BMW 2002Tii (ish)
Discussion
Evidently the cut-off point in January '73 and anything built on or before Jan' 31st can wear them. There some confusion due to info on the .gov website but that has never been made law, hence the '73 ruling remains and is applied by MOT testers throughout the UK.
I think they suit 02's of all ages but especially round tail light models in silver or white.
I think they suit 02's of all ages but especially round tail light models in silver or white.
Fabby!
I drove a 2002 tii for a weekend once - the car was a gentleman thug!
Have you read this?
http://www.automobilemag.com/news/triumph-dolomite...
I drove a 2002 tii for a weekend once - the car was a gentleman thug!
Have you read this?
http://www.automobilemag.com/news/triumph-dolomite...
Breadvan72 said:
Fabby!
I drove a 2002 tii for a weekend once - the car was a gentleman thug!
Have you read this?
http://www.automobilemag.com/news/triumph-dolomite...
Awesome, you've done more driving of an '02 than me then I drove a 2002 tii for a weekend once - the car was a gentleman thug!
Have you read this?
http://www.automobilemag.com/news/triumph-dolomite...
I hadn't but i've just read it there, thanks for the link and an interesting read but what a load of rubbish
I am biased because I own a Dolomite Sprint but having driven both cars I think that the Sprint and the 2002 tii are about neck and neck, that the Dolly edges it on steering, whilst the BMW edges it on overall urge and looks.
The points the dude makes about BL potential are well made.
The points the dude makes about BL potential are well made.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 9th October 12:36
Breadvan72 said:
I am biased because I own a Dolomite Sprint but having driven both cars I think that the Sprint and the 2002 tii are about neck and neck, that the Dolly edges it on steering, whilst the BMW edges it on overall urge and looks.
The points the dude makes about BL potential are well made.
My comment was tongue in cheek but especially the way 2002 prices have gone, the dolly will be the better buy no doubt. Big fan of the sprints, especially the look from the front end!The points the dude makes about BL potential are well made.
Edited by Breadvan72 on Monday 9th October 12:36
Steering on the 02's seems a bit marmite, i've stuck with the steering box set-up (im actually refreshing it all now funnily enough!) until i can make my own mind up but may convert to rack and pinion further down the line.
Yeh its a shame about BL, the article sort of brought it to light for me how close it was, what could have been!
Thanks and I’m not too sure yet, I’ll have to cross that bridge when I come to it haha
It should be relatively simple to map for a pro I guess, it’s not a complicated engine as such. I might end up having to get it done twice though, once for a running in map then back for a proper one.
It should be relatively simple to map for a pro I guess, it’s not a complicated engine as such. I might end up having to get it done twice though, once for a running in map then back for a proper one.
The Bandit said:
Fantastic, love reading build threads like this.
I'm lucky enough to have someone do my build (Lotus Elise S1) for me due to wife/kids/work but it's a long process as I'm sure you know!
Keep the updates coming and good luck
Certainly a long process yes! Thanks for the kind words. It must be kind of nice to be in that position if you've somewhere you can trust. This car is a once in a life time build where i'll be nigh on skinting myself to build it but its now or never sort of thing and i've got to do as much as i can myself to relieve the pressure. I've got some good people around me too for a second opinion/ extra help or even as a lead in the departments im not all too sure on (gearbox and wiring for example). Plenty updates incoming!I'm lucky enough to have someone do my build (Lotus Elise S1) for me due to wife/kids/work but it's a long process as I'm sure you know!
Keep the updates coming and good luck
Quite a bit to update! I’ll just go in order of my photo uploads so please bear with me.
First off, alternator looked terrible against the bottom end. The problem with getting everything gleaming is that once you start you almost cant stop, anywhere!
Had it apart for inspection and just a clean-up really, all looked fine.
Starter motor got the same treatment:
New washer bottle, refurbed the bracket (you’ll notice an Ed China theme going on by now, satin black everything!)
