BMW 2002Tii (ish)
Discussion
rdodger said:
Perfection!
That new wheel is a perfect match. The whole car is bang on, well done. I love it!
Perhaps it's time for me to start scanning the classifieds.
Thank You, im glad you agree with the wheel. I'm really over the moon with it.That new wheel is a perfect match. The whole car is bang on, well done. I love it!
Perhaps it's time for me to start scanning the classifieds.
Now is the time to buy one if you've got cash burning a hole in your pocket, plenty of tinkering time! The uk02 forum is probably the best place for a decent purchase.
Filibuster said:
Absolutely beautiful what you have achieved here!
Now that is a proper build thread, thank you very much for many hours of enjoyable reading and hats off to you skills!
ETA
The Italvolanti Motorsport wheels looks absolutely spot on and is generally a nicer design than the 4 spoke Alpina Wheel, imho.
Thanks for your kind words and incredible you've sat and read it all, im both grateful and sorry Now that is a proper build thread, thank you very much for many hours of enjoyable reading and hats off to you skills!
ETA
The Italvolanti Motorsport wheels looks absolutely spot on and is generally a nicer design than the 4 spoke Alpina Wheel, imho.
Edited by Filibuster on Tuesday 7th April 13:23
1602Mark said:
Much better steering wheel. I've never been a fan of the Alpina one's (obviously I was never going to put that till now) and I used to run one of these for years. I never had one where the horn pushes worked though! 
I'm sure I've got a silver 02 somewhere.
Haha i didnt think you were a fan. I love the wheel when its not on the car and i do like it without the horn pad thing but i still wasnt 100% of it. What i was 100% on was the 380mm size over the 350mm prototipo. I think the Alpina and prototipo can go on the wall in the house or something I'm sure I've got a silver 02 somewhere.
I hope yours is still seeing some progression despite the lockdown.
scottos said:
I hope yours is still seeing some progression despite the lockdown.
Unfortunately suspension is still a couple of weeks away and the diff is still at engineering shop awaiting collection once reopened. 
I may see if I can persuade ARM to let me have a couple of days on cleaning it up or something like that?
Bobberoo99 said:
Excellent thread, caught up on a couple of months worth of updates this morning, love what you've done the car looks amazing and sounds epic!!!
Thanks for the kind words, appreciate it. I really do love the sound of it but fear on track days it'll ping the fly by meters, its so shrill up at the top and after an afternoon of driving it you do have a bit of a headache
I'm looking to take it down a notch, still keep the noise but just turn it down a bit and keep the reverberations that can ring your ears in check! It would also be nice to maybe hear the exhaust a bit.
1602Mark said:
Unfortunately suspension is still a couple of weeks away and the diff is still at engineering shop awaiting collection once reopened.
I may see if I can persuade ARM to let me have a couple of days on cleaning it up or something like that?
Any job is progress, even if its cleaning I may see if I can persuade ARM to let me have a couple of days on cleaning it up or something like that?
Legacywr said:
Unfortunately yes.Legacywr said:
1602Mark said:
Unfortunately yes.
Haha yes, not my cup of tea and i daresay once you get into that car it will end up being an expensive do to bring it up to standard with it being built so long ago now. I know the guy that's just bought it through the internet forums, he bought a similarly crazed wide arch marmite car awhile back and without really driving it decided he wanted it to be faster, he spoke to me briefly about engine upgrades but I guess this was the remedy! Those engines are worth 10k now (rightly or wrongly and assuming its mated to the e30 m3 gearbox) and without them listing the specification of the rest of the car, i guess thats its party piece and the rest will fall somewhere short, unless you're into the body styling, which whilst not to my tastes is impressive with it all being metal!
Either way £30k for a 1602, even with that engine, is strong money and if they've managed to sell for near that then all the more power to them. Good news for you and your 1602, Mark!
Breadvan72 said:
OP, I lerve this thread always, and all the more so as I do not currently own a 1970s hotbox saloon (I sold my Dolomite Sprint a while back). Your car is, for my money, much cooler than the red one in the advert, although I appreciate that the red one has its specialness.
Thank You, i do have a soft spot for the sprints and the place that built my gearbox have built a very special group 2 in Leyland colours which reignited that when i went to drop my gearbox off (i think its actually for sale now on behalf of the customer!)Breadvan72 said:
Oooof, that 2002 Tii they have is also tempting, but I am slightly scared to ask them how much...
It's an awesome thing, they built it for themselves (Dad and son that run the business) but ultimately they, like me, love to tinker and make things faster so its not very 'them'. I think they intend to complete it to their high standards and sell to fund their own race car build. I'd guess high 30's/ low 40's.It's the age old thing where its too nice a car to 'ruin' too much, whereas my Tii was already ruined when i bought it
scottos said:
Legacywr said:
1602Mark said:
Unfortunately yes.
