I've bought a Peugeot 207!
Discussion
Bungleaio said:
That looks great fun!
I vote for keeping the black back box
It's got to go unfortunately as I need to get it quiter.I vote for keeping the black back box
I'm thinking of using two of the same silencers mounted horizontally in the rear with an exit into each diffuser tunnel to provide some blow. That will double the silencer size and reduce the noise due to the exit under the car.
Awesome pic by Sprite Photography of it on circuit last weekend.
Would have liked to have ran a few more laps but it was just too loud so that's something I really need to get sorted as a priority - blown diffuser anyone?
Also need some fresher slicks and wets because I have nothing newer than 2012 in the right sizes
Would have liked to have ran a few more laps but it was just too loud so that's something I really need to get sorted as a priority - blown diffuser anyone?
Also need some fresher slicks and wets because I have nothing newer than 2012 in the right sizes
travel is dangerous said:
have you thought about transplanting that v10 I saw in the background of one of the photos?
That would rather negate the "cheap track toy" part of the plan though...... not to mention we have much better chassis available to put that in that could do it much more justice I'm working on gaining access to the SRA ECU so we can look at some power options. I think 300bhp should be easy with only a change of pistons, rods and turbos which would make it over 400bhp/tonne.
Krikkit said:
Does make it a touch easier then. 
Looks good now it's clean, I love the juxtaposition of the gopping 207 face on something that's obviously got a proper turn of speed.
Me too - I think that's probably my favourite part about it! I did claim at Bedford the other weekend that it was a 207 HDI with a body kit but I don't think the chap believed me Looks good now it's clean, I love the juxtaposition of the gopping 207 face on something that's obviously got a proper turn of speed.
Few bits done today in the run up to Xmas break.
Firstly as we all know shiny things add power so I've added some shiny pipes to the engine bay:
There is actually a reason for this beyond bling, the standard delivery pipes are sourced from the road car and are thermoplastic. The Spider doesn't run a blow off valve of any description (it's blanked off the compressor housing) to minimise boost drop between gears as such the pre throttle side of the inlet system can see some big spikes in pressure beyond that it usually runs at and a few cars in the past have had cracked IC to Throttle body pipes. These formed aluminium ones are stronger than the plastic ones and are one less thing to worry about.
I've also designed the exhaust system, CTE will make this in the new year:
It's a single transverse silencer box which mounts to the rear of the space frame via large rubber compliance mounrts with a single entry positioned to link to the original exhaust section (although we'll be removing the flexi from this as it's carry over from the road car and functionless on the race car aside from burning the floor), the silencer splits into two internally and exits from each end of the silencer box through the floor as far forward into the diffuser tunnels as possible. Partly this reduces noise but more importantly it adds some blow to the diffuser when on throttle, you can see from Sennas upside down 91 Mclaren:
How the early blown diffusers worked simply by relying on introducing high velocity exhaust into the diffuser. Whilst my solution isn't quite as nice as I can't optimise the entry angle due to rear suspension packaging it will be interesting to see what effect it has if any. Probably not worth investegating cold/hot blow strategies right now
The new shift servo brackets are at the anodisers so I should have those back to fit after Xmas. I'm also going to beef up a few bits of bodywork (front leading edge, engine cover buttress joints etc.) with some carbon, I think the weight penalty is worth it for the improved durability as I have no spare bodywork. Once that's done I might have a look at if I can talk to the ECU and if there is any boost left that's not being used.......
Really enjoying this little Pug, it's a great bit of kit and a VERY fun thing to throw about. Definitely one of my best automotive buys ever
Firstly as we all know shiny things add power so I've added some shiny pipes to the engine bay:
There is actually a reason for this beyond bling, the standard delivery pipes are sourced from the road car and are thermoplastic. The Spider doesn't run a blow off valve of any description (it's blanked off the compressor housing) to minimise boost drop between gears as such the pre throttle side of the inlet system can see some big spikes in pressure beyond that it usually runs at and a few cars in the past have had cracked IC to Throttle body pipes. These formed aluminium ones are stronger than the plastic ones and are one less thing to worry about.