A few missing bits and bobs showed up, knurled keepers for the clocks, these were missing and the threaded rod bent out the way. Also got the flared grommet for the fuel breather hardline that exits the floor of the boot.
One day I noticed that the centre tie rod was knackered so I removed this, I ended up then removing the steering box and steering idler and refurbished all these parts too.
Steering idler before (with the steering box):
After with new seals and gaskets:
Same with the steering box and all fitted:
New tie rod has also shown up so ill get this fitted as soon as!
Cheers,
Scott
First off, alternator looked terrible against the bottom end. The problem with getting everything gleaming is that once you start you almost cant stop, anywhere!
Had it apart for inspection and just a clean-up really, all looked fine.
Starter motor got the same treatment:
New washer bottle, refurbed the bracket (you’ll notice an Ed China theme going on by now, satin black everything!)
A few missing bits and bobs showed up, knurled keepers for the clocks, these were missing and the threaded rod bent out the way. Also got the flared grommet for the fuel breather hardline that exits the floor of the boot.
One day I noticed that the centre tie rod was knackered so I removed this, I ended up then removing the steering box and steering idler and refurbished all these parts too.
Steering idler before (with the steering box):
After with new seals and gaskets:
Same with the steering box and all fitted:
New tie rod has also shown up so ill get this fitted as soon as!
Cheers,
Scott
Next up has been getting the gearbox ready for its rebuild, this has been a long road but its ready to go back together now, hopefully this will happen in the coming weeks! As I’ve mentioned before, my dream 2002 in my head has always had a dogleg 5 speed so hopefully this one will work out for me!
I’ve basically ended up cleaning everything as much as I can, from the state it was in internally it’s resulted in a complete u-turn. I’ve swapped all the old gears out for ‘as new’ condition ones as well as all new baulk rings. You can see from the pics below these were all well over due. This box will end up as nearly new condition, other than 5th gear which has a little pitting but there are no input shafts/5th gears available anywhere for them.
Old and new:
Dead baulk ring:
All done:
Scrap gears and rings:
Main case:
From the clutch end:
All together:
Reinforced release bearing lever all Ed China’d:
These also got the treatment and new seals fitted. They are finsihed in Satin black but i cant find a picture.
The headwork has been going well and its nearly finished. First off it was soda blasted and guides removed:
Valves cleaned up:
The seat surface on the valves will be redone when the 3 angle seats are ground.
Then the port modifications took place:
You can see in the picture below the port before/ after and the way the guide has been changed:
The guides are also the later style with the smaller stem seals. The advantage of these is that when running dual valve springs theres no risk of the inner spring catching. My current cam choice doesn’t need dual valve springs but its good to know for later down the line. I’ll be running Schrick single springs for now.
I needed to work out the piston intruder volume so the combustion chambers could be done:
Further to this the head should be finished this week and I can get it built back up. Im beyond excited for this part. I’ve wanted a head done by the guy who owns the competition engine builders where I’ve assisted for 14 years (half my life!) for nearly all of those 14 years so I’m really chuffed its finally happening.
The other great development, which I’ve mentioned above, is that the Jenvey Throttle bodies have arrived. I’ve also wanted a set of these for as long as I can remember too!
Bare bodies with trumpets and manifold:
Parts:
Alloy fuel rail:
Cut down and chamfered:
Fitted:
Underslung linkage installed:
Awesomely neat FPR:
And that’s about it for now, I’ve got more bits on the way or at least ordered so can crack on, still loads to do but I’m confident for a spring start!
Thanks for reading,
Scott.
I’ve basically ended up cleaning everything as much as I can, from the state it was in internally it’s resulted in a complete u-turn. I’ve swapped all the old gears out for ‘as new’ condition ones as well as all new baulk rings. You can see from the pics below these were all well over due. This box will end up as nearly new condition, other than 5th gear which has a little pitting but there are no input shafts/5th gears available anywhere for them.