Haha yes, not my cup of tea and i daresay once you get into that car it will end up being an expensive do to bring it up to standard with it being built so long ago now. I know the guy that's just bought it through the internet forums, he bought a similarly crazed wide arch marmite car awhile back and without really driving it decided he wanted it to be faster, he spoke to me briefly about engine upgrades but I guess this was the remedy! Those engines are worth 10k now (rightly or wrongly and assuming its mated to the e30 m3 gearbox) and without them listing the specification of the rest of the car, i guess thats its party piece and the rest will fall somewhere short, unless you're into the body styling, which whilst not to my tastes is impressive with it all being metal!
Either way £30k for a 1602, even with that engine, is strong money and if they've managed to sell for near that then all the more power to them. Good news for you and your 1602, Mark!
Breadvan72 said:
OP, I lerve this thread always, and all the more so as I do not currently own a 1970s hotbox saloon (I sold my Dolomite Sprint a while back). Your car is, for my money, much cooler than the red one in the advert, although I appreciate that the red one has its specialness.
Thank You, i do have a soft spot for the sprints and the place that built my gearbox have built a very special group 2 in Leyland colours which reignited that when i went to drop my gearbox off (i think its actually for sale now on behalf of the customer!)1602Mark said:
I do feel a little guilty and each to their own. No idea what he actually paid but definitely lots of expensive bits once you get past the bodywork. I'm surprised it was so well received on the 2002 FaceBook page given how quickly they slate anything that isn't OE.
He's part exchanged the wide body silver one i'd said he bought by the sounds of it! Yeh funny bunch on the Facebook page!Great thread and followed it since day one...!
I have always liked the 02s, a dear friend has a 1602 in Colorado Orange (?), a 'roundy' if that is the correct term !
His car a wee bit crusty, but all original. He also has a load of spares, including seats, interior trim etc, and a 2 litre engine IIRC. My pal is not well and it is such a shame he cannot drive any of his cars.
Anyway, nice to see you are local to me...I noticed the pics of Simon's garage...I have used them since I bought my first Alfa 156TS, which was years ago now. They looked after that car, then my subsequent 156 JTDM 150 that I did a couple of track days at Croft. And an E36 318iS that had some track time before I realised that it was too expensive to indulge in that particular pastime ! I really miss it though !
Your 02 is brilliant, looks great and has that nice mix of looking almost OEM but has all the sorts of improvements that you would want.
The standard of work you have done on it is amazing. I really miss having a decent garage to mess around on my car, so quite envious of your nice carpeted workspace !
A few years ago I had an original Elan S4 that belonged to my Uncle. I had the use of the family double garage at the time, so spent all of my spare time working on that wee car. The chassis was a clean underneath as the bodywork...it was a pleasure to work on.
In a way my Elan was similar to the way that you have changed your 02: I did as much as I could to make that Lotus 'better' than it was when it was made in 1970. ( Roll/side bar protection, bigger radiator, improved cooling, solid drive shafts, uprated Sprint spec valves etc etc...) The so called 'purists' frowned upon my modifications, but then it was a better car at the end of the day !
Never managed to get that on the track though...TBH it was a bit 'delicate' with having a fibreglass body and very little protection etc.
Anyway, apologies for going off topic !
Keep up the excellent work and hopefully you will be able to fully enjoy your car soon.
I have always liked the 02s, a dear friend has a 1602 in Colorado Orange (?), a 'roundy' if that is the correct term !
His car a wee bit crusty, but all original. He also has a load of spares, including seats, interior trim etc, and a 2 litre engine IIRC. My pal is not well and it is such a shame he cannot drive any of his cars.
Anyway, nice to see you are local to me...I noticed the pics of Simon's garage...I have used them since I bought my first Alfa 156TS, which was years ago now. They looked after that car, then my subsequent 156 JTDM 150 that I did a couple of track days at Croft. And an E36 318iS that had some track time before I realised that it was too expensive to indulge in that particular pastime ! I really miss it though !
Your 02 is brilliant, looks great and has that nice mix of looking almost OEM but has all the sorts of improvements that you would want.
The standard of work you have done on it is amazing. I really miss having a decent garage to mess around on my car, so quite envious of your nice carpeted workspace !
A few years ago I had an original Elan S4 that belonged to my Uncle. I had the use of the family double garage at the time, so spent all of my spare time working on that wee car. The chassis was a clean underneath as the bodywork...it was a pleasure to work on.
