E92 M3 Competition Pack

E92 M3 Competition Pack

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GregK2

1,661 posts

147 months

Monday 6th November 2017
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Stunning pics, looks great from every angle. cloud9

RS Grant

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1,427 posts

234 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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GregK2 said:
Stunning pics, looks great from every angle. cloud9
Polynesian said:
Beautiful car. I know it's space grey but it looks almost like sparkling graphite in the recent pics. Lovely either way. Glad you are enjoying it on some good roads.
Thank you guys, I'm very quickly becoming a massive fan of the car. thumbup ...it was mid-late afternoon so the light was starting to fade a little and with the height of the mountains, the sun reaching the roads at the foot of the mountain was rare which made it hard to capture the colour properly, but it definitely has a touch of sparkling graphite about it in some of them!

RS Grant

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Friday 17th November 2017
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I took the car away for a long weekend in the Highlands with my girlfriend last weekend and covered ~300 miles in the car.. it's a fantastic piece of kit, the more I drive it the more I get attached to it. Didn't take many car photos while I was away, but it is absolutely filthy so I'll be giving it a proper clean over this weekend to get the crap off it and if the weather/light holds then I will probably take some photos of it.

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Didn't realise that there would be so many leaves stuck under this vent, half a dozen or so and I only noticed after one of the stems made itself known?! laugh

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MPG and mileage per tank isn't bad, roughly 6-7mpg difference between this and the Golf by the looks of it. I don't think it's actually too bad for a car that is no lightweight and powered by a 400+bhp V8 petrol that enjoys revving so hard and so long.

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Dele

13 posts

80 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Some stunning pics you got there, the Car and the Scenery!

Mike335i

5,013 posts

103 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Lovely E92, that is stunning. Well done for getting a manual too.

RS Grant

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234 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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Pretty lucky to have all the scenery on my doorstep relatively speaking, great to look at and great to wind your way through on a nice day.

Yeah I don't regret the decision at all Mike. In March this year I actually asked on a thread posted in the M Power section here if there were ANY manual Comp Pack cars made/sold because I'd been looking for quite some time and hadn't seen any.. don't think I've ever been so committed to finding the correct car before! smile

RS Grant

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Sunday 19th November 2017
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I just did a post comparing my old Golf R to the M3 for some people on the M3 Owners Club, some of you guys on here might find it useful/interesting, so thought that I'd add it to this thread as well. thumbup

Ok this is gonna be quite long; pictures, links and a lot of words... it's just an ordinary blokes comparison between MK7 Golf R and E92 M3 Competition Pack... I'll try not to do any w@nky car magazine person type chat because I'm not trying to keep a press office or Editor sweet; and since I don't have an Editor, I'm sure there'll be the odd grammar/spelling mistake mixed in for good measure too!! rolleyes

Link: Click Here

That link above will give you an idea about where I've come from and what I've owned previously to these cars; I did a Car History thread on Pistonheads that I've just recently updated with working photos after the great Photobucket fisting. It's a longgg read also, so I won't blame you for skimming through and just looking at the pictures!! laugh


Styling:

I'm not going to comment much on styling because it's entirely subjective and my thoughts might be different to someone elses, however both will be equally as relevant to each individual.

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Golf:

Understated, subtle, well proportioned, quite anonymous to most people. Which is why I can't really understand why they decided that slapping FOUR tailpipes on it was a good idea?! The Mk5 R32 and Mk6 R both had twin centre exit exhausts which looked great, but the quad exit exhaust was completely OTT for me and not in keeping with the rest of the design on the car; something which in nearly 3 years of ownership, that I never came to accept/like.

One of the biggest mistakes I made when ordering the Golf was not choosing the 19" wheel option, it makes a big difference to the look and is absolutely worth the extra outlay at purchase; I ended up spending about 2k on some 19" BBS' within the first few months of having the car! The only other aesthetic mod I did was lowering the car, a function/form change, but yet more cash that I didn't plan to spend on the car when I bought it. laugh

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M3:

Muscular, understated, wide, low, purposeful.. all words which I would use to describe the BMW. I think this is something which BMW M-people do really well, I'm obviously a 'car guy' but I think that even someone who isn't a car nerd like me will recognise most M-cars as something a bit special. I was driving through some small highland towns recently and got a few admiring looks from people and one guy in particular stopped with his wee boy and pointed at the car as we drove past; which, sad as it is, gives me a buzz!

If my car had been standard then I would have added the carbon parts which came with my car, but the wheels are absolutely fantastic and the slightly lower ride height of the Competition Pack makes a difference. Had I bought a standard M3 then I think I would have fitted these wheels and some springs to improve the look.


