BMW 2002Tii (ish)

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keeef

340 posts

163 months

Saturday 11th January 2020
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https://flic.kr/p/2ibFENA

Posted on another thread on here! wink

scottos

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1,146 posts

125 months

Monday 13th January 2020
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1602Mark said:
Looks great Scott.

Going to see mine tomorrow. I'm hoping it'll be ready for Goodwood Retro Rides event.
Thanks Mark, be glad when it's back together, just hope the gearbox bill isnt too bad!

Great to see you back on with yours, hope you're out making noise in it soon!

keeef said:
https://flic.kr/p/2ibFENA

Posted on another thread on here! wink
Thanks for sharing, rare old beast that one! Funnily enough the place i dropped my gearbox off at last month had a turbo in, first one i've seen in person!

scottos

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1,146 posts

125 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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Well it's been a little while since the last update but i've been putting plenty of time into the car, which typically is now all in vain now! I dont tend to have much spare time but i'd made it to sort the car out and now i've got lots more time with this virus business but i should be grateful either way in that i am able to keep my job and simply work from home.

I left the last post with a small job list to do whilst my gearbox was at Retro Engineering. I basically ignored all of this and waited until my box was ready to give me the motivation and cracked on over a weekend or two and a few shifts on the evenings after work.

The gearbox was fine other than the engagement sleeve, previously mentioned. Unfortunately it had taken 2No syncro bands with it (that were new!) because new bands wont bed into worn engagement sleeves, total bill in parts only was £600. Thats 2 syncro bands, 1 engagement sleeve, gaskets etc. The Service from Retro Engineering was great as before and i went to collect in person again.

Once i'd got the box home i put it next to the car, which id neglected for awhile, to remind me i needed to pull my finger out.

IMG_20200218_170436 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

The first small job i needed to do was helicoil the holes on the front of the gearbox that hold the inspection plate on. The gearbox is approximately 50 years old and these threads hadnt faired too well over the years. I thought i'd try a kit off ebay and that if i messed it up i'd take it into the engine builders i help out at to be done properly. I'm glad to say the kit i got off ebay worked great!

IMG_20200225_175210 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200225_175219 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200225_174840 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

I'd also re-sealed the stud for the exhaust manifold in number 4 exhaust port and cleaned up all of the surfaces ready for the new gasket:

IMG_20200309_200007 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

I was now ready to start fitting the gearbox. Now last time i fitted it my mate basically did it with my help but i wanted to be able to do it myself ideally. I nearly regretted it a few times but got there in the end!

I basically had to slacken off the engine mounts as much as possible and wedge the engine up between the subframe and the sump so it dropped as it went into the transmission tunnel. I then put as much left hand down lock on as i could to get the steering drag link out of the way and sort of rolling hugged the gearbox under the car and bench pressed it up. Once the input shaft was passed the splines on the clutch disc i had to kick the wedge out and it wiggled straight back into its home. Holding the gearbox end up with one hand whilst trying to fit the rear gearbox support was hard work after all of that. Doesnt sound much to it but that was a couple of hours work!

Pictures of it back in place, with clutch slave, front cover and speedo cable reinstalled:

IMG_20200308_171221 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200308_160324 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr


Bolted up and starting motor/ wiring back in place:

IMG_20200308_171242 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

Exhaust and propshaft re-fitted, prop received new hardware:

IMG_20200309_195928 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200309_200123 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

With all this done, the main big task left to do was to fit the exhaust manifold, the bit i had been dreading! I'd had all the flanges ground flat and i wire wheeled off the primaries where the collector goes on as well as the inside of the collector. With this exhaust you have to hang 2,3 and 4 primaries over the steering column and tilt the engine over to get them all on in a specific order, then you can fit number 1, which is up and over.

Picture below of them hanging:

IMG_20200312_175823 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

All loosely bolted in place and the resulting underside shot:

IMG_20200312_192324 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200312_182100 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

With this the collector can slide on and once the locating bolts are in the flanges can be nipped up:

IMG_20200312_191006 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200312_191024 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

You'll notice the manifold is getting quite manky now, less and less care has been taken over time whilst handling it so it is what it is sort of thing. The stains to the underside and the collector are from the base mapping where the brake fluid reservoir dumped itself on the manifold!

Once its all fitted you tend to need to get it all up to temperature and then tighten the flange nuts up tight. It blew slightly on its first start but i got it all sorted for no blows after that. That's the other thing to note, 4 months its sat for and after getting the oil pressure built up it fired straight away. EFI just takes that further anxiety step out of your head, awesome stuff!