In a way my Elan was similar to the way that you have changed your 02: I did as much as I could to make that Lotus 'better' than it was when it was made in 1970. ( Roll/side bar protection, bigger radiator, improved cooling, solid drive shafts, uprated Sprint spec valves etc etc...) The so called 'purists' frowned upon my modifications, but then it was a better car at the end of the day !
Never managed to get that on the track though...TBH it was a bit 'delicate' with having a fibreglass body and very little protection etc.
Anyway, apologies for going off topic !
Keep up the excellent work and hopefully you will be able to fully enjoy your car soon.
Paul S4 said:
Great thread and followed it since day one...!
I have always liked the 02s, a dear friend has a 1602 in Colorado Orange (?), a 'roundy' if that is the correct term !
His car a wee bit crusty, but all original. He also has a load of spares, including seats, interior trim etc, and a 2 litre engine IIRC. My pal is not well and it is such a shame he cannot drive any of his cars.
Anyway, nice to see you are local to me...I noticed the pics of Simon's garage...I have used them since I bought my first Alfa 156TS, which was years ago now. They looked after that car, then my subsequent 156 JTDM 150 that I did a couple of track days at Croft. And an E36 318iS that had some track time before I realised that it was too expensive to indulge in that particular pastime ! I really miss it though !
Your 02 is brilliant, looks great and has that nice mix of looking almost OEM but has all the sorts of improvements that you would want.
The standard of work you have done on it is amazing. I really miss having a decent garage to mess around on my car, so quite envious of your nice carpeted workspace !
A few years ago I had an original Elan S4 that belonged to my Uncle. I had the use of the family double garage at the time, so spent all of my spare time working on that wee car. The chassis was a clean underneath as the bodywork...it was a pleasure to work on.
In a way my Elan was similar to the way that you have changed your 02: I did as much as I could to make that Lotus 'better' than it was when it was made in 1970. ( Roll/side bar protection, bigger radiator, improved cooling, solid drive shafts, uprated Sprint spec valves etc etc...) The so called 'purists' frowned upon my modifications, but then it was a better car at the end of the day !
Never managed to get that on the track though...TBH it was a bit 'delicate' with having a fibreglass body and very little protection etc.
Anyway, apologies for going off topic !
Keep up the excellent work and hopefully you will be able to fully enjoy your car soon.
Thats a great colour to have one in, its a shame he cant enjoy it any more. I think they need the 2.0 in though, even those were only 100hp in standard single carb guise.I have always liked the 02s, a dear friend has a 1602 in Colorado Orange (?), a 'roundy' if that is the correct term !
His car a wee bit crusty, but all original. He also has a load of spares, including seats, interior trim etc, and a 2 litre engine IIRC. My pal is not well and it is such a shame he cannot drive any of his cars.
Anyway, nice to see you are local to me...I noticed the pics of Simon's garage...I have used them since I bought my first Alfa 156TS, which was years ago now. They looked after that car, then my subsequent 156 JTDM 150 that I did a couple of track days at Croft. And an E36 318iS that had some track time before I realised that it was too expensive to indulge in that particular pastime ! I really miss it though !
Your 02 is brilliant, looks great and has that nice mix of looking almost OEM but has all the sorts of improvements that you would want.
The standard of work you have done on it is amazing. I really miss having a decent garage to mess around on my car, so quite envious of your nice carpeted workspace !
A few years ago I had an original Elan S4 that belonged to my Uncle. I had the use of the family double garage at the time, so spent all of my spare time working on that wee car. The chassis was a clean underneath as the bodywork...it was a pleasure to work on.
In a way my Elan was similar to the way that you have changed your 02: I did as much as I could to make that Lotus 'better' than it was when it was made in 1970. ( Roll/side bar protection, bigger radiator, improved cooling, solid drive shafts, uprated Sprint spec valves etc etc...) The so called 'purists' frowned upon my modifications, but then it was a better car at the end of the day !
Never managed to get that on the track though...TBH it was a bit 'delicate' with having a fibreglass body and very little protection etc.
Anyway, apologies for going off topic !
Keep up the excellent work and hopefully you will be able to fully enjoy your car soon.
Small world with recognising Simons place, i've often referred to a 'we' or a 'friend' in here. That tends to be Simon
it's his car transporter in some of the pictures too, picked the car up with it and taken it to the mappers twice, he's been a great help.Thanks for the kind words on my 2002, thats the sort of thing i was going for. I really didnt want it to stand out too much but after a couple of drives out i resided to the fact it sticks out like a sore thumb
The Lotus sounds great, i've always had a hankering for one and i did start looking at them when i was looking for this project. The engine builders i help out at in Northallerton builds a lot of twin cams and so we've had a fair few elans in over the years. My budget at the time would have only got me a +2, also looked at Alfa GT juniors as well but this popped up at the right time for the right money.
