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Had the Pug out at Bedford again this weekend - it clearly overheard me considering selling it.....
Looked good out there though!
Big thanks to Sprite Photography for the excellent on track pits.
Unfortunately just before lunch the clutch started slipping with the tell tale smell of gearbox oil, quick engine out:
and gearbox strip:
Revealed that the "Jesus" bolt that holds the input shaft into the primary shaft had come loose allowing the input shaft to move forwards out of the seal and fill the bell housing with oil. Bit of a downer, however whilst stripped I also discovered this:
Dog ring with a chunk missing
I also found this:
The intermediate drive shaft bearing housing had worn allowing the bearing to float in the housing, as this is the only bearing on that side of the diff this had caused the pinion some significant drama. So that'd be a new CWP then and a new dog ring, new second gear ratio, new "Jesus" bolt and secondary shaft nut with a smattering of seals and bearings.
The intermediate bearing housing is a Mygale part but unfortunately there are no more, I could draw it up and machine one from billet or I can take the housing back out to round, sleeve it and press fit a new bearing into it with a retainer plate on the top. I'm thinking the latter due to time and the fact anything with a loose fit bearing is always going to be a wearing part!
While it's apart it will also have a new clutch and I'm looking at what lighter flywheel options there are and if I can run a 184mm twin plate clutch as the standard setup is a mix and match of road car and Alcon bits, the later being on 10 week lead time! The release bearing was also looking nasty but that's only sold as an assembly and Sadev are on 4 - 5 weeks for it. As the carrier and surface plate was in good condition I've pressed it apart and just renewed the bearing, which was 11 quid vs 190 quid and same day
So at least if I do sell it the new owner can be safe in the knowledge that the box and clutch is fresh!
Unfortunately it means I'm going to miss Javelin this coming weekend
Looked good out there though!
Big thanks to Sprite Photography for the excellent on track pits.
Unfortunately just before lunch the clutch started slipping with the tell tale smell of gearbox oil, quick engine out:
and gearbox strip:
Revealed that the "Jesus" bolt that holds the input shaft into the primary shaft had come loose allowing the input shaft to move forwards out of the seal and fill the bell housing with oil. Bit of a downer, however whilst stripped I also discovered this:
Dog ring with a chunk missing
I also found this:
The intermediate drive shaft bearing housing had worn allowing the bearing to float in the housing, as this is the only bearing on that side of the diff this had caused the pinion some significant drama. So that'd be a new CWP then and a new dog ring, new second gear ratio, new "Jesus" bolt and secondary shaft nut with a smattering of seals and bearings.
The intermediate bearing housing is a Mygale part but unfortunately there are no more, I could draw it up and machine one from billet or I can take the housing back out to round, sleeve it and press fit a new bearing into it with a retainer plate on the top. I'm thinking the latter due to time and the fact anything with a loose fit bearing is always going to be a wearing part!
While it's apart it will also have a new clutch and I'm looking at what lighter flywheel options there are and if I can run a 184mm twin plate clutch as the standard setup is a mix and match of road car and Alcon bits, the later being on 10 week lead time! The release bearing was also looking nasty but that's only sold as an assembly and Sadev are on 4 - 5 weeks for it. As the carrier and surface plate was in good condition I've pressed it apart and just renewed the bearing, which was 11 quid vs 190 quid and same day
So at least if I do sell it the new owner can be safe in the knowledge that the box and clutch is fresh!
Unfortunately it means I'm going to miss Javelin this coming weekend
Edited by poppopbangbang on Friday 15th June 05:06
poppopbangbang said:
Had the Pug out at Bedford again this weekend - it clearly overheard me considering selling it.....
Looked good out there though!
Big thanks to Sprite Photography for the excellent on track pits.
Unfortunately just before lunch the clutch started slipping with the tell tale smell of gearbox oil, quick engine out:
and gearbox strip:
Revealed that the "Jesus" bolt that holds the input shaft into the primary shaft had come loose allowing the input shaft to move forwards out of the seal and fill the bell housing with oil. Bit of a downer, however whilst stripped I also discovered this:
Dog ring with a chunk missing
I also found this:
The intermediate drive shaft bearing housing had worn allowing the bearing to float in the housing, as this is the only bearing on that side of the diff this had caused the pinion some significant drama. So that'd be a new CWP then and a new dog ring, new second gear ratio, new "Jesus" bolt and secondary shaft nut with a smattering of seals and bearings.