Patrick1964

698 posts

232 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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What an utterly lovely thing. Another one of my “nearly bought one of those years ago when they were peanuts” regrets. I suppose the one good thing about increasing values on cars like this is that more of them will be saved.

1602Mark

16,205 posts

174 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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Looks great as ever.

scottos

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1,146 posts

125 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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Continued...

The braking problem. I previously mentioned that i think this is down to the geometry on the front wheels being out but because the front calipers used to be dual circuit (fed off a single line with the servo delete) and then the Wilwood calipers are single circuit, the lines to the front werent the best anyway. On the right hand side the line was also too close to the manifold and i hadnt realised until i removed the heat management that the brake line was getting far too hot!

IMG_20200301_132021 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

You can also see here where i had a single line going into a T, which then fed the two circuit caliper, which i then blanked off rather than making a new line previously (not proud, sorry):

IMG_20200301_131748 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

I decided to use a bulkhead fitting and run the line in the wheel well, away from the hot exhaust. I've used these in the past to do the bias valve to the rear brakes. I love these fittings, just not drilling a 15.5mm hole in the car. I also located this within the protection of the heat shield i needed to make for the brake master cylinder.

IMG_20200303_174728 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200310_191543 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

I'd also got some new brake lines made up by HEL, they have a great custom online order page where you can build your flexis via a number of drop down menu's. The ones that came with the kit had a fixed end on them and were generally not good quality.

IMG_20200310_130138 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200310_190224 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200310_190252 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

I'd also bought a new sealey pressure bleeder to do all the brakes and the clutch and this made life really easy for a lonesome car tinkerer. I was using one of the gunson ones off an inflated tyre previously and in hindsight it was a right pain!

A couple of people had also warned me about the poly steering couplers so i thought i'd best check it and just as well i did.

IMG_20200229_164324 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

Doest seem they can handle the heat on RHD cars so worth checking for anyone running one.

With the jobs complete it was back down onto its wheels again for the first time in 4 months or so. I'd got sign off from a cat in the village to do so, as the below picture shows!

IMG_20200317_175130 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

With this i had my first run out of 2020 (this was the weekend before last)

IMG_20200315_141321 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

What a thing, i really did forget how much fun it is and what sort of feeling it gives you when you're out driving it. This was also the first time i'd driven it properly post mapping last year. It really does go well now for what it is! It makes an incredible noise and when you're on a gentle over run at 1500rpm or so you get the odd loud back fire and pops which are always entertaining! These are loud cracks higher up the revs when you're driving properly.

I've had it out twice since then, both times last weekend before the inevitable 'lock down', once with the now pregnant missus (excellent timing but both very happy anyway!) to pop into my mums and the other time i went out on my own for my usual a686 blast. The braking is 80% better and im hoping the geo sorts the other 20% out. I got a good feel for the performance when i ran it from Hartside Cafe down to Melmerby and then back up, one of my favorite bits of road. It did highlight a problem with my steering coupling, however and a good friend has a second hand one in the post to me at the moment, the new rubber disk is fine but the clamp onto the steering column isnt doing much clamping it seems! I think this will be my fault for being overzealous with the little hub splitter tool i made.

IMG_20200321_162120 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

Now parked back up for the foreseeable, I've not cleaned it for about 4-5 months so ill at least get chance to do that soon!

IMG_20200315_134900 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

RC1807

12,543 posts

169 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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I love this car

AMG V12

39 posts

95 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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Absolutely lovely stuff! Could only dream of mine looking as good as yours! I can imagine that the EFI is a real bonus, but you miss out on the fun of stressing about the carb and choke! Here's to getting through the lockdown and back out on the road soon enough!

shalmaneser

5,936 posts

196 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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I fitted a gearbox to my e46 M3 and the thought of bench pressing that into position.... no way! must be the best part of 40kg. I guess your box must be lighter but that is still a hell of an achievement.

next time get a gearbox jack - makes it so much easier!

still loving the car, looks amazing. Isn't there some blowing around that collector, or do you put some sealant on it before tightening it up?

Krikkit

26,536 posts

182 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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RC1807 said:
I love this car
Me too, looks and sounds absolutely mint.

