BMW 2002Tii (ish)

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scottos

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124 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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I signed off the last post noting it developed a horrible blow reminiscent of a blown gasket or the vband flanges being open etc. Because i'd already spent time checking the vbands etc. i had one more look whilst it was up in the air to put my mind at rest. I loosened off the rest of the exhaust and the clamp off the gearbox and made sure everything was fully aligned and thankfully they were!

I started it up and the noise was still there frown it pointed towards the gasket being blown or something else. It's a noisy car so it's hard to pinpoint. I decided that as it steadily got worse on the way home from my previous trip, that i would go out and do a local loop and give it some stick so that it would hopefully get a bit worse and make itself a little more apparent!

I met up with my friend for this little run out and he brought along an appropriate car that would mean i would have little choice than to give it some stick in an attempt to keep up biglaugh

20230527_164203 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

Up over a certain speed the aero seems to kick in on his car and it rooster tails dust and gravel up into the air, its amazing to see and more memories made that ill be reminded of by my inevitable new stone chips biglaugh

I find the pictures below hilarious, possibly a combo never to be repeated. Chalk and cheese.

20230527_172635 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

20230527_172614 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

Back to reality, my intended outcome had become apparent and the blow WAS worse. It still wasnt easy to pin point so i bit the bullet and stripped the manifold off. From this i noticed the below:

20230604_155717 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

20230604_155316 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

20230605_180544 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

It's bolted up to a spare head here so i could check alignment properly. Everything else was spot on, so off it went on it travels to the guys that built it so i could take advantage of their lifetime warranty again. Everything has to be strapped down in the boot of the Yaris, you get used to the corner speeds and stuff can go flying quite easily!

20230609_211346 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

I got this back and all buttoned up with a new gasket a friend had spare and fired it up, the noise was less but still there, not happy, so i just left it for a few days.

I'd ordered an Elring gasket that hadnt shown up by the time i got the manifold back, so used one from a friend, the quality seemed short of the Elring one i ordered albeit it was half the price when i looked.

I got a bit of motivation back so went to strip it all off and start again, this time with the Elring gasket (this is what i normally use), new k-nuts and some exhaust gasket paste (not something i like to use if i can help it but at this stage i was past caring!).

The gasket got a light touch of the paste and i got it all back together as quick as i could before it went off. No alignment issues and it all seemed great. I was nipping up the last nut that needed it and it gave way, i hit my knuckles off everything around them and had thought i'd perhaps rounded it albeit it just 'went' and didnt go gradually, like rounding something does. When i looked i'd snapped the top of the stud off. I just laid there for a few minutes, as you do when things like this happen.

I wasnt about to strip it all off again to fix this right now so i decided to finish up and just fire it up. The noise had gone completely, which was both a blessing and a curse! I let it get up to temp and gave it some rev's, it was perfect. My current thinking is just to drive and enjoy it for now and if 75% of the fixings being present on that flange dont hold the gasket down enough and it burns through, i'll fix it at that point!

I've not much planned for it this year, it feels like a bit of a come down from last year, where i took it to the Nurburgring and drove it flat out pretty much every week, at least once! Well aware we are approaching July already and i've probably only managed a few hundred miles.

Im back into the anxiety stage with the car, after rebuilding/ replacing the top half of the engine and the re-tuning and now the cracked manifold, so i need to get out in it and get my eye back in properly and get used to it again. It's a seriously fun and capable car, despite its age, on the roads we frequent when it all comes together, so that is my only plan for this year.

Oh and the below, Pistonheads very own 25th anniversary show at Bicester:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

It's a dull 4+ hour journey each way but im committed to coming and look forward to it!

Cheers,

Scott

Bobberoo

38,638 posts

98 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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Fantastic, look forward to seeing the car in the flesh and hopefully meeting you!!

scottos

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1,146 posts

124 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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Bobberoo said:
Fantastic, look forward to seeing the car in the flesh and hopefully meeting you!!
Thank You, it will be great to meet the people that post in the thread and are interested in the car, just don't look too closely, it has some battlescars now haha

gary71

1,967 posts

179 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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Will see you there, and remember battle scars are built in memories smile Show pieces are boring and lifeless. smile

illmonkey

18,201 posts

198 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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Great update as always Scott! A bit take aback by your challenger, did he even get a look in?!

Hopefully at PH25 they don’t put mine next to yours! Or maybe an oem vs what you could have had type thing…

Tom4398cc

257 posts

34 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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Hello Scottos
I think I must have been living under a rock or something- I have only just stumbled across this thread. Luckily I’m on holiday this week, so I’ve been able to enjoy reading all 36 pages over the last 24 hours. By any measure: what a thread; what a car; and what an owner/builder!

