1983 Ford Sierra BASE (Poverty/UN Spec)
Discussion
s m said:
You could get those Granada Mk2 in 2.1 diesel and then later 2.5 diesel.
For anyone above complaining the 1.3 Kent Capri was slow, then they'd never experienced one of those 2.1D Granadas!
Only big exec motor that seemed as slow were those Merc W123s of the same era with the 3litre diesel - I think a 1.3 Capri would have roasted either of those pair off the lights.
Actually there may have been another contender! Years back a mate of mine who was in the trade had a Mercedes 190 2.0d Auto for a while. We took it to Lydden Hill once to watch some rallycross - to join a roundabout you had to be sure there wasn't another car anywhere in sight. It really was dangerously slow, but it cruised very nicely at 80 once you managed to get there! For anyone above complaining the 1.3 Kent Capri was slow, then they'd never experienced one of those 2.1D Granadas!
Only big exec motor that seemed as slow were those Merc W123s of the same era with the 3litre diesel - I think a 1.3 Capri would have roasted either of those pair off the lights.
Mr Tidy said:
Actually there may have been another contender! Years back a mate of mine who was in the trade had a Mercedes 190 2.0d Auto for a while. We took it to Lydden Hill once to watch some rallycross - to join a roundabout you had to be sure there wasn't another car anywhere in sight. It really was dangerously slow, but it cruised very nicely at 80 once you managed to get there!
Oh no that brings back memories, many years after having that 1300 Capri I had a splendid 190 E, except it wasn't splendid at all it was taxi spec so it came in flat beige paint, cloth beige seats, manual gears, and that stonking 2.0d engine, no turbo and no acceleration in any gear, but as you say it was ok once the speed slowly built up. I think it had wind up windows as well but cant remember. Mr Tidy said:
s m said:
You could get those Granada Mk2 in 2.1 diesel and then later 2.5 diesel.
For anyone above complaining the 1.3 Kent Capri was slow, then they'd never experienced one of those 2.1D Granadas!
Only big exec motor that seemed as slow were those Merc W123s of the same era with the 3litre diesel - I think a 1.3 Capri would have roasted either of those pair off the lights.
Actually there may have been another contender! Years back a mate of mine who was in the trade had a Mercedes 190 2.0d Auto for a while. We took it to Lydden Hill once to watch some rallycross - to join a roundabout you had to be sure there wasn't another car anywhere in sight. It really was dangerously slow, but it cruised very nicely at 80 once you managed to get there! For anyone above complaining the 1.3 Kent Capri was slow, then they'd never experienced one of those 2.1D Granadas!
Only big exec motor that seemed as slow were those Merc W123s of the same era with the 3litre diesel - I think a 1.3 Capri would have roasted either of those pair off the lights.
I finished the meeting early which was a result with 3 hours to get home and was still late arriving with no traffic issues
I was a white one too with bugger all "extras" so wasn't exactly a wonderful place to be for extended periods.
s m said:
JBT said:
Re: the XR4i, am I misremembering or could you also by a 2.0 4-pot version as well as the 2.8 V6? Or was that the XR4x4.
The rwd 2 litre 4-cylinder version (5 door) came long after the 2.8 V6 .....but yes, you are right.I think the 4-pots were on H/J plates
Sometimes see the odd one over here
s m said:
JBT said:
Re: the XR4i, am I misremembering or could you also by a 2.0 4-pot version as well as the 2.8 V6? Or was that the XR4x4.
The rwd 2 litre 4-cylinder version (5 door) came long after the 2.8 V6 .....but yes, you are right.I think the 4-pots were on H/J plates
Wooda80 said:
s m said:
JBT said:
Re: the XR4i, am I misremembering or could you also by a 2.0 4-pot version as well as the 2.8 V6? Or was that the XR4x4.
The rwd 2 litre 4-cylinder version (5 door) came long after the 2.8 V6 .....but yes, you are right.I think the 4-pots were on H/J plates
You could get the rwd 2.8i V6 as the 4-pillar shell 3-door hatch on Y, A, B and C plates.
The 2 litre rwd XR4i was around on H and J plates as a 5-door hatch ( maybe there were a few K-registtered ).