Engine & Performance:

The Golf was ok as standard, although there was no 'thump in the back' that you might expect from a 2.0 Turbo making ~300bhp. I fitted a couple of modifications (Intake, Turbo Inlet Pipe, Forge Recirc and JB1 Tuning Box) which took the car to ~370bhp and made it the car how it should have been from the factory, far more punchy to drive. It pulled to an indicated 164mph and felt like it'd continue the next few hundred rpm to the limiter in 6th gear (the manual cars are shorter geared than the DSG from what I've read).

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B-road overtakes in the Golf were easily dispatched with the low-lag wall of torque, absolutely zero traction issues and well judged gear ratios keeping the car on the boil.

As far as the actual engine goes, well, it's a conventional 2.0 4cyl with a turbo bolted to it so it's never going to set the world alight or be the last word in excitement. There isn't much/any character about the engine, they've added a 'Soundaktor' which introduces a very 5cyl-esque thrum into the car when you activate 'Race' mode; which gives slightly spikier throttle response/opens exhaust valves/activates the Soundaktor. The issue I had with the car for the time I owned it was the fact that I couldn't take the risk of upgrading exhaust to get more actual noise because every system that I'd heard introduced quite a rippy/zippy sound which I thought completely spoilt the whole subtle-but-powerful idea of the R. I did fit an intake on the car which did give a little extra induction whistle and with the Forge Recirc valve it also made some nice little chirps ( Link Here) as well as more of a wooosh lifting at higher revs/boost.

The engine is a completely different beast in the M3. The engine builds and builds the harder you push it, the real performance is tucked away at the top of the rev range. I'd say that <3500rpm is pretty average and you're surprised you are in a V8, but then ~3500rpm until ~4500rpm is getting better and as you sweep past 4500rpm you can feel it starting to get into its groove, then from 6000rpm onwards you're in the real sweet spot of noise, occasion and performance.. at this point speed builds really quickly and given the longggg ratios in the car, you can be doing some very expensive numbers in as low as 3rd gear.

In a very important way, the BMW destroys the VW... engine noise. The lack of it in the Golf is very noticeable and the abundance of glorious induction howl in the M3 is unavoidable, with some V8 burble unlocked with an exhaust upgrade in the new year, the M3 will be even better!

If we are talking about the real world, I'm not convinced that the BMW would be any faster at all on a twisty B-road and actually might find itself on the end of a shoeing depending on drivers/conditions. The accessible power of the Golf and the usability of the '4WD' set up means you can make some pretty devastating cross country progress.. whereas to compete in the M3 you'd have to be very involved in the process and have a decent level of driver skill. That said, with the long gear ratios and the top end power delivery, I think it'd be hard to keep the M3 on the boil enough to stick with my Golf R; if you find yourself in the wrong gear in the Golf then you will be rescued by the short ratios and the turbo power pulling you out of it, but find yourself in the wrong gear or wrong area of the rev range in the BMW and you'll need to wind it up again.


Handling & Driving Experience:

As standard the Golf was a little bit high (made worse by the 19" BBS' that I bought for the car and when pushing on down some of my local back roads the car had a bit too much body roll for me, so I invested in some aftermarket suspension with KW V1 Coilovers to start with and then finally some Koni Adjustable Shocks with H&R Springs which helped both looks and in particular the handling of the car. On the downside, the ride quality (which had been fantastic standard) did suffer a little bit but never to the point where I felt it was unacceptable or annoying.

The big downside with the Golf for me was the fact that the car was SO safe and you could seemingly mash your foot at almost any point of a corner and the car would just grip and take off without any fuss or movement at all. I'm not trying to 4 wheel drift round every roundabout or gather massive amounts of opposite lock out of a bend, but I'd like to feel a wee squirm/shimmy from the rear, which all adds to the experience for me. I fitted a set of semi-slick tyres to some 18" wheels on the Golf and when it was very cold/greasy the car moved around a little, however, apart from that it was business as usual?! Loved the look of it on the Turinis though:

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My Golf was a manual and the gearchange from 1st to 2nd was a little notchy, specially when cold, however apart from that; the throw wasn't long, the feel was direct and as mentioned above the gear ratios were very well judged and helped make the car quicker than the numbers would probably suggest.
I went for a manual rather than a DSG car for exactly the same reason that I chose the M3 in manual rather than DCT, I really enjoy working through a gearbox when I'm out for a drive and although there's no denying that the new autoboxes are fantastic pieces of kit and definitely make you faster, they remove such a large piece of the interaction/experience that they're not for me... that said, they're getting more and more popular and manual options being less and less available so at some point in the future I'm sure I'll have to cave in and submit to the inevitable. Worth saying that these cars are occasional use for me, maybe 4-5k per year maximum, but if I used my car daily then there's no question that I'd have a DSG/DCT car; I sat in a couple of hours of stop-start traffic in the Golf during the summer and wanted to tear my hair out after that! eeklaugh