Back in May, I was trundling south down the A1 in my mk 7 Golf GTi 3 door manual to go to the PH meet at the motorist. Four or five interesting cars came past me (I’m not a quick driver, the shame) and one of them was your silver 2002! It looked absolutely brilliant and was a real treat to see it on the road. Once we were at the PH thing at The Motorist, it was great fun looking round the hundreds of different cars people had brought. But your 2002 was my clear favourite car of the day. I thought it was perfect.

So to then find your thread yesterday has been brilliant. I’ve really enjoyed reading about how you’ve rebuilt and developed the car, and everything you’ve been through with it. Massive thanks for going to the trouble to write such a detailed thread. It is massively inspiring. Hats off to you.

All the very best
Tom


scottos

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1,146 posts

124 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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gary71 said:
Will see you there, and remember battle scars are built in memories smile Show pieces are boring and lifeless. smile
Awesome, looking forward to meeting you and having a look around the car! You are right of course, most of the rock strikes or other damage on mine are associated with good memories and im happy to keep them there biggrin

illmonkey said:
Great update as always Scott! A bit take aback by your challenger, did he even get a look in?!

Hopefully at PH25 they don’t put mine next to yours! Or maybe an oem vs what you could have had type thing…
Thank You and he just about kept up! biglaugh Of course im joking, that car just reprogrammes your mind for what is 'fast', bonkers! Luckily the roads we all frequent dont have many straights and plenty of bumps to slow the fast stuff down, we all tend to have a good even bit of sport across the board albeit im attempting to exploit a much higher % of performance from the poor 2002!

Ahh they would look great together, a subtly modified round light car is a lovely thing and was my original intention before this bastardised turbo arched car came up, way back when biglaugh

Tom4398cc said:
Hello Scottos
I think I must have been living under a rock or something- I have only just stumbled across this thread. Luckily I’m on holiday this week, so I’ve been able to enjoy reading all 36 pages over the last 24 hours. By any measure: what a thread; what a car; and what an owner/builder!

Back in May, I was trundling south down the A1 in my mk 7 Golf GTi 3 door manual to go to the PH meet at the motorist. Four or five interesting cars came past me (I’m not a quick driver, the shame) and one of them was your silver 2002! It looked absolutely brilliant and was a real treat to see it on the road. Once we were at the PH thing at The Motorist, it was great fun looking round the hundreds of different cars people had brought. But your 2002 was my clear favourite car of the day. I thought it was perfect.

So to then find your thread yesterday has been brilliant. I’ve really enjoyed reading about how you’ve rebuilt and developed the car, and everything you’ve been through with it. Massive thanks for going to the trouble to write such a detailed thread. It is massively inspiring. Hats off to you.

All the very best
Tom
Hey Tom, firstly, thanks for the very kind words! It's always a small world with these cars, you did well to spot it as it seemed most of the journey down was spent in rainstorms and the spray off the car was ridiculous but im glad you enjoyed seeing it!

Thanks for taking the time to read through the thread as well, im glad you have gained something from it, top man.

gary71

1,967 posts

179 months

Sunday 13th August 2023
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Looking fine in the sunshine on Saturday smile


scottos

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124 months

Tuesday 15th August 2023
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gary71 said:
Looking fine in the sunshine on Saturday smile
Thanks Gary, you're a gent!

I loved having a look around your 911, i went back a couple of times!

The only issue with these shows is that once the owners are away from their cars, know one knows who owns what!

gary71

1,967 posts

179 months

Tuesday 15th August 2023
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scottos said:
gary71 said:
Looking fine in the sunshine on Saturday smile
Thanks Gary, you're a gent!

I loved having a look around your 911, i went back a couple of times!

The only issue with these shows is that once the owners are away from their cars, know one knows who owns what!
Exactly. I occasionally went back and got something out of the boot and always ended up in conversation, but we are also there to look at other stuff and I’m not old enough (yet!) to set up a picnic chair at the back of the car smile

Sf_Manta

2,192 posts

191 months

Tuesday 15th August 2023
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Saw the car but didn't think to get a picture of it.
Looked great though a bit soggy after the 2 rainshowers blew through.
Not sure if i spoke to you during the show though..?

Court_S

12,945 posts

177 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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I’m still working my way through the thread, but your car looked stunning on Saturday.

