I've bought a Peugeot 207!
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poppopbangbang said:
Julian Thompson said:
Thanks - I was monitoring the fuel pressure on the dash as the misfire happened and I saw no change - I seem to recall fuel pressure of around 150 (!) under load. Sound about right?
Yep that's about right if memory serves. The HPFP was one of the items I replaced when I got hold of the car so that should still be in rude health given the low mileage it has done. The first sign of them failing is when it requires lots and lots (like 30 seconds+) of cranking to start from cold so if it's firing up relatively on the button it is unlikely to be that. VVT solenoid is a really good shout as they have a habit of not working on a lot of things when left to their own devices for a while, it would also explain why it isn't pulling all the revs! I'd definitely put that on the replace list to be sure.
It's made my day to see the pictures of it back out on circuit, I absolutely love that car and the reaction it gets from others
Will do as you have suggested on all counts...
Back in action tonight at Donington again. Coil packs changed, plugs changed and VVT solenoid changed and the misfire is gone! Fantastic news!
We do have a bit more power but it’s still not quite quick enough for me - if you’re catching the car in front what happens is that they get confused because I don’t have the power to blast past on the straights so you kind of get stuck.
Car was awesome though tonight - the only glitch was that the gear display readout failed after the first session and just says “6” all the time. Sure that’s no big deal and the guys will look at that.
Running 28psi hot all round on the tyres and the understeer seems to be gone. The guys searched for the roll bar adjustment but couldn’t find it.
Trying hard tonight! Next outing is Brands on 14 July - aiming for a few upgrades before then!
df76 said:
Great to see it on track. What's the power / weight??
The standard “non evo” spec is supposed to be 170hp and 720kg. This car is, I’m fairly sure, an “Evo” - and so should make 220hp. Pretty sure that PPBB had it on a hub dyno and got close to that.I’ve been running with a passenger for every single lap I’ve driven it so I guess I’ve been used to about 800kg plus me.
It’s terrific fun but not fast enough on a modern track day where even hatchbacks have 400hp! What happens is that with clear air ahead of you you can begin to cleave time off and you start to really motor on but as soon as you get stuck in traffic you can’t use the corner speed and they just burn you off up the straights!
On these modern track days the “I’m not letting you past until you prove to me beyond every doubt that you’re faster around a lap” mantra is well and alive! Except those boys have now all got 400hp!
Julian Thompson said:
The standard “non evo” spec is supposed to be 170hp and 720kg. This car is, I’m fairly sure, an “Evo” - and so should make 220hp. Pretty sure that PPBB had it on a hub dyno and got close to that.
I’ve been running with a passenger for every single lap I’ve driven it so I guess I’ve been used to about 800kg plus me.
It’s terrific fun but not fast enough on a modern track day where even hatchbacks have 400hp! What happens is that with clear air ahead of you you can begin to cleave time off and you start to really motor on but as soon as you get stuck in traffic you can’t use the corner speed and they just burn you off up the straights!
On these modern track days the “I’m not letting you past until you prove to me beyond every doubt that you’re faster around a lap” mantra is well and alive! Except those boys have now all got 400hp!
Yep, I can imagine that's frustrating.. there must be some decent engine upgrade options. Presumably it's just a N14 / N18 that was found in the 207 Gti and Cooper S's. I suppose it's not getting any lighter (not sure I'd want to mess with it).I’ve been running with a passenger for every single lap I’ve driven it so I guess I’ve been used to about 800kg plus me.
It’s terrific fun but not fast enough on a modern track day where even hatchbacks have 400hp! What happens is that with clear air ahead of you you can begin to cleave time off and you start to really motor on but as soon as you get stuck in traffic you can’t use the corner speed and they just burn you off up the straights!
On these modern track days the “I’m not letting you past until you prove to me beyond every doubt that you’re faster around a lap” mantra is well and alive! Except those boys have now all got 400hp!
df76 said:
Yep, I can imagine that's frustrating.. there must be some decent engine upgrade options. Presumably it's just a N14 / N18 that was found in the 207 Gti and Cooper S's. I suppose it's not getting any lighter (not sure I'd want to mess with it).
Looks exactly like a n14/N18 so loooooads out there and easy 250+bhp poppopbangbang said:
Very best option is Tridair Live Locks which are what is generally used in F1 - https://jet-tek.com/tridair-structural-panel-faste... available from Trident at Silverstone or Clarendon FS among others - http://www.tridentracing.co.uk/racing-supplies/tri... , http://www.clarendonsf.com/products/commercial/pan... but make sure you a sitting down when you price them up! There isn't really a better option though.
Bit late but those spring retainers on the stud nuts are always popping off, very annoying when you can't find where it went.5harp3y said:
df76 said:
Yep, I can imagine that's frustrating.. there must be some decent engine upgrade options. Presumably it's just a N14 / N18 that was found in the 207 Gti and Cooper S's. I suppose it's not getting any lighter (not sure I'd want to mess with it).
