Henry_b's Range Rover P38 Vogue Project'ish
Discussion
D4MJT said:
What I like Henry, is all of this.
I love a P38 as you know and you're putting some proper work into keeping this one right and improving it. Love the updates, you've got me browsing eBay now. Winter's coming after all....
Cheers Matt.. I love a P38 as you know and you're putting some proper work into keeping this one right and improving it. Love the updates, you've got me browsing eBay now. Winter's coming after all....
Having read your thread, I see you know your way around them, and with winter coming it would be worth getting one.
I'd go for it!
Mine has been quite reliable considering I bought it as a wreck! lol
More to come!
A small parcel arrived today which contained a new set of wheel centres...
They were replaced with cheap knock offs when the PO had it...
They have since turned yellow which isn't brilliant..
New'uns!
Fitted!
Quite happy..
And as they say it's the little things!!
The next instalment is bitter/sweet having a P38 generally is! I had to take a trip up to Swansea for work purposes, on the way back I went through a detour of Pembroke/Camrose I pulled up to enjoy a break at the seaside lol
Of course I had my camera with me!
Being as I said it was bitter sweet lol
On the way home I noted the compressor was making a nice rattle noise, the 100mi trek home was made however upon pulling into my drive the compressor was terminal...
So I pulled the compressor out and took it apart..
It is now in a box!
Turns out my 4month old compressor disintegrated the piston seal was installed incorrectly and chewed itself up, unfortunately it is a byproduct of chinesium!
Ahh!!! lol
Oh and she decided at that time to flatten her battery...
So a new Hankook battery was fitted..
This ought to keep her energised!
the old battery was a Numax which was 110amp 1000cca but it was a good few years old!
They were replaced with cheap knock offs when the PO had it...
They have since turned yellow which isn't brilliant..
New'uns!
Fitted!
Quite happy..
And as they say it's the little things!!
The next instalment is bitter/sweet having a P38 generally is! I had to take a trip up to Swansea for work purposes, on the way back I went through a detour of Pembroke/Camrose I pulled up to enjoy a break at the seaside lol
Of course I had my camera with me!
Being as I said it was bitter sweet lol
On the way home I noted the compressor was making a nice rattle noise, the 100mi trek home was made however upon pulling into my drive the compressor was terminal...
So I pulled the compressor out and took it apart..
It is now in a box!
Turns out my 4month old compressor disintegrated the piston seal was installed incorrectly and chewed itself up, unfortunately it is a byproduct of chinesium!
Ahh!!! lol
Oh and she decided at that time to flatten her battery...
So a new Hankook battery was fitted..
This ought to keep her energised!
the old battery was a Numax which was 110amp 1000cca but it was a good few years old!
Edited by Henry_b on Saturday 12th September 22:01
Thought so, it's a gorgeous beach IMO. The olds have had numerous statics over 30 odd years at Broad Haven, a few miles from there, so know it well. That aside the Range is looking good!
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 13th September 14:06
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 13th September 14:06
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
Thought so, it's a gorgeous beach IMO. The olds have had numerous statics over 30 odd years at Broad Haven, a few miles from there, so know it well. That aside the Range is looking good!
It sure is! Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 13th September 14:06
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 13th September 14:06
Loved my time there, must of stayed until sundown!
Some tidying up of my nice stainless exhaust is in order due to it being a little mank...
The befores show the tarnishing and dirt. lol
A quick scrub up with some old MER polish I had lying around has heeded some good results
And finally my favourite shots
I can say without a shadow of doubt, that the singe exit pipes are my favourite for the P38, the Quad pipes look to garish to me and the stock mufflers look to tame!
The Janspeed system looks quite good in my opinion!
And finally the reason I've polished the pipes themselves!!
They are visible from underneath if you look in the right place, and they do look good when shiny!
H
The befores show the tarnishing and dirt. lol
A quick scrub up with some old MER polish I had lying around has heeded some good results
And finally my favourite shots
I can say without a shadow of doubt, that the singe exit pipes are my favourite for the P38, the Quad pipes look to garish to me and the stock mufflers look to tame!
The Janspeed system looks quite good in my opinion!
And finally the reason I've polished the pipes themselves!!
They are visible from underneath if you look in the right place, and they do look good when shiny!
H
Edited by Henry_b on Sunday 13th September 20:01
Edited by Henry_b on Sunday 13th September 20:04
Right!
Over the past few weeks I've been hassling Rimmer Bros for my parts, in the meantime I've been overhauling the EAS system so when the new compressor is fitted, the system is fresh..