Thanks, i hope so too. This summer i was hoping to get it on track at last before the little one arrives but maybe it wasnt meant to be in 2020. There will always be next year with it (i hope!)
I think that my Elan TC Stromberg head would have been in your 'workplace' engine builders in Northallerton !
My good pal Neville is an historic race car mechanic, and he arranged for my cylinder head from the Elan to be taken there.
So while the head was in for repair, I had the hardened valve seats put in, and was told that they could only get the Sprint spec bigger valves...which was a pleasant surprise !
So when we put it back in the car, and Neville set up the valves ( amazing to watch a professional at work !) the difference in power was very marked.
I think that you made the 'right' choice with the 02, the BMW is a much more usable classic, and more robust than the fragile Lotus.
TBH, 80% of all 'baby' Elans were sold as 'kits' to save what was then called Purchase Tax, and were therefore assembled in owners's garages, with varied levels of competence (!). They were basically 'kit cars' in more than one sense of the word, as they had parts sourced from Ford ( engine/box, front suspension was Triumph, various trim bits were found on all sorts of Hilmans, MGs etc etc.)
It actually amazes me at how the prices of Elans have gone lately, because the build quality was nowhere near as good as your 02 !
My good pal Neville is an historic race car mechanic, and he arranged for my cylinder head from the Elan to be taken there.
So while the head was in for repair, I had the hardened valve seats put in, and was told that they could only get the Sprint spec bigger valves...which was a pleasant surprise !
So when we put it back in the car, and Neville set up the valves ( amazing to watch a professional at work !) the difference in power was very marked.
I think that you made the 'right' choice with the 02, the BMW is a much more usable classic, and more robust than the fragile Lotus.
TBH, 80% of all 'baby' Elans were sold as 'kits' to save what was then called Purchase Tax, and were therefore assembled in owners's garages, with varied levels of competence (!). They were basically 'kit cars' in more than one sense of the word, as they had parts sourced from Ford ( engine/box, front suspension was Triumph, various trim bits were found on all sorts of Hilmans, MGs etc etc.)
It actually amazes me at how the prices of Elans have gone lately, because the build quality was nowhere near as good as your 02 !
Paul S4 said:
I think that my Elan TC Stromberg head would have been in your 'workplace' engine builders in Northallerton !
My good pal Neville is an historic race car mechanic, and he arranged for my cylinder head from the Elan to be taken there.
So while the head was in for repair, I had the hardened valve seats put in, and was told that they could only get the Sprint spec bigger valves...which was a pleasant surprise !
So when we put it back in the car, and Neville set up the valves ( amazing to watch a professional at work !) the difference in power was very marked.
I think that you made the 'right' choice with the 02, the BMW is a much more usable classic, and more robust than the fragile Lotus.
TBH, 80% of all 'baby' Elans were sold as 'kits' to save what was then called Purchase Tax, and were therefore assembled in owners's garages, with varied levels of competence (!). They were basically 'kit cars' in more than one sense of the word, as they had parts sourced from Ford ( engine/box, front suspension was Triumph, various trim bits were found on all sorts of Hilmans, MGs etc etc.)
It actually amazes me at how the prices of Elans have gone lately, because the build quality was nowhere near as good as your 02 !
Small world eh! Makes sense to stick the bigger valves in if youre going through the trouble of changing the seats, good bit of man maths!My good pal Neville is an historic race car mechanic, and he arranged for my cylinder head from the Elan to be taken there.
So while the head was in for repair, I had the hardened valve seats put in, and was told that they could only get the Sprint spec bigger valves...which was a pleasant surprise !
So when we put it back in the car, and Neville set up the valves ( amazing to watch a professional at work !) the difference in power was very marked.
I think that you made the 'right' choice with the 02, the BMW is a much more usable classic, and more robust than the fragile Lotus.
TBH, 80% of all 'baby' Elans were sold as 'kits' to save what was then called Purchase Tax, and were therefore assembled in owners's garages, with varied levels of competence (!). They were basically 'kit cars' in more than one sense of the word, as they had parts sourced from Ford ( engine/box, front suspension was Triumph, various trim bits were found on all sorts of Hilmans, MGs etc etc.)
It actually amazes me at how the prices of Elans have gone lately, because the build quality was nowhere near as good as your 02 !
I can imagine the Elans have many more 'quirks'! I'd still like to experience one at some point but a man of my means can't afford multiple classics and there's not much out there that would make me sell the 2002, especially how 'me' i've made it.
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