In Europe, as per the car pictured a few posts above, you could get the 2 litre rwd 4-pot XR4i in both 3 and 5-door format. We never got the 3-door 2 litre XR4i over in UK officially ( although some imports are around, as are also the XR8 ( South African 5 door hatch homiologation special with 5 litre V8 and XR4i-alike bi-plane rear spoiler ) and XR4Ti ( looks like rwd V6 3-door XR4i except with 2.3 Lima Turbo engine ) models ).
If you add 4wd into the mix then that opens up another whole level of models/variants!
Zonergem said:
That is exactly why this one is special and that one is not.Niceness! Ford Sierra does ring a bell. After the fall of the Soviet Union, in the 90s Sierras were one of the western cars people started importing from Germany into the Baltics. Nowadays they're still popular, mainly due to their a) cheap price and b) RWD nature. This makes them ideal winter drifters on snowy country roads or frozen lakes-bays. I believe many of them also came with an LSD from factory?
PS There's an interesting one Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/vazz_corp/
Same: http://madetoscrape.com/post/168124237443/a-homema...
PS There's an interesting one Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/vazz_corp/
Same: http://madetoscrape.com/post/168124237443/a-homema...
Edited by chillbill on Thursday 1st February 09:47
I live in New Zealand and they say we are a little behind the times. Well look what I just found for sale on Trade Me, our eBay!
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/ford/au...
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/ford/au...
Positively luxurious compared to the OP, but here's a bit of a time warp:
https://mathewsons.co.uk/vehicle-auction-catalogue...
https://mathewsons.co.uk/vehicle-auction-catalogue...
soxboy said:
Positively luxurious compared to the OP, but here's a bit of a time warp:
https://mathewsons.co.uk/vehicle-auction-catalogue...
Nice find. I’m not a fan of the colour, but a friend of mine very much is. I’ll send it to him, but I don’t see it fetching £4K. One rocketed to over £6k at Kings Lynn last week, but a large amount of that would have been the valuable plate left on the car.https://mathewsons.co.uk/vehicle-auction-catalogue...
There was a time in 2016 that I owned both the base and a decadent L Model. It was better in every way to the base, and cost me £520 with a full MOT. Logically, I should have kept the green one and binned the base - but the rarity value meant the green one stayed only briefly.
https://flic.kr/p/Hdwsvf
Fortunately, it’s still plodding around and was spotted in Kent just last month.
olly22n said:
Wooda80 said:
s m said:
JBT said:
Re: the XR4i, am I misremembering or could you also by a 2.0 4-pot version as well as the 2.8 V6? Or was that the XR4x4.
The rwd 2 litre 4-cylinder version (5 door) came long after the 2.8 V6 .....but yes, you are right.I think the 4-pots were on H/J plates
Then around E plate it got the 2.9i V6, but no more power.
The 2 litre XR4x4 only came along on G or H plate when the DOHC engine replaced the Pinto, but with only 125 bhp (or 120bhp on the K plate run-outs with a Cat) why would you need 4WD?
There was also a 2.0i GLS 4x4 (and a 2.9i GLS 4x4), it just had a lower trim level than the 2.0i XR 4x4 IIRC - and one may have been only available as a Sapphire IIRC.
Bewildering array of alternatives back then - I suppose they just wanted to shift as many as they could!
Mr Tidy said:
olly22n said:
Wooda80 said:
s m said:
JBT said:
Re: the XR4i, am I misremembering or could you also by a 2.0 4-pot version as well as the 2.8 V6? Or was that the XR4x4.
The rwd 2 litre 4-cylinder version (5 door) came long after the 2.8 V6 .....but yes, you are right.I think the 4-pots were on H/J plates
Then around E plate it got the 2.9i V6, but no more power.
The 2 litre XR4x4 only came along on G or H plate when the DOHC engine replaced the Pinto, but with only 125 bhp (or 120bhp on the K plate run-outs with a Cat) why would you need 4WD?
There was also a 2.0i GLS 4x4 (and a 2.9i GLS 4x4), it just had a lower trim level than the 2.0i XR 4x4 IIRC - and one may have been only available as a Sapphire IIRC.
Bewildering array of alternatives back then - I suppose they just wanted to shift as many as they could!
The 4wd Sierras came out a few weeks before the new C plate.
The 2.9 XR4x4s didn't come out till F plate as they were a while after the plate change from E->F.