I went for a manual gearbox in the M3 because as I said above, it is an important piece of the jigsaw for me. The gearchange in the BMW is definitely not as good as the one from the Golf; the throw is longer, the feel is less positive and it can feel a little notchy when running through the gears (mainly when cold) too. I've done a fair bit of research now so I'm fairly settled on the fact that at some point I'll do the F10 M5 gearknob modification to the car and see how I feel after that, should I still not be totally happy then I'm gonna weigh in on a proper shift kit from AS since I've seen nothing but good reviews for that.

When I first started casually looking for an E92 in the dim and distant past, EDC wasn't something which I was overly fussed about having and wasn't on my 'must-have' list. Now that I've got a car which came with it, I would say that for me it is a fantastic piece of kit! Usually I have it in the softest setting when just bumbling around town and then mid-setting when I'm out for a blast in the car, however when I went on the run on the Highlands with their slightly less than perfect road surfaces then I found that the middle setting was a little harsh (along same lines as the Golf with aftermarket Konis) so I knocked it into the softest setting and the extra compliance made a HUGE difference to the way the car handled and swept its way down the road, it absorbed everything that was thrown at it and at no point did I get that 'screw your eyes up' feeling when you go over bumps and it sends a shivver through you, I was massively impressed by that!

On the subject of fun, I don't think I need to go into too much detail of that.. but turn off the traction/stability control in the M3 then it'll throw the back of the car out with ease and will stay there as long as you ask it to. I've not had any 'moments' on MDM yet though, not that I'm actively trying or looking for that to happen, it would just be nice to see where the limits lie on that setting too.


Day To Day/Running Costs:

The Golf is a Golf, so it's easy to drive with a light clutch/gearchange/decent level of technology and flys under the radar really well. The downsides with the Golf is a slightly poor turning circle (lock-to-lock feels very quick and probably helps with handling/drive of it) and because it's got rear diff to accomodate the boot space is actually pretty poor for a modern hatchback and if you wanted an R which was practical then I'd probably try to sway you towards a Golf R Estate which is a world apart in terms of load space.

Running cost-wise, the Golf doesn't sit in a high tax bracket, the insurance was reasonable (c230 for me last year) and servicing was also very reasonable too. I was averaging around 24-25mpg with up to 28-29mpg available on a boring run at motorway speeds... lowest I got it was c11mpg when on track, but that's hardly a common occurence. laugh

On the flip side, the M3 sits in a high tax bracket, the insurance is looking like it'll be nearly double the Golf cost come renewal time and servicing will obviously be higher given the engine is literally twice the size and uses higher quality oil, bigger tyres etc. MPG-wise it's quite early to tell, but over the last tank of fuel it looks like I averaged 21.5mpg; which combined some average speed camera 60/70 zones, some Highland hoonery and low speed burbling around.

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Practicality is never going to be as good/easily accessed in the M3 since it's a coupe rather than a hatchback, the boot can still swallow a fair amount of stuff and rear interior space isn't bad for that type of car. Only noticeable difference is that the seating position is slightly higher than I'd like and it's more noticeable since sitting nice and low was something that the Golf did very well.


Verdict:

I loved my Golf, it was extremely difficult to let go of that car after having it for 13k miles and nearly 3 years. However now the dust has settled on the switch, there's very little I miss about it if I'm honest; the adaptive headlights (never thought I'd say that!), the seat going low enough for me, adaptive cruise control and being a Scotsman, I have always grudged paying tax to run around on what sometimes feels like ploughed tarmac and now I'm paying over double what I was before. laugh

On the whole though the M3 is a better car for me; more noise, more occasion, more fun and more purposeful looks. It's given me exactly what I was looking for and what I felt the Golf was missing, none of which I could have easily/economically changed with the Golf either.

Hope the lads who wanted a comparison have found it useful and those who read it for the hell of it, well done for sticking with it.. I hope I didn't send you to sleep!! thumbup

philmots

4,632 posts

261 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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Who cares if the Golf is nearly as quick, look at it!!!! It’s 100x the car imo....

Enjoy, I’m tempted to get into one myself next.

RS Grant

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1,427 posts

234 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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philmots said:
Who cares if the Golf is nearly as quick, look at it!!!! It’s 100x the car imo....

Enjoy, I’m tempted to get into one myself next.
Haha yeah exactly, it's far more suitable for me currently and way more enjoyable... you only live once, so why not!