I've also designed the exhaust system, CTE will make this in the new year:
It's a single transverse silencer box which mounts to the rear of the space frame via large rubber compliance mounrts with a single entry positioned to link to the original exhaust section (although we'll be removing the flexi from this as it's carry over from the road car and functionless on the race car aside from burning the floor), the silencer splits into two internally and exits from each end of the silencer box through the floor as far forward into the diffuser tunnels as possible. Partly this reduces noise but more importantly it adds some blow to the diffuser when on throttle, you can see from Sennas upside down 91 Mclaren:
How the early blown diffusers worked simply by relying on introducing high velocity exhaust into the diffuser. Whilst my solution isn't quite as nice as I can't optimise the entry angle due to rear suspension packaging it will be interesting to see what effect it has if any. Probably not worth investegating cold/hot blow strategies right now
The new shift servo brackets are at the anodisers so I should have those back to fit after Xmas. I'm also going to beef up a few bits of bodywork (front leading edge, engine cover buttress joints etc.) with some carbon, I think the weight penalty is worth it for the improved durability as I have no spare bodywork. Once that's done I might have a look at if I can talk to the ECU and if there is any boost left that's not being used.......
Really enjoying this little Pug, it's a great bit of kit and a VERY fun thing to throw about. Definitely one of my best automotive buys ever
As there was a fair few stress cracks in the bodywork it seemed a good idea to pull the body off as this allowed much more access to fix them and opportunity to clean and inspect the frame etc. All the bodywork has now been repaired and beefed up, the floor has had some ally skid plates made for the areas behind the front wheels and the frames had a massive clean up and freshen along with the various looms etc. that run along it. Well worth doing but a bit of a task. It also gave chance to clean and repaint the seat shell and polish the floors along with stripping, cleaning and rebuilding the pedal box.
Intercoolers also had a spruce whilst they were easy to get off:
As well as this I've come up with a a plan for brakes - there was a bit of head scratching here as the brakes have to work from the first pedal input for sprinting so as a first option I've gone to a road car pad (same friction material I use in the Porsche) and we'll see what this is like. As cool as fitting some carbons off the F1s would have been this wasn't really a go'er for sprint use
I'll test these towards the end of Feb when the car has the final shakedown before the start of the season and fingers crossed they'll do the trick. It's a fairly big pad and a fairly light car so I'm hoping this is a good solution, especially as it is super cheap!
Things left to do now are rebuild the dash display, dyno the dampers and service as required, make a skid plate for the nose and change the front bodywork fastening system, drop the car over to CTE for the exhaust fabrication and fit the preheater take offs as I want to be able to heat the car before start up as this will avoid the risk of being over cool on the start line. I've also got some new wheels on the way from Rimstock to alloy me to run a 265 profile rear tyre as it has to run a road legal tyre in sprints!
Hopefully the balance is still good with the wider rear!
Intercoolers also had a spruce whilst they were easy to get off:
As well as this I've come up with a a plan for brakes - there was a bit of head scratching here as the brakes have to work from the first pedal input for sprinting so as a first option I've gone to a road car pad (same friction material I use in the Porsche) and we'll see what this is like. As cool as fitting some carbons off the F1s would have been this wasn't really a go'er for sprint use
I'll test these towards the end of Feb when the car has the final shakedown before the start of the season and fingers crossed they'll do the trick. It's a fairly big pad and a fairly light car so I'm hoping this is a good solution, especially as it is super cheap!
Things left to do now are rebuild the dash display, dyno the dampers and service as required, make a skid plate for the nose and change the front bodywork fastening system, drop the car over to CTE for the exhaust fabrication and fit the preheater take offs as I want to be able to heat the car before start up as this will avoid the risk of being over cool on the start line. I've also got some new wheels on the way from Rimstock to alloy me to run a 265 profile rear tyre as it has to run a road legal tyre in sprints!
Hopefully the balance is still good with the wider rear!
JS1500 said:
You really are fond of this beastie, aren't you?!