Old and new:
Dead baulk ring:
All done:
Scrap gears and rings:
Main case:
From the clutch end:
All together:
Reinforced release bearing lever all Ed China’d:
These also got the treatment and new seals fitted. They are finsihed in Satin black but i cant find a picture.
The headwork has been going well and its nearly finished. First off it was soda blasted and guides removed:
Valves cleaned up:
The seat surface on the valves will be redone when the 3 angle seats are ground.
Then the port modifications took place:
You can see in the picture below the port before/ after and the way the guide has been changed:
The guides are also the later style with the smaller stem seals. The advantage of these is that when running dual valve springs theres no risk of the inner spring catching. My current cam choice doesn’t need dual valve springs but its good to know for later down the line. I’ll be running Schrick single springs for now.
I needed to work out the piston intruder volume so the combustion chambers could be done:
Further to this the head should be finished this week and I can get it built back up. Im beyond excited for this part. I’ve wanted a head done by the guy who owns the competition engine builders where I’ve assisted for 14 years (half my life!) for nearly all of those 14 years so I’m really chuffed its finally happening.
The other great development, which I’ve mentioned above, is that the Jenvey Throttle bodies have arrived. I’ve also wanted a set of these for as long as I can remember too!
Bare bodies with trumpets and manifold:
Parts:
Alloy fuel rail:
Cut down and chamfered:
Fitted:
Underslung linkage installed:
Awesomely neat FPR:
And that’s about it for now, I’ve got more bits on the way or at least ordered so can crack on, still loads to do but I’m confident for a spring start!
Thanks for reading,
Scott.
Lovely.
Will you be getting longer trumpets? (not that the ones you have aren't great) I recall seeing some period pics where they use a longer version.
It's going to be quite a car once finished. What sort of power are you hoping for? I would guess at a strong 170 - 175 brake, which will certainly liven things up.
Will you be getting longer trumpets? (not that the ones you have aren't great) I recall seeing some period pics where they use a longer version.
It's going to be quite a car once finished. What sort of power are you hoping for? I would guess at a strong 170 - 175 brake, which will certainly liven things up.
e30m3Mark said:
Lovely.
Will you be getting longer trumpets? (not that the ones you have aren't great) I recall seeing some period pics where they use a longer version.
It's going to be quite a car once finished. What sort of power are you hoping for? I would guess at a strong 170 - 175 brake, which will certainly liven things up.
Thanks Mark. Will likely see what everything fits like first. If i go longer i wont be able to use a proper filter i dont think but if theres space i might take a couple of sets with varying lengths when it gets mapped. My vision has always had long open intakes but practically i dont think it would be a good idea with the amount i intend to drive it Will you be getting longer trumpets? (not that the ones you have aren't great) I recall seeing some period pics where they use a longer version.
It's going to be quite a car once finished. What sort of power are you hoping for? I would guess at a strong 170 - 175 brake, which will certainly liven things up.
it may be that ill end up with different maps in the long run, changeable by a hidden switch, the finer detail is still grey!Short term, (from running as is - 2 years ish) i'll be happy with anything over 150 in my head and rev it as high as the cam will still make power but long term ill be going for that 200hp figure and keeping it 2.0. I'll be going s14 rods and some custom pistons and at the same time fit a wilder cam, double valve springs and see if i can get some 1 piece valves made in standard diameter but wasted stem. If i go for around 11.5CR i think this would be manageable yet still drive nice on the roads.
As you're doing your m3, i dont think the project will ever finish and there's no other car i would really want enough to sell it i dont think so it'll always be getting developed. Hopefully we'll meet next year if the car gets up and running!
bucks said:
That is a thing of beauty.
Envious of you building the engine too. I wouldn't know where to start but would still love to have a go
Thanks buddy, it's a relatively simple engine so it's been a good one to build, i'll be nervous for starting and running it in though!Envious of you building the engine too. I wouldn't know where to start but would still love to have a go
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