The intermediate bearing housing is a Mygale part but unfortunately there are no more, I could draw it up and machine one from billet or I can take the housing back out to round, sleeve it and press fit a new bearing into it with a retainer plate on the top. I'm thinking the latter due to time and the fact anything with a loose fit bearing is always going to be a wearing part!
While it's apart it will also have a new clutch and I'm looking at what lighter flywheel options there are and if I can run a 184mm twin plate clutch as the standard setup is a mix and match of road car and Alcon bits, the later being on 10 week lead time! The release bearing was also looking nasty but that's only sold as an assembly and Sadev are on 4 - 5 weeks for it. As the carrier and surface plate was in good condition I've pressed it apart and just renewed the bearing, which was 11 quid vs 190 quid and same day
So at least if I do sell it the new owner can be safe in the knowledge that the box and clutch is fresh!
Unfortunately it means I'm going to miss Javelin this coming weekend
PPBB, I love following your threads. How youLooked good out there though!
Big thanks to Sprite Photography for the excellent on track pits.
Unfortunately just before lunch the clutch started slipping with the tell tale smell of gearbox oil, quick engine out:
and gearbox strip:
Revealed that the "Jesus" bolt that holds the input shaft into the primary shaft had come loose allowing the input shaft to move forwards out of the seal and fill the bell housing with oil. Bit of a downer, however whilst stripped I also discovered this:
Dog ring with a chunk missing
I also found this:
The intermediate drive shaft bearing housing had worn allowing the bearing to float in the housing, as this is the only bearing on that side of the diff this had caused the pinion some significant drama. So that'd be a new CWP then and a new dog ring, new second gear ratio, new "Jesus" bolt and secondary shaft nut with a smattering of seals and bearings.
The intermediate bearing housing is a Mygale part but unfortunately there are no more, I could draw it up and machine one from billet or I can take the housing back out to round, sleeve it and press fit a new bearing into it with a retainer plate on the top. I'm thinking the latter due to time and the fact anything with a loose fit bearing is always going to be a wearing part!
While it's apart it will also have a new clutch and I'm looking at what lighter flywheel options there are and if I can run a 184mm twin plate clutch as the standard setup is a mix and match of road car and Alcon bits, the later being on 10 week lead time! The release bearing was also looking nasty but that's only sold as an assembly and Sadev are on 4 - 5 weeks for it. As the carrier and surface plate was in good condition I've pressed it apart and just renewed the bearing, which was 11 quid vs 190 quid and same day
So at least if I do sell it the new owner can be safe in the knowledge that the box and clutch is fresh!
Unfortunately it means I'm going to miss Javelin this coming weekend
Edited by poppopbangbang on Friday 15th June 05:06
Make everything so simple to us mere mortals.
“Oh I. Just whipped the engine out. Stripped the gearbox, found all this damage and I’m going to design and build upgraded parts”.
Dead simple just like that.
Oh and of all the cars I still love the 911 thread the most. But after having read the Sauber/Audi thread I think you need an F1 car.
I mean that’s pretty much all pub bragging rights won.
What do you drive?
An F1 car.
I’ll get my coat.
So update. The pug is back in action:
After the small application of lots of new, shiny and quite painfully expensive bits:
Yes that's a new CWP kit from Sadev, plus it's had new dog rings, new 1st and 2nd gears etc. etc. basically a full box rebuild. I've left the diff preload alone after checking it as I am not a driving god and can't make use of a super tight diff like some can, what I excellent at though is spearing backwards into the scenery so best for everyone if I don't go crazy on the preload In addition it's had a new release bearing, intermediate drive shaft bearing, new clutch and new flywheel.
The new flywheel is 4KG lighter than the old one and seems to have made a great improvement to the engines responsiveness. I always thought the throttle blip let it down somewhat but the lower engine rotational mass now has masked that issue somewhat and the paddleshift or rather gear control strategies it is running now feel a lot more modern than they are (a lot of dev on gearbox control has happened since 2007!).