Looking forward to seeing how you get on with it in competition.
Yep! I worked with them when I was much younger and much further down the motorsport career ladder so to have one of my own to play with now feels pretty awesome to be honest! Looking forward to seeing how you get on with it in competition.
By the way if anyone wants to see the Pug then it went off to Autosport last night, it will be on the Moetefindt Trailers stand, number 2200 showing just how well super low things fit in their kit
Not a lot will be happening with it for the next month or so as I am flat out with work. Once it's back from Autosport we'll finish off the paddleshift modifications and probably have the dampers off to dyno but the next big things like exhaust, wheels and front floor will be a few weeks off for manufacture alone. I'm aiming to get it out for a shakedown on the new tyre option at the end of Feb and get a bit of testing in during March then it'll have final prep before the start of the season and hopefully be ready to bring home some trophies!
Not a lot will be happening with it for the next month or so as I am flat out with work. Once it's back from Autosport we'll finish off the paddleshift modifications and probably have the dampers off to dyno but the next big things like exhaust, wheels and front floor will be a few weeks off for manufacture alone. I'm aiming to get it out for a shakedown on the new tyre option at the end of Feb and get a bit of testing in during March then it'll have final prep before the start of the season and hopefully be ready to bring home some trophies!
Well now that I've sold most of my toys there is budget to get the Pug race ready. Not long to go now so progress needs to be swift!
First up new belts, made to suit the car/me by TRS as the fixing points are a bit odd and much more like a Formula car than a sports car:
Also built up a new rad to replace the aging LH rad and went up a fan size which as sprint use can involve a bit of idling at the start isn't a bad idea to keep the coolant temps low.
Test fitted the fuel dry breaks with some 3D printed mounts, as these are a good fit I'll machine them from billet now:
No need to worry about what happens if the car rolls and they get cleaved off the side of the hoop - there is a one way in the filler at the tank and a roll over on the breather at the tank.
Finally CTE have finished the exhaust system and they have done an amazing job as always. Absolutely amazing to be fair!
It is packaged across the rear of the car with the exits into the diffuser tunnels as discussed earlier in the thread. The car should be quite enough for any UK circuit now!
The exits into the diffuser are particularly nicely done! Ideally you'd want a shallower entry angle but that's just not possible on the Pug due to the engine location and its transverse installation:
Testing next month - can't wait! Fingers crossed the wheels, tyres and remaining bits turn up in time!
First up new belts, made to suit the car/me by TRS as the fixing points are a bit odd and much more like a Formula car than a sports car:
Also built up a new rad to replace the aging LH rad and went up a fan size which as sprint use can involve a bit of idling at the start isn't a bad idea to keep the coolant temps low.
Test fitted the fuel dry breaks with some 3D printed mounts, as these are a good fit I'll machine them from billet now:
No need to worry about what happens if the car rolls and they get cleaved off the side of the hoop - there is a one way in the filler at the tank and a roll over on the breather at the tank.
Finally CTE have finished the exhaust system and they have done an amazing job as always. Absolutely amazing to be fair!
It is packaged across the rear of the car with the exits into the diffuser tunnels as discussed earlier in the thread. The car should be quite enough for any UK circuit now!
The exits into the diffuser are particularly nicely done! Ideally you'd want a shallower entry angle but that's just not possible on the Pug due to the engine location and its transverse installation:
Testing next month - can't wait! Fingers crossed the wheels, tyres and remaining bits turn up in time!
ajprice said:
Brilliant car!
I know it's a racing chassis, but what would it take to make it road legal?
Too much really, it is all pull rod suspension so you would need to get into fabricating new bits to get the ride height into it that was required for road use. Under the current regs it would also need some sort of emissions control, hazards, indicators, lights etc. most of the interior surfaces would probably fail and the radiator ducts definitely won't pass the babies head test. Everything is possible but it would cost a lot and not really be the same car any more. I know it's a racing chassis, but what would it take to make it road legal?
