:
Manifold back from coating following the above:
I was over the moon with how it came out but I’m still in shock at the price. I could have had it done in a cheaper coating but the thermal properties didn’t make it worth getting done at all. In for a penny, in for a pound (or lots of them!). Luckily I hadn’t fitted the manifold otherwise removing the clutch master would have been a nightmare! To be honest im not looking forward to fitting the manifold at all, half because of the colour and half because its just a chew but it’ll hopefully pay off!
Meanwhile I got the higher cooling capacity radiator fitted and the electric cooling fan. Im hoping I’ll run this automatically off the ecu! Along with this came the Ireland Engineering water hose kit, new thermostat and stainless water bypass pipe. The hoses out of site didn’t fit properly so I re-used the good condition original ones, they look like they’ve been replaced in recent years anyway, I was just being a tart with the IE ones.
You can also see the fuel filter mount I knocked up quickly out of a bracket and new bosch filter.
Lastly for this update I asked a local fabricator if he’d be willing to knock up some seat frames for my seats. I tried them in with some flat bar and they felt too high so I asked if he could make them recessed, I then used inboard cobra runners that mounted direct to the base of the seats. This allowed us to get them around an inch lower and the seating position feels great. These need a small amount more fettling and ill get them in satin black. You’ll notice a theme with my interior and satin black ha!
As the last update, the wiring is one of the last things now before I can get it fired up, this includes all the gauges etc too. I got some injectors off my friend (left over Porsche 964 injectors from his race car that should see me fine up to 200hp) that’s going to help with the wiring so hopefully that’s the last piece of the puzzle and we can crack on over winter.
This brings the thread more or less up to date. Not a massive amount of progress but at the same time these little bits were all playing on my mind so it feels great. I’ve got a bit of saving to do and hopefully in the next month or two ill get the cage and harnesses ordered up. This car is an absolute dream for me and I’ve probably spent more time than I should have sat in the driver’s seat procrastinating since I got it in!
As always, thanks for reading and I hope it may be of interest to some!
Interior looks absolutely bang on.
I recall back in the day, the 4 branches available for RHD cars ran very close to the steering box and heat transfer could be an issue. I seem to recall wrapping mine in heat reflective cloth but hopefully that coating will keep things in check?
Overall it's looking awesome though. You must be very happy?
I recall back in the day, the 4 branches available for RHD cars ran very close to the steering box and heat transfer could be an issue. I seem to recall wrapping mine in heat reflective cloth but hopefully that coating will keep things in check?
Overall it's looking awesome though. You must be very happy?
e30m3Mark said:
Interior looks absolutely bang on.
I recall back in the day, the 4 branches available for RHD cars ran very close to the steering box and heat transfer could be an issue. I seem to recall wrapping mine in heat reflective cloth but hopefully that coating will keep things in check?
Overall it's looking awesome though. You must be very happy?
Cheers Mark, i love the interior and very happy how its turned out so far. Just needs the cage and Schroth's ordering and fitting to finish it off!I recall back in the day, the 4 branches available for RHD cars ran very close to the steering box and heat transfer could be an issue. I seem to recall wrapping mine in heat reflective cloth but hopefully that coating will keep things in check?
Overall it's looking awesome though. You must be very happy?
Yes you're right there, that's half the thinking around the ceramic coating, the coating i've gone for reduces surface temps up to 33%. I've also bought a universal heat blanket i may be able to trim to suit the steering box. I'll hopefully get all that stuff out of the way when i fit the exhaust mani, once the clutch master cylinder comes back.
Mark Benson said:
I agree, it's looking great, real attention to detail.
Cheers Mark, appreciate it!e30m3Mark said:
Those seats look 100 times better than e21 Recaro's did.
So how long till you're power sliding out of corners?
Im glad you think that, i think they do as well. The e21's were comfortable but just didn't look right and the seat swap has worked out pretty cost neutral with the price the recaros fetch.So how long till you're power sliding out of corners?