The care and work that have gone into it, with the attention to detail are all very impressive.

scottos

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1,146 posts

124 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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gary71 said:
Exactly. I occasionally went back and got something out of the boot and always ended up in conversation, but we are also there to look at other stuff and I’m not old enough (yet!) to set up a picnic chair at the back of the car smile
I think we spent most of the time in the car park, some amazing things turned up. Great to finally see the 911 anyway!

Sf_Manta said:
Saw the car but didn't think to get a picture of it.
Looked great though a bit soggy after the 2 rainshowers blew through.
Not sure if i spoke to you during the show though..?
It was nice that it got a wash biglaugh i think 98% of attendees were more dedicated than me, cleaning the cars once parked up.

Quite possibly, chatted to a good few people. Similar to Gary above, it was every time i popped back to the car to get something, which was cool.

Still find it amazing that people take their time to be interested in my little old BMW.

Court_S said:
I’m still working my way through the thread, but your car looked stunning on Saturday.

The care and work that have gone into it, with the attention to detail are all very impressive.
Thank You very much, its appreciated!

Im sure you noticed and can tell but its certainly not a show car and has its fair share of war wounds now. Its nice to hear you looked past that to see whats beneath biglaugh

Court_S

12,945 posts

177 months

Friday 18th August 2023
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scottos said:
Thank You very much, its appreciated!

Im sure you noticed and can tell but its certainly not a show car and has its fair share of war wounds now. Its nice to hear you looked past that to see whats beneath biglaugh
That makes it cooler!

The coolest CSL I’ve ever seen was one at C&M a few years ago; manual conversion, 140-odd K on the clock with a million dead bugs on it from a recent Welsh road trip. Used as intended.

scottos

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1,146 posts

124 months

Monday 21st August 2023
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Court_S said:
That makes it cooler!

The coolest CSL I’ve ever seen was one at C&M a few years ago; manual conversion, 140-odd K on the clock with a million dead bugs on it from a recent Welsh road trip. Used as intended.
Excellent! I decided to clean it a bit for PH25, this is usually the look biglaugh:

20220517_114909 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

scottos

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1,146 posts

124 months

Monday 19th February
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Well, the final update on this car from me in this post, the car has gone on to a new owner and it is no longer mine, sadly!

All the way back to August and PH25, i attended with a few mates and we took the 2002 down and his 812 GTS, it was a great weekend (despite the rain storms!) and i got to meet some great people off of here and see their awesome cars in person.

20230812_121556 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

BMW 2002 3 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

BMW 2002 1 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

Petrol Front by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

20230811_204354 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

The car had some 600 miles to do it total across that weekend to attend and it did so fine, rain, shine, cruising and hooning; until we got 20 minutes from home and a caliper bolt dropped out. I do think it actually fell out some 60 miles earlier but it was a quiet evening and there was no braking to be done until i left the motorway, doesnt bare thinking about if i had to brake harshly on the motorway.

20230813_193700 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

20230813_193627 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

A quick bodge with a borrowed strut brace bolt and we were on our way. The bolt wasnt the right diameter but it worked well enough to stop the caliper swinging one way or the other and locking the wheel. I got it home rather happy/ relieved, another 2002 story to add to the collection!

20230813_202201 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

Since the works earlier in the year with the new cam and head mods etc. the throttle had been sticking on the last 1% so any engine braking was lagging and it wasnt so enjoyable to drive and this was something i couldnt seem to sort. It had been doing this on the way back from PH25 and it was grating on me by the time i got it home.

After this, life just seemed to become a little busy and there didnt seem to be much time to enjoy the 2002 and im sad to say my interest in cars and the 2002 had waned. Other factors, I blew an engine on a friends car, it wasnt my fault but it was me driving it so it felt like it was, the other halfs daily was playing up for weeks, we fixed it, sold it and bought a Caravelle for day trips etc and that immediately started playing up, it may sound all woe is me but i was fed up with cars!

Fast forward a few months and i received an email from a great chap called Malcolm, he'd been in touch a few years ago through a mutual acquaintance and was wanting to have a 2002 built and wanted to see mine in person and have a chat for some ideas, turns out he was 275 miles away and popped up for the day, great dedication to the cause! He ended up selling his project, funnily enough to someone else i knew and i helped out with it a little bit!

This time his email was full of enthusiasm and fire for doing the 2002 project once and for all, kind of at the time where i was feeling quite opposite. His email picked my enthusiasm back up and i happily gave all and any advice i could for his project and finding a car and thought that i really needed to sort mine out!