Looks exactly like a n14/N18 so loooooads out there and easy 250+bhp I reckon if we could get 250hp it’d be ok. Like you say the weight is pretty much fixed. Ok I need to go on a diet. But the car, fixed.
Julian Thompson said:
So that’s an n14 then, and all looks fairly standard. Taken to the right place a remap to 230-250bhp should be possible, any more than that would require a better turbo.Some reading here, including tuning advice. https://www.lohen.co.uk/blog/how-do-the-n14-n18-mi...
Okay so Matt at Pug1Off reckons that we could rebuild the motor with forged internals and stick a bigger turbo on it and aim at 320hp. We would still need to find someone who can map the Marelli Motorsport ECU for definite.
Or, the other option I thought about was - what about a K20 or Duratec in supercharged flavours? Would they fit do you think and could we make the Sadev box work?
Or, the other option I thought about was - what about a K20 or Duratec in supercharged flavours? Would they fit do you think and could we make the Sadev box work?
Julian Thompson said:
Okay so Matt at Pug1Off reckons that we could rebuild the motor with forged internals and stick a bigger turbo on it and aim at 320hp. We would still need to find someone who can map the Marelli Motorsport ECU for definite.
Or, the other option I thought about was - what about a K20 or Duratec in supercharged flavours? Would they fit do you think and could we make the Sadev box work?
The chassis was designed to take pretty much anything, it was a Mygale program before it was a Peugeot program Or, the other option I thought about was - what about a K20 or Duratec in supercharged flavours? Would they fit do you think and could we make the Sadev box work?
I always thought a rorty NA Duratec with 300bhp in the back would be incredible (and lighter!) and even that wouldn't give the chassis anything like a hard time. As for the gearbox the bell housing is a bolt on and there are plenty of options for Duratec, K20 etc. available that will go straight on the front. You may need an input shaft change if there is a length issue but that's just a bolt in to the ST75. Steve at SWR motorsport will happily sort you out with anything you need.
There are some guys in Germany who apparently have the CFGs and maps for the Spider, if you can get hold of them then I have a copy of Wintax and we can work it out from there. Most of the F1 motors I've calibrated have been on Marelli. If you do want to engine swap it then it's no drama to sort a replacement GCU too to run the gearbox - you have all the Le Mans spec Shiftec stuff on there vs what they originally came with after all
and that means we can make it work with pretty much any ECU or engine as required. Alternatively you could engineer another ECU on there and replace the original Marelli stuff but keep the Peugeot motor. Had a great day at Brands Hatch yesterday with this car - full GP circuit too. It ran perfectly again all day lap after lap and I still can’t stop grinning now (autocorrect just made that into “grinding” so I’m glad I spotted that )
Nice to see you there Matt also!
Couple of bad quality videos of it. Firstly we left a bit of protective film on the lens of the (Chinese copy) “go pro” style camera. Secondly I haven’t a clue how to edit video so I videoed it playing on my MacBook!
If you look at one of the clips you’ll see that on the last lap I get black flagged. Someone then crashes and the session is red flagged and actually that was the end of the day anyway so I never found out why I got that! I really cannot see anything I did wrong?
)Nice to see you there Matt also!
Couple of bad quality videos of it. Firstly we left a bit of protective film on the lens of the (Chinese copy) “go pro” style camera. Secondly I haven’t a clue how to edit video so I videoed it playing on my MacBook!
If you look at one of the clips you’ll see that on the last lap I get black flagged. Someone then crashes and the session is red flagged and actually that was the end of the day anyway so I never found out why I got that! I really cannot see anything I did wrong?
Back in action at Croft today on a very lightly attended track day - as the day went on we pretty much had the circuit to ourselves and really managed to put some fast laps together.
I never quite managed to take the Jim Clark Esses and Barcroft combination flat - it felt like it might just hang on but that I would have been pushing deep into “10/10ths” territory rather than the self imposed 9/10ths that I try to do at the track days.
It was really interesting that at this circuit the car felt right at home and to be honest it didn’t need any more power to be incredible fun.
I was also told that the pads were down to almost the metal after brands hatch - so that’s two trackdays and one evening session to do a set of them!
Next stop will be Goodwood in a couple of weeks!
I never quite managed to take the Jim Clark Esses and Barcroft combination flat - it felt like it might just hang on but that I would have been pushing deep into “10/10ths” territory rather than the self imposed 9/10ths that I try to do at the track days.
It was really interesting that at this circuit the car felt right at home and to be honest it didn’t need any more power to be incredible fun.
I was also told that the pads were down to almost the metal after brands hatch - so that’s two trackdays and one evening session to do a set of them!
Next stop will be Goodwood in a couple of weeks!
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