There's no rush now with us going into winter so it'll probably just be a slow plod until the spring but i'd like it to be ready for then so i can start getting some miles on the thing!
One step closer mind, I got a spare bit of time in the garage last night. Porsche 964 injectors fitted great with the Jenvey supplied fuel rail spacers. Luckily my mate has a surplus of these with all the 964’s he does, the injectors max out at 300ish hp so are often swapped out, hopefully they’ll do my 2002 good until later down the line when I’ll need to go bigger.
Few pics:
daniel-5zjw7 said:
Wow what an awesome build, hats off to you, love seeing cars rebuilt & modified in this way. Guessing using your own skills and those around you has saved you a fortune!!
Thanks! Yes it has, its the only way i could (barely) afford to do it. If i had to pay others it either wouldnt happen or it would take 5 times longer. It's been great learning along the way too!Small update, my clutch master has returned after a few weeks away, it’s been bored out and sleeved/ refurbished. It looks and feels great so im looking forward to refitting it:
Following on from this I plan to make the brake lines in the front wheel wells from the flexi’s to the callipers. These are the only lines I’ve not redone and it appears they may be leaking from the sleeve nuts that go into the callipers. Now is the time to remake them being that ill need to bleed the system anyway, teaches me for trying to cut corners eh! Hopefully that’ll be that sorted! Once this is sorted I can fit the new tie arms that showed up last week and ill almost be at the point where not 1 thing hasn’t been replaced or refurbished!
Following this I can FINALLY fit the exhaust manifold, im kind of dreading this but cant wait to get it on. I’ve also ordered the rest of the exhaust, I’ve found a performance system in the right size that will come up short of my manifold outlet. I plan to have a transition piece made with a flexi that will join the 2. Looking forward to this showing up and getting it on the car!
I’ve also ordered the roll cage, bad news is that its on 20-22 week lead time, a little frustrating. Apparently all cages are made to order and that how long the list is. After speaking with various people I’ve decided against a 6 point cage and instead have requested the rear section only with the mounts for the front section deleted. I’ve added a X brace instead of a diagonal and also added a harness bar. With the rear end carpeted out I think it’ll really give the car that ‘clubsport’ sort of look and feel which is what I was really aiming for.
I’ve also ditched the fancy rocker cover I had fitted, for a few reasons. It was a bit too ‘bling’ in hindsight and took away from the rest of the engine bay, I got offered a good price for it, it was at least 3 times heavier than the original! I also didn’t like the original one I had in black with the raised bits in silver and I didn’t like it in all silver after soda blasting.
The competition engine builders I help out at gets a lot of classic competition engines through it and I’ve always loved crackle black on some of the lotus twin cam engines so I thought I’d give it a go. I’ve done 3 covers now, one for a friend and two of my own. I also found the metal oil cap with roundel on ebay so quickly grabbed that and gave that a coat too. I had some paint left once all that had been done and have taken the catch can off for better access to the clutch master cylinder, so did that too. The engine bay shot shows the crackle rocker but with the more modern plastic oil cap and the catch can still in aluminium.
It turns out the spray bar support to the front of the engine was in the wrong place too, an oversight on my part so quickly sorted this out whilst in there, still looks good!
As always the wiring is left to do, throttle cable etc but im slowly getting through the rest of the job to ensure the wiring etc will be the last thing moving into the New Year. I’m really hoping its all ready to get some miles on it moving into the spring.
Following on from this I plan to make the brake lines in the front wheel wells from the flexi’s to the callipers. These are the only lines I’ve not redone and it appears they may be leaking from the sleeve nuts that go into the callipers. Now is the time to remake them being that ill need to bleed the system anyway, teaches me for trying to cut corners eh! Hopefully that’ll be that sorted! Once this is sorted I can fit the new tie arms that showed up last week and ill almost be at the point where not 1 thing hasn’t been replaced or refurbished!