Intermediate driveshaft bearing carrier was also fixed as above. I did speak to Mygale to see if they had any more but unfortunately not so this one was machined out to remove the damaged and a shim made to put the bearing back where it needs to be. Once clamped up it is dimensionally the same as original and should be good for a long time to come, especially considering as the previous one was original to the car!
The broken bits aren't actually that broken bar a dog ring but as it's quite a job to pull the engine and box and the ratios aren't accessible in situ it was silly not to address all the worn/coming up to life bits whilst it was apart.
If nothing else the big gearbox service is now done and it's ready for the next few thousand KMs.
Oh and we made one more addition to the rear of the car :
After the small application of lots of new, shiny and quite painfully expensive bits:
Yes that's a new CWP kit from Sadev, plus it's had new dog rings, new 1st and 2nd gears etc. etc. basically a full box rebuild. I've left the diff preload alone after checking it as I am not a driving god and can't make use of a super tight diff like some can, what I excellent at though is spearing backwards into the scenery so best for everyone if I don't go crazy on the preload
In addition it's had a new release bearing, intermediate drive shaft bearing, new clutch and new flywheel. The new flywheel is 4KG lighter than the old one and seems to have made a great improvement to the engines responsiveness. I always thought the throttle blip let it down somewhat but the lower engine rotational mass now has masked that issue somewhat and the paddleshift or rather gear control strategies it is running now feel a lot more modern than they are (a lot of dev on gearbox control has happened since 2007!).
Intermediate driveshaft bearing carrier was also fixed as above. I did speak to Mygale to see if they had any more but unfortunately not so this one was machined out to remove the damaged and a shim made to put the bearing back where it needs to be. Once clamped up it is dimensionally the same as original and should be good for a long time to come, especially considering as the previous one was original to the car!
The broken bits aren't actually that broken bar a dog ring but as it's quite a job to pull the engine and box and the ratios aren't accessible in situ it was silly not to address all the worn/coming up to life bits whilst it was apart.
If nothing else the big gearbox service is now done and it's ready for the next few thousand KMs.
Oh and we made one more addition to the rear of the car
:
Well I've put the Pug on e-bay today. Mixed feelings to be honest as it's an incredible thing and a pleasure to race. It never fails to grab attention where ever it goes but the mission is on now to acquire an F1 as if I don't do it now I may never do it.
I "might" get a cheap single seater to slag around in the mean time..... just to keep my eye in you understand
I "might" get a cheap single seater to slag around in the mean time..... just to keep my eye in you understand
poppopbangbang said:
Well I've put the Pug on e-bay today. Mixed feelings to be honest as it's an incredible thing and a pleasure to race. It never fails to grab attention where ever it goes but the mission is on now to acquire an F1 as if I don't do it now I may never do it.
I "might" get a cheap single seater to slag around in the mean time..... just to keep my eye in you understand
*looks at listing*I "might" get a cheap single seater to slag around in the mean time..... just to keep my eye in you understand
*looks at savings account*
*looks at listing*
*looks at savings account*
Wife sees me in online banking, asks, suspiciously "Why you looking at that at this time of night?"
*unplugs router to avoid financial stress/divorce*
Sorry, you'll have to find another buyer. Helluva machine though
poppopbangbang said:
Well I've put the Pug on e-bay today. Mixed feelings to be honest as it's an incredible thing and a pleasure to race. It never fails to grab attention where ever it goes but the mission is on now to acquire an F1 as if I don't do it now I may never do it.
I "might" get a cheap single seater to slag around in the mean time..... just to keep my eye in you understand
Such a cool car, just had a read of the listing, a bit out of my price range haha.I "might" get a cheap single seater to slag around in the mean time..... just to keep my eye in you understand
This may sound weird but on the subject of Ebay, did you buy some presto taps recently? I think I recognise your eBay user name.
James96 said:
Such a cool car, just had a read of the listing, a bit out of my price range haha.
This may sound weird but on the subject of Ebay, did you buy some presto taps recently? I think I recognise your eBay user name.
I've just had a look and as far as I can tell we haven't, however it's the sort of thing we do buy so please send me a message if you think you can help us out! This may sound weird but on the subject of Ebay, did you buy some presto taps recently? I think I recognise your eBay user name.