When's your other half due? Might get in the way of enjoyment once the lockdown's off. biggrin

scottos

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1,146 posts

125 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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The other small update i had was a new steering wheel. Now im still torn between the Momo Prototipo i originally bought and this new one but the latter being 380mm opposed to the Prototipos 350mm really does make that little bit of difference at low maneuvering speeds.

I must confess i wasnt actively looking for a new steering wheel but one weekend when i was at the competition engine builders i help out at i stumbled across this rather tasty steering wheel upstairs:

IMG_20200229_110424 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200229_110810 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

They've been having a shift around of parts upstairs to create more space and there's a hoard of group A bmw 635csi spares up there for one of the cars we look after. Apparently way back when they broke the original motorsport steering wheel whilst moving the car around the pit garages and this was in the spares package that came with the Eggenberger built car. With it being ripped they borrowed another one off a friend and local company (JC Racing) whilst this one was to get retrimmed, that was 30+ years ago!

Now i liked the idea of owning this wheel but sadly this one had to stay in the spares pile but it had set the wheels in motion. I'd had a brief look online for these wheels but none were for sale and old adverts i had found had them advertised for a lot of money. I set a saved search on ebay just in case and after a couple of weeks one pinged up, i checked it and looked at the price and bought it straight away.

IMG_20200313_144140 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200313_160638 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200313_160743 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200313_162035 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

Now i really like this wheel but in pictures im not 100% set on it. In person i feel its just about perfect with it being 380mm and really like the look. I've been running it since without the horn push surround as below:

IMG_20200314_161847 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

I'll be running it like this for the foreseeable, potentially refitting the horn push surround at some point for final consideration. In the meanwhile i'm going to keep my eye out for a motorsport wheel and/or a period 380mm Prototipo.

Also i took some random engine bay shots post winter fettling once it was all back together. I missed these off the original post so hope you enjoy.

IMG_20200312_194925 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200314_162950 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

Appreciate the comments and chat as always,

Scott

scottos

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1,146 posts

125 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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Patrick1964 said:
What an utterly lovely thing. Another one of my “nearly bought one of those years ago when they were peanuts” regrets. I suppose the one good thing about increasing values on cars like this is that more of them will be saved.
Thank You Patrick, appreciate it. I hear you there, i've wanted one for a long time and like the beginning of my story with this car it was a now or never type scenario.

1602Mark said:
Looks great as ever.
Cheers Mark, looking forward to seeing yours get sorted!

RC1807 said:
I love this car
Glad you do, thanks, i do most of the time as well!

AMG V12 said:
Absolutely lovely stuff! Could only dream of mine looking as good as yours! I can imagine that the EFI is a real bonus, but you miss out on the fun of stressing about the carb and choke! Here's to getting through the lockdown and back out on the road soon enough!
Thank You and that did cross my mind you know, the fun of a carb'd car and i did nearly put it on carbs way back when but i had that many things to sort on the car the carb anxiety was just another one on the long list. Most of them have gone now but there's still a few left!

You're right, i hope this Covid-19 business is over sooner rather than later for everyones sake.

shalmaneser said:
I fitted a gearbox to my e46 M3 and the thought of bench pressing that into position.... no way! must be the best part of 40kg. I guess your box must be lighter but that is still a hell of an achievement.

next time get a gearbox jack - makes it so much easier!

still loving the car, looks amazing. Isn't there some blowing around that collector, or do you put some sealant on it before tightening it up?
haha thank you, I think mine is more like 30-35kg's so lighter and all the weight is to one end really. My quickjack system only has the car around 500mm off the floor and limits side access to the underside. I did start off using a jack and a cradle but i didnt fit underneath with enough space to take the reigns with all of that under there laugh i did start to regret my decision at first but once i had it figured out it went quite well.

Yes, you're right it would 100% blow without pasting up the ends of the primaries, a lesson learned from the first time i fitted it biggrin

Krikkit said:
Me too, looks and sounds absolutely mint.

When's your other half due? Might get in the way of enjoyment once the lockdown's off. biggrin
Thank you matey, i do have a short clip of the noise that the missus got which ill upload onto youtube soon. It's up a bank near the house so it gets the noise out of it really well under a bit of load, the only thing is we rather quickly catch up to an officer of the law laugh backed off just in time.