It dawned on me that Malcolm was so into building his dream 2002 and it sounded remarkably like mine but he also had the resources to really create something special, especially if mine were to be used as a base. I've brought the car on so much from when i got it but my timeline with the car naturally seemed to be coming to an end, dont get me wrong i had lots of plans for the future but it was all money dependent and none of the plans were particularly cheap nor did i think for certain they would make the car any 'better'. I had a think and a discussion with my other half and decided to broach the subject with Malcolm to see what he thought and it turned out he hadnt asked if i would sell out of respect and politeness.

I would never have put the car up for sale but this was the right person at the right time and we struck a deal that was fair to both. I must say i've never had such a pleasant car selling experience and i really am happy Malcolm is the next custodian of the 2002!

Obviously for this to take place i wanted to sort the niggles on the car, it was just to review the caliper bolts and then sort this sticking throttle out essentially.

I got some marginally longer caliper bolts and ensured i loctited them this time, along with new spring washers, job jobbed in 20 minutes!

I then set about looking at the sticking throttle.All the linkages were free and springs returning but it was the last 1% down to 0 that i was having issues. I got in touch with Jenvey to send them off and have them rebuilt, assuming the throttle shafts were bent, or the bush bearings had become sticky. Turns out they no long offer this service but they could send me all of the parts to do myself!

I replaced everything and it was pretty easy in all honesty, so i thank them for just making me do it, sometimes the best way to learn! The bodies werent bad off the car but did feel a bit 'gritty' on one side. I bolted everything back up and it was smoother but was still sticking at the same point. By this time i'd spent hours on this job going over everything and just went inside to call it a day, try again another day! I had a brainwave later that night whilst laid in bed and quickly went down to the garage and i loosened off the bolts that hold the bodies to the manifold a tad and there we had it, perfect! It turns out the phenolic gaskets i'd fitted whilst waiting for my cylinder head to come back allowed the bodies to twist the tiniest amount when bolted down and ruined my fun for the year! Off them came and everything was perfect, i doubt the bodies even needed a rebuild, it was just down to those gaskets!

With this i serviced the car and had it ready to rock. The car was amazing, i set the throttle stops again and the idle etc. it had never ran so well for a long time! Typical!

20231030_111005 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

20240203_120901 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

20240203_115909 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

20240203_115922 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

I'd also cleared a small leak from the oil temp sensor in the sump (not my welding, it was a sump i aquired with the car!), so it really was the best it had been in a long time. I dont think you'll ever stop all oil drips out of a 51 year old bmw!

I got the rest of the car sorted for Malcolm and took it out for its last shakedown in my ownership. I took the missus with me as it was potentially the last drive id ever have of the car! She loves the car but doesnt really like coming out in it, its an assault on the senses and really shouldnt do corners as fast as it does, i was happy she came with me, even if she did look a little white and shaken when we got back!

20240203_162554 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

I love this angle, i think its my favorite!

20240203_163158 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

My little lad had his final sit/ play in the car too:

20240211_182337 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

20240211_182101 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

And with that the next day Malcolm drove up the 275 mile each way journey once again but this time it was to see his 2002! It was a really nice couple of hours with him and he loved it. I then organised transportation for him later in the week, which was a very strange experience for me, putting it in a trailer, not to be seen again for the foreseeable! I will miss this car dearly but im happy with where it has gone to.

20240212_145806 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

20240212_145814 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

The final picture to sign off this thread, the 2002 in its new home at Malcolms!

IMG_3253 by Scott Osborne, on Flickr

Thanks again as always for reading, i've had immense pleasure from this project and documenting it on here. I've met some great people through this car and this process and owe a lot to it.

Obviously i cant not have something in the garage so i'll start a new thread soon enough! This time it will have more than 2 seats and be able to take a child seat and perhaps require slightly less tinkering but not too much less!

Scott


B'stard Child

28,414 posts

246 months

Monday 19th February
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A happy ending to the thread - thanks for sharing the journey with us

Please - Stick a link to the next project in this thread when you start it as it’s in my bookmarks and I wouldn’t want to miss it

EmBe

7,515 posts

269 months

Monday 19th February
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I was up in Teesdale the other day and wondered when I'd next see a little silver 2002 - clearly I won't anymore.
Thanks for an entertaining and inspirational thread and best of luck with the next project;we'll all be watching with interest.

bomb

3,692 posts

284 months

Monday 19th February
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What a great thread, and so pleased the car has passed to an other enthusiast owner.

Top work. The thread needs to be continued with the replacement car though !

Ben Lowden

6,035 posts

177 months

PH Marketing Bloke

Monday 19th February
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Sad to see this come to an end but thank you for taking us on the journey with you Scott! Only fitting to re-share this once more I think biggrin



And equally looking forward to seeing what you replace it with.