Mitch_TCF

24 posts

78 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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Love your M3! Nice comparison between the Golf and the M3.

I was very lucky to drive a white e93 M3 for around 40mins in the Kippford area (south of Dumfries) area in the Summer. Amazing car, loved every minute of it! Hopefully one day I'll be able to get one :-)

RS Grant

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1,427 posts

234 months

Thursday 23rd November 2017
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Mitch_TCF said:
Love your M3! Nice comparison between the Golf and the M3.

I was very lucky to drive a white e93 M3 for around 40mins in the Kippford area (south of Dumfries) area in the Summer. Amazing car, loved every minute of it! Hopefully one day I'll be able to get one :-)
Cheers Mitch, there are some brilliant roads down that way. Even though I live in NE Scotland, I remember having a great time when we ended up in that neck of the woods on an Impreza Owners Club run a long time ago... although not sure there's much chance to drop the roof of an E93 given the weather, haha. smile

renmure

4,253 posts

225 months

Thursday 23rd November 2017
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That's a mean looking M3.
Very nice indeed.

RS Grant

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1,427 posts

234 months

Wednesday 13th December 2017
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renmure said:
That's a mean looking M3.
Very nice indeed.
Thanks Jim (hope you’re same Renmure that I think you are!), my folks have moved out to your neck of the woods so I’ll keep an eye out for you when I’m over that way. smile

RS Grant

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234 months

Wednesday 13th December 2017
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After the trip up north the car was looking a bit worse for wear, picking up a lot of road crap as is the norm at this time of year.. I know detailing boys love a 50/50 shot so here’s one that will get you going:

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After it was clean again, one of my friends asked if he could take a few photos of the car.. so here are the first photos of the car (apart from the sales advert) which have been taken with something a bit better than my iPhone!!

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I’ve just recently got a Stage 3 Fiesta ST and while it’s superb fun and feels WAY more manic to drive, it was so nice to get into the M3 again and take it for a run.. coolthumbup

SiT

1,163 posts

202 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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A beautiful car and a great write up between the MK7 R and the E92, always been a big fan of both but the Golf doesn't 'excite' due to most of the reasons you have outlined. I owned a MK5 R32 which was a real occasion mostly down to the engine and exhaust note, I never tired of starting it up and heading out for a drive.

Currently in an X5 for family duties but later this year will be looking to fill the performance gap in my garage and thinking an E92 might just be the ticket.

Keep this thread updated with the beautiful pics you are taking and your highs and lows.

Si

RS Grant

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234 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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SiT said:
A beautiful car and a great write up between the MK7 R and the E92, always been a big fan of both but the Golf doesn't 'excite' due to most of the reasons you have outlined. I owned a MK5 R32 which was a real occasion mostly down to the engine and exhaust note, I never tired of starting it up and heading out for a drive.

Currently in an X5 for family duties but later this year will be looking to fill the performance gap in my garage and thinking an E92 might just be the ticket.

Keep this thread updated with the beautiful pics you are taking and your highs and lows.

Si
Thanks Si, appreciate the comment and glad you found the write up useful too.

Since this is a journal of my ownership, there was always going to be highs and lows posted in here... so with that said, recently I was experiencing the very occasional error message that would clear itself after a varying amount of driving. This is what I've been getting:

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Then it's been clearing itself:

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...however it's been on solidly for a couple of journeys now, the second of which was a good run in case it was a battery voltage issue but it's had no change so I've booked it into the local BMW dealership and will drop it off on Monday morning, armed with my warranty!!

From browsing the internet it looks like it could be anything from a weak battery, steering angle sensor, ABS sensor, ABS unit to the dreaded/common throttle actuator(s) issue.. ranging from a couple of hundred pounds to a couple of thousand pounds, so place your bets now... laugh

Mike335i

5,013 posts

103 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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It would lost likely be a wheel speed sensor giving dodgy readings. This causes the system to go into failsafe mode and switch off all assistance.

A scan for error codes will point you in the right direction. Even if the abs pump is gone, I think there are cheaper ways of fixing it now.

sagarich

1,216 posts

150 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Fantastic car and updates OP!

nav p

324 posts

188 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Mike335i said:
It would lost likely be a wheel speed sensor giving dodgy readings. This causes the system to go into failsafe mode and switch off all assistance.

A scan for error codes will point you in the right direction. Even if the abs pump is gone, I think there are cheaper ways of fixing it now.
Wheels speed sensor...normally front passenger side!

Geat car btw

I love mine

MikeGoodwin

3,345 posts

118 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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I haven't even got an m3 until Saturday but I'm buying a high kick spoiler....


What warranty do you have please? Maybe you saw in my thread ill be getting bmw warranty on mine.