Shes due around the end of September but luckily she's a great missus, shes not the type to really stop me doing anything i want to do as long as its not really stupid and i'd like to think im the same with her but we'd both be naive to think we will have much spare time after she pops laugh

scottos

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1,146 posts

125 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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Here's a short pull up a bank near me, as mentioned above (wont let me embed). I'll get some proper inside and out videos sorted once we can get out again, now its all mapped properly!

https://youtu.be/hpMlKIFUBR0

1602Mark

16,205 posts

174 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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The best thing about this thread (for me) is it reminds me that I've got one of these myself. Mine is well on its way to becoming a barn find though. wink

Looks great Scott.

''Great Scott!''

Sorry. rolleyes

5harp3y

1,943 posts

200 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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lovely car!

1602Mark

16,205 posts

174 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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Nice MoMo wheel although can't help thinking a Petri would be better with the rest of the interior. I'm clearly biased though.

scottos

Original Poster:

1,146 posts

125 months

Wednesday 25th March 2020
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5harp3y said:
lovely car!
Thank You, appreciate it.

1602Mark said:
Nice MoMo wheel although can't help thinking a Petri would be better with the rest of the interior. I'm clearly biased though.
Cheers Mark, not interested in the the Petris though, especially for the money they command. Think they look great in standard or standard-ish looking cars but I want something a little racier in this biggrin

scottos

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1,146 posts

125 months

Tuesday 7th April 2020
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Small update.

I mentioned the steering coupling not doing a great job of being a coupling in a previous post. Postage still seems to be working great at the moment so my good friend posted me an old spare which turned up quickly. A couple of the nuts were seized, which was nice for once as it took more time up to sort, in the strange times where we are finding ourselves with more time!

I got it painted using the standard house issue painting line:

IMG_20200404_122401 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

Back together including horn earth wiring 'fix' and new hardware:

IMG_20200404_172217 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200404_172224 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

This all works miles better now, the splines are smooth in the coupling and it all clamps with minimum bolt tightening and thankfully the horn still works!

After the previous video i noticed the shift light is coming on a little early. I've not really had a look around the ecu, almost scared to touch it! I upped the shift light rpm though and had a poke around the ecu:

IMG_20200404_124317 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200404_124829 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

The ecu also continuously logs data so i set that up to log parameters that are appropriate to the inputs/ outputs i have on this car. This ecu is far over and above what this car needs but its good to know there's headroom for further playing in the future! I found its also kept a tally of 'power on' time and also 'engine on' time. This helps to prove the fastidious bedding in process i went through with the engine! Generally i'm more about longevity than really really revving it so i'll likely self limit to around 7K rpm but there's a little headroom if ever needed (or wanted).

IMG_20200404_130020 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

Whilst i was messing around in the garage i gave the car a quick going over with quick detailer to get the road grime off, it comes up great:

IMG_20200404_135942 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

Lastly, and to bring us up to date, i noted in my previous post i wasnt 100% set on the Alpina wheel and that i'd continue to search for a works BMW Motorsport one. Now i've not seen one pop up for sale whilst i've owned this car and all of a sudden one popped up! It's not great timing with everything thats going on in the world and the fact i've just bought the Alpina one but it had to be done!

IMG_20200406_093629 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200406_101907 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200406_093637 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

This is the proper period works wheel with the BMW part number at the base. It's made by Italvolanti and they later brought out a very similar wheel called the Indianapolis in the 80's that some try and pass off as this wheel. It's also got the ATI-3 stamp which dictates the size, 375-380mm. It also came with the optional cover, which i wont be running.

I bought a Momo to Italvolanti adapter from design911 and wasted no time fitting it:

IMG_20200406_182755 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200406_193337 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200406_185103 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

Final result, i'm over the moon with it. The silver ties in with the colour of the car and the silver shaft of the dtm shifter and really pulls it all together for me:

IMG_20200406_184934 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200406_184926 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200406_185052 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

IMG_20200406_185030 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

Sadly thats it for now, doing our part and staying in as much as possible so hopefully it'll all blow over quicker but time will tell!

Thanks for reading,

Scott







rdodger

1,088 posts

204 months

Tuesday 7th April 2020
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Perfection!

That new wheel is a perfect match. The whole car is bang on, well done. I love it!

Perhaps it's time for me to start scanning the classifieds.

Filibuster

3,165 posts

216 months

Tuesday 7th April 2020
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Absolutely beautiful what you have achieved here!

Now that is a proper build thread, thank you very much for many hours of enjoyable reading and hats off to you skills!

ETA

The Italvolanti Motorsport wheels looks absolutely spot on and is generally a nicer design than the 4 spoke Alpina Wheel, imho.

Edited by Filibuster on Tuesday 7th April 13:23