Following this I can FINALLY fit the exhaust manifold, im kind of dreading this but cant wait to get it on. I’ve also ordered the rest of the exhaust, I’ve found a performance system in the right size that will come up short of my manifold outlet. I plan to have a transition piece made with a flexi that will join the 2. Looking forward to this showing up and getting it on the car!
I’ve also ordered the roll cage, bad news is that its on 20-22 week lead time, a little frustrating. Apparently all cages are made to order and that how long the list is. After speaking with various people I’ve decided against a 6 point cage and instead have requested the rear section only with the mounts for the front section deleted. I’ve added a X brace instead of a diagonal and also added a harness bar. With the rear end carpeted out I think it’ll really give the car that ‘clubsport’ sort of look and feel which is what I was really aiming for.
I’ve also ditched the fancy rocker cover I had fitted, for a few reasons. It was a bit too ‘bling’ in hindsight and took away from the rest of the engine bay, I got offered a good price for it, it was at least 3 times heavier than the original! I also didn’t like the original one I had in black with the raised bits in silver and I didn’t like it in all silver after soda blasting.
The competition engine builders I help out at gets a lot of classic competition engines through it and I’ve always loved crackle black on some of the lotus twin cam engines so I thought I’d give it a go. I’ve done 3 covers now, one for a friend and two of my own. I also found the metal oil cap with roundel on ebay so quickly grabbed that and gave that a coat too. I had some paint left once all that had been done and have taken the catch can off for better access to the clutch master cylinder, so did that too. The engine bay shot shows the crackle rocker but with the more modern plastic oil cap and the catch can still in aluminium.
It turns out the spray bar support to the front of the engine was in the wrong place too, an oversight on my part so quickly sorted this out whilst in there, still looks good!
As always the wiring is left to do, throttle cable etc but im slowly getting through the rest of the job to ensure the wiring etc will be the last thing moving into the New Year. I’m really hoping its all ready to get some miles on it moving into the spring.
Legacywr said:
Funnily, those seats are the only part of this car that I don’t like.
I guess a project like this is always going to be personal. A buddy builds and looks after many classic 911's orientated around track/ hillclimb work and he gets in an awesome 964 on bbs e88's, half cage and these seats (well the posh version made by Recaro i think!) and thats always been the vision. I hope with the cage it plays out!What seats would you have in mind? I always enjoy hearing/ seeing what everyone would do or has done differently!
Justin S said:
Nothing to change with this build if it was mine. Looks fantastic. I remember a guy who used to break '02's when they were worth pennies, including Tii's
Thanks Justin. Yes i remember looking at these years ago when they were for nothing and a few friends i've made since buying this car have had multiple cars since those days. One friend told me he hasnt ever paid more than £2500 for a Tii, crazy to think they start at 10x that now really!CarlosV8 said:
Fantastic project, looking forward to seeing further progress!
What paint did you use for the rocker cover? I'm just about to start refurbing one for my 205 and I think that finish would look just right.
Thanks Carlos, i used VHT black wrinkle paint, Im not sure if i can post links on here but its available on eBay for around £12 and although the can is quite small there's plenty in it!What paint did you use for the rocker cover? I'm just about to start refurbing one for my 205 and I think that finish would look just right.
I found heat is your friend with it, heat the object up with a heat gun and heat the can whilst you're mixing it and keep the object warm for the 5 minutes between coats. I was then giving it around 15 mins to settle after all the coats then subjecting it to some proper heat from the heat gun. When dry to touch i left the things on top of the radiator for a couple of days much to my other half's objections!
My first properly nice 02, a white car that had a full body restoration, cost me £700. A dealer offered me 1500 the next day, but I kept it for a couple of years. It's one of those cars I wish I had never sold. (HKL 298L) A pub landlord bought it for his son. It was ruined within a few weeks and last time I saw it, was on flat tyres with the interior missing. Such a sad sight.
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