Small update. I drove the Pug through the sleepy village I live in for the yearly fete the other weekend. Hilarious I think is the best way to sum it up
Oh and I've found an F1.
All I need to do now is sell the Pug, the plane, a kidney and anything that's not bolted down and we're set!
Oh and I've found an F1.
All I need to do now is sell the Pug, the plane, a kidney and anything that's not bolted down and we're set!
Edited by poppopbangbang on Wednesday 11th July 00:19
Well this afternoon I went into my garage and... wait... what’s that?
Heheh.
Many thanks to PPBB for the delivery and extended hand over notes... I think I got it
It’s an awesome looking thing even if we did have a right royal faff getting it over the edge of the driveway - and that’s apparently on “medium” height....
Anyway - dead excited to try the car and I have a few plans of my own to take it forwards so I’ll keep updating here as and when...
Heheh.
Many thanks to PPBB for the delivery and extended hand over notes... I think I got it
It’s an awesome looking thing even if we did have a right royal faff getting it over the edge of the driveway - and that’s apparently on “medium” height....
Anyway - dead excited to try the car and I have a few plans of my own to take it forwards so I’ll keep updating here as and when...
Haha yes I think there is half an F1 team in my pit box now 
First thing that we have noticed is the sheer size of the thing - it’s around 1850 wide and 4300 long - I had had the idea of getting a big van to transport it but somehow I thought it would be more Caterham sized - erm, no...
Would need a pretty serious van for that and I’m not going to fancy driving that to work every morning!
First thing that we have noticed is the sheer size of the thing - it’s around 1850 wide and 4300 long - I had had the idea of getting a big van to transport it but somehow I thought it would be more Caterham sized - erm, no...
Would need a pretty serious van for that and I’m not going to fancy driving that to work every morning!
Julian, Great to meet you earlier! I am so pleased the Pug has gone to someone who will use and enjoy it as I have, it's a special thing and one of a very few now. I am very sad to see it go.
I think we got through everything in hand over but my phones always on if you need anything.
I think we got through everything in hand over but my phones always on if you need anything.
Thanks guys. So first off I’ve been weighing up options. I can change my van for a Luton style van - it would be a fair step up in size from my transit custom lwb to that though and I have to drive it to work every day- I could get some benefit from the extra size of van at work though perhaps.
Other option is to go for a covered trailer but that won’t really fit in the garage too well and outside it has a footprint bigger than the bigger van if I also keep the existing van. So that’s a non starter.
Final choice is a standard race trailer and stick the car on it on the four post ramp in the garage for storage. That’s certainly the cheapest option. And I want to have a go in the car NOW not next year
Been looking at bodywork options - I really can’t get on with the dzus fasteners. They don’t all work and if you lean on the car in the wrong place some pop out! I’m considering removing the bodywork to get it painted in my firms colours and at the same time filling the fasteners in with fibreglass in favour of something else. What were those other things you were telling me about Matt? Will be looking to this as the winter closes in.
We are also looking to see if we can obtain a spare power unit to play with so that once I get to grips with driving it we can drop something in with more power whilst not risking the original motor that we can keep on standby.
Other than that it seems to be in mighty fine shape exactly as you’d expect from someone like the O/P....
Other option is to go for a covered trailer but that won’t really fit in the garage too well and outside it has a footprint bigger than the bigger van if I also keep the existing van. So that’s a non starter.
Final choice is a standard race trailer and stick the car on it on the four post ramp in the garage for storage. That’s certainly the cheapest option. And I want to have a go in the car NOW not next year
Been looking at bodywork options - I really can’t get on with the dzus fasteners. They don’t all work and if you lean on the car in the wrong place some pop out! I’m considering removing the bodywork to get it painted in my firms colours and at the same time filling the fasteners in with fibreglass in favour of something else. What were those other things you were telling me about Matt? Will be looking to this as the winter closes in.
We are also looking to see if we can obtain a spare power unit to play with so that once I get to grips with driving it we can drop something in with more power whilst not risking the original motor that we can keep on standby.
Other than that it seems to be in mighty fine shape exactly as you’d expect from someone like the O/P....
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