Best to stick to confusing people on a track day instead
Well good day testing at Bedford yesterday, despite the weather and track conditions being pretty poor it was nice to be able to see what the car did in low grip conditions on the tyres I'll be running in Javelin Sprint Series.
Gearbox performance was excellent, absolutely no missed shifts all day, the Shiftec gear shift servo worked absolutely flawlessly. Engine performance was good too with no issues until it spat a boost hose off on the last run, I knew this was a bit questionable as it's one of the few remaining road car bits on there so time to make a nice mandrel bent ally one to replace it.
The car is quite oversteer biased on slow corner exit so we need to look at that and decide if it's just conditions on the day, geo or worth going up a tyre size on the rear for more mechanical but otherwise balance is really good. It was also super quite all day which makes a nice change compared to where we started and the mods to front clip and rear bodywork stays have stopped the flapping bodywork issues too. All round a succesful test and I'm looking forward to Snetterton at the end of the month now!
Quick note to the guys who wanted to see the Porsche - apologies we had to shoot off an hour early. When you're there next come and knock on the workshop door!
Gearbox performance was excellent, absolutely no missed shifts all day, the Shiftec gear shift servo worked absolutely flawlessly. Engine performance was good too with no issues until it spat a boost hose off on the last run, I knew this was a bit questionable as it's one of the few remaining road car bits on there so time to make a nice mandrel bent ally one to replace it.
The car is quite oversteer biased on slow corner exit so we need to look at that and decide if it's just conditions on the day, geo or worth going up a tyre size on the rear for more mechanical but otherwise balance is really good. It was also super quite all day which makes a nice change compared to where we started and the mods to front clip and rear bodywork stays have stopped the flapping bodywork issues too. All round a succesful test and I'm looking forward to Snetterton at the end of the month now!
Quick note to the guys who wanted to see the Porsche - apologies we had to shoot off an hour early. When you're there next come and knock on the workshop door!
The Pugs had a bit of work over the last couple of weeks and as of this evening appears to be ready for the first round of Sprint Series this coming weekend
Team Dynamics came through making a wheel option that allowed me to run a 265 rear tyre which can only be a good thing in calming down the cars balance towards oversteer. Plus I think they look very good too!
265 ZZR rears look much more beefy than the skinny 210 Michelins!
You can see the additional strengthening I've added to the rear bodywork too here, we found that with the gurneys in "high" the aero load was deforming the rear bodywork at speed so a bit of beefing up here has solved that problem and should make the bodywork a bit more capable of dealing with a tyre failure or knock too!
We've also changed the front bodywork mounting and front floor support to beef this up a bit as it was getting hammered on circuit from the nose bottoming out and the front floor pushing the front bodywork up. It has cost a couple of KGs but at Bedford you can now launch it over the kerbs without so much as a wiggle from the bodywork so well worth it I think.
It also means the strength is there to extend the front floor and run a proper downforce generating from splitter!
On the last test we had some pressure tappings in the air inlet, post filter section of the airbox and turbo inlet which showed at high boost that the standard filter was really too small (and explained why the PS spec one was basically see through!). It's not that surprising as the standard airbox was originally designed for around 150bhp output and the engine is currently making 220 - 230bhp. We worked out with a bit of eyeballing that we could simply ditch the original airbox from the rear of the engine and use the pass through in the bulkhead that originally fed it to route an inlet pipe allowing us to mount an open filter with much more surface area the other side of the bulkhead over the top of the fuel tank. This in turn is fed from the intake above the PAS seat that originally fed the airbox (and cools the alternator so it's not like we had any positive airbox pressure advantage originally!)
This has given around 40% more filter area than we had with a like for like filter material so should solve the problem! It's also taken about 90cm out of the pre turbo inlet length as well.