As for the Sapphire, you could get the 2.0 EFi in Ghia trim with 4x4, but no Sapphire XR4x4 - you could get the 5-door shell with 4wd in XR4x4 format with a 2.0 EFi or 2.8/2.9 V6 as motive power as well as lesser trims
s m said:
The very first XR4x4s were on a B plate ( there were some left over rwd XR4is that didn't get registered until C plate - they were a slow seller in their last year when people discovered the Xr4x4 was on the way )
The 4wd Sierras came out a few weeks before the new C plate.
The 2.9 XR4x4s didn't come out till F plate as they were a while after the plate change from E->F.
As for the Sapphire, you could get the 2.0 EFi in Ghia trim with 4x4, but no Sapphire XR4x4 - you could get the 5-door shell with 4wd in XR4x4 format with a 2.0 EFi or 2.8/2.9 V6 as motive power as well as lesser trims
Always made me laugh that they had to double stack the badging or it took the whole of the bootlid up on one sideThe 4wd Sierras came out a few weeks before the new C plate.
The 2.9 XR4x4s didn't come out till F plate as they were a while after the plate change from E->F.
As for the Sapphire, you could get the 2.0 EFi in Ghia trim with 4x4, but no Sapphire XR4x4 - you could get the 5-door shell with 4wd in XR4x4 format with a 2.0 EFi or 2.8/2.9 V6 as motive power as well as lesser trims
B'stard Child said:
s m said:
The very first XR4x4s were on a B plate ( there were some left over rwd XR4is that didn't get registered until C plate - they were a slow seller in their last year when people discovered the Xr4x4 was on the way )
The 4wd Sierras came out a few weeks before the new C plate.
The 2.9 XR4x4s didn't come out till F plate as they were a while after the plate change from E->F.
As for the Sapphire, you could get the 2.0 EFi in Ghia trim with 4x4, but no Sapphire XR4x4 - you could get the 5-door shell with 4wd in XR4x4 format with a 2.0 EFi or 2.8/2.9 V6 as motive power as well as lesser trims
Always made me laugh that they had to double stack the badging or it took the whole of the bootlid up on one sideThe 4wd Sierras came out a few weeks before the new C plate.
The 2.9 XR4x4s didn't come out till F plate as they were a while after the plate change from E->F.
As for the Sapphire, you could get the 2.0 EFi in Ghia trim with 4x4, but no Sapphire XR4x4 - you could get the 5-door shell with 4wd in XR4x4 format with a 2.0 EFi or 2.8/2.9 V6 as motive power as well as lesser trims
You've prompted me to browse for these on eBay now haha! I've stumbled across a minty fresh stablemate -
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
CornedBeef said:
You've prompted me to browse for these on eBay now haha! I've stumbled across a minty fresh stablemate -
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
Look a the different a couple of years madehttps://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
Colour coded nose, 2 proper mirrors AND a rear wash / wipe
Still no clock or radio though - amazing that in 30 odd years nobody thought to fit one !
And do my eyes deceive, or is the dash uncracked? Has it been parked underground !
Edited by littlebasher on Sunday 4th February 11:01
s m said:
B'stard Child said:
s m said:
The very first XR4x4s were on a B plate ( there were some left over rwd XR4is that didn't get registered until C plate - they were a slow seller in their last year when people discovered the Xr4x4 was on the way )
The 4wd Sierras came out a few weeks before the new C plate.
The 2.9 XR4x4s didn't come out till F plate as they were a while after the plate change from E->F.
As for the Sapphire, you could get the 2.0 EFi in Ghia trim with 4x4, but no Sapphire XR4x4 - you could get the 5-door shell with 4wd in XR4x4 format with a 2.0 EFi or 2.8/2.9 V6 as motive power as well as lesser trims
Always made me laugh that they had to double stack the badging or it took the whole of the bootlid up on one sideThe 4wd Sierras came out a few weeks before the new C plate.
The 2.9 XR4x4s didn't come out till F plate as they were a while after the plate change from E->F.
As for the Sapphire, you could get the 2.0 EFi in Ghia trim with 4x4, but no Sapphire XR4x4 - you could get the 5-door shell with 4wd in XR4x4 format with a 2.0 EFi or 2.8/2.9 V6 as motive power as well as lesser trims
By comparison, the Ford looks like they were at least making an effort not to overdo it.
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