As the car will run in OSS as well this year and as such needs a catch tank to meet regs we've fitted one now, removing the original airbox from the back of the engine allowed us to use that room to mount a 2L Mocal tank off the rear upper frame rail reinforcement bar with a fabricated bracket:
We've also fitted some one ways to the top of the tank, which I think I might have mentioned before, just in case I manage to perform a spectacular barrel roll and cleave the fillers off the roll hoop
Finally I've got a seat too, the worlds cheapest, nastiest, expanding foam and tape seat but budget is tight and I now fit the car well
I think the old girl is looking pretty good now and I can't wait to see how it goes this weekend
Team Dynamics came through making a wheel option that allowed me to run a 265 rear tyre which can only be a good thing in calming down the cars balance towards oversteer. Plus I think they look very good too!
265 ZZR rears look much more beefy than the skinny 210 Michelins!
You can see the additional strengthening I've added to the rear bodywork too here, we found that with the gurneys in "high" the aero load was deforming the rear bodywork at speed so a bit of beefing up here has solved that problem and should make the bodywork a bit more capable of dealing with a tyre failure or knock too!
We've also changed the front bodywork mounting and front floor support to beef this up a bit as it was getting hammered on circuit from the nose bottoming out and the front floor pushing the front bodywork up. It has cost a couple of KGs but at Bedford you can now launch it over the kerbs without so much as a wiggle from the bodywork so well worth it I think.
It also means the strength is there to extend the front floor and run a proper downforce generating from splitter!
On the last test we had some pressure tappings in the air inlet, post filter section of the airbox and turbo inlet which showed at high boost that the standard filter was really too small (and explained why the PS spec one was basically see through!). It's not that surprising as the standard airbox was originally designed for around 150bhp output and the engine is currently making 220 - 230bhp. We worked out with a bit of eyeballing that we could simply ditch the original airbox from the rear of the engine and use the pass through in the bulkhead that originally fed it to route an inlet pipe allowing us to mount an open filter with much more surface area the other side of the bulkhead over the top of the fuel tank. This in turn is fed from the intake above the PAS seat that originally fed the airbox (and cools the alternator so it's not like we had any positive airbox pressure advantage originally!)
This has given around 40% more filter area than we had with a like for like filter material so should solve the problem! It's also taken about 90cm out of the pre turbo inlet length as well.
As the car will run in OSS as well this year and as such needs a catch tank to meet regs we've fitted one now, removing the original airbox from the back of the engine allowed us to use that room to mount a 2L Mocal tank off the rear upper frame rail reinforcement bar with a fabricated bracket:
We've also fitted some one ways to the top of the tank, which I think I might have mentioned before, just in case I manage to perform a spectacular barrel roll and cleave the fillers off the roll hoop
Finally I've got a seat too, the worlds cheapest, nastiest, expanding foam and tape seat but budget is tight and I now fit the car well
I think the old girl is looking pretty good now and I can't wait to see how it goes this weekend
Edited by poppopbangbang on Wednesday 28th March 21:58
OvalOwl said:
poppop, I think you have given us a great shot of your other old girl's rear plate up there! The eagle eyed will be able to figure out the reg on your knackered old Porsche.
I was hoping two digits missing would be enough? Especially as the miserable git that "phoned it in" last time has now gone for good but I've edited it to be safe Edited by poppopbangbang on Wednesday 28th March 21:59
So I have a dilema.
The Sauber C30 we built for Heritage F1 with Audi power has turned out to be an incredible bit of kit...... there is an outside chance I can get hold of a similar era F1 chassis and have a shot at building one for myself but to do it I'd need to sell quite a few of the toys including the Pug.
I'm torn as last time out at Blyton it was fantastic and it continues to get quicker the more time I spend in it but owning an F1 of my own would be the completion of a lifetime dream. Does anyone fancy taking the Peugeot on if I do decide to go for it?
The Sauber C30 we built for Heritage F1 with Audi power has turned out to be an incredible bit of kit...... there is an outside chance I can get hold of a similar era F1 chassis and have a shot at building one for myself but to do it I'd need to sell quite a few of the toys including the Pug.
I'm torn as last time out at Blyton it was fantastic and it continues to get quicker the more time I spend in it but owning an F1 of my own would be the completion of a lifetime dream. Does anyone fancy taking the Peugeot on if I do decide to go for it?
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