The first port of call was the desiccant in the air drier which can/will turn to dust and fill the Valveblock with white powder, which in the grand scheme of things will cause it to fall ass over tit!
New beads is cheap!
Next up was the overhaul of the valveblock itself, this is to be considered a 5yr service part and mine hasn't been touched in atleast 11yrs
Removal of the block is rather simple..
2 pozi screws and 4 bolts sees the entire EAS box and valveblock out, removing the pipes is easy too, pusing the collets in and the pipes flew out!
The hole left behind!
The unit out the box!
First port of call was to label the valve solenoid caps and valvebody to ensure they go back in the right place!
The drive pack was next, this was held on with 4 allen fasteners.
The solenoid caps then come off, making sure they were placed in accordance to where they came off!
The solenoids themselves were next, at this point a tinge of "I know why it's s
t" came over me when I was wiping away the black and white dust!
Alcohol wipe worked wonders!
Brass collets out next - underneath them were 2 rubber O rings, rather easy to pull out and refit new!
one this was done the I accidentally dropped half of them, so 30mins of my life i'll never get back was spent crawling around looking for them!
I did get them!
Diaphragm next!
A well known issue and one mine was suffering with was the old bus didn't like rising from access mode, this is down to a leak from the storage side of the EAS system. a common point is the diaphragm!
Off with the block and the issue was apparent!
Quite clearly destroyed, and flat on one side, plus the rubber was crumbling in my hand, not ideal!
cap back on!
Next up, it was flipped on its arse and the NRV seals replaced..
Off with its cover!
Cute aren't they!
Without them the EAS wouldn't work! New seals on the end and on the block....
Cap back on!
Hmm thats a lot of bits!
The solenoids next with new O rings!
The caps back on with new seals!
And finally after a rub over, and the drive pack re-attached we have a rebuilt valveblock!
I followed the guide from PaulP38.com and it came out well..
Only have to wait for the postman to deliver my new compressor and we'll be golden!
Over the past few weeks I've been hassling Rimmer Bros for my parts, in the meantime I've been overhauling the EAS system so when the new compressor is fitted, the system is fresh..
The first port of call was the desiccant in the air drier which can/will turn to dust and fill the Valveblock with white powder, which in the grand scheme of things will cause it to fall ass over tit!
New beads is cheap!
Next up was the overhaul of the valveblock itself, this is to be considered a 5yr service part and mine hasn't been touched in atleast 11yrs
Removal of the block is rather simple..
2 pozi screws and 4 bolts sees the entire EAS box and valveblock out, removing the pipes is easy too, pusing the collets in and the pipes flew out!
The hole left behind!
The unit out the box!
First port of call was to label the valve solenoid caps and valvebody to ensure they go back in the right place!
The drive pack was next, this was held on with 4 allen fasteners.
The solenoid caps then come off, making sure they were placed in accordance to where they came off!
The solenoids themselves were next, at this point a tinge of "I know why it's s
t" came over me when I was wiping away the black and white dust!Alcohol wipe worked wonders!
Brass collets out next - underneath them were 2 rubber O rings, rather easy to pull out and refit new!
one this was done the I accidentally dropped half of them, so 30mins of my life i'll never get back was spent crawling around looking for them!
I did get them!
Diaphragm next!
A well known issue and one mine was suffering with was the old bus didn't like rising from access mode, this is down to a leak from the storage side of the EAS system. a common point is the diaphragm!
Off with the block and the issue was apparent!
Quite clearly destroyed, and flat on one side, plus the rubber was crumbling in my hand, not ideal!
cap back on!
Next up, it was flipped on its arse and the NRV seals replaced..
Off with its cover!
Cute aren't they!
Without them the EAS wouldn't work! New seals on the end and on the block....
Cap back on!
Hmm thats a lot of bits!
The solenoids next with new O rings!
The caps back on with new seals!
And finally after a rub over, and the drive pack re-attached we have a rebuilt valveblock!
I followed the guide from PaulP38.com and it came out well..
Only have to wait for the postman to deliver my new compressor and we'll be golden!
with Rimmers pissing around with my return I bought a recon OEM unit from Mercia Air limited..
Fitted it along with the valveblock and she rose up without fuss!
The area where the box goes got a wipe down, the pipes were given a quick wipe with some lube too!
Box in..
Annnnd back out again since I remember you have to fit the compressor and block first DOH!
The box and pipes are labelled which is nice!
Verdict is good The pump doesn't run that often either which is nice!
couldn't resist taking a pic with her inflated again!
Outside work, it stayed in standard height all day which means there are no leaks!
Once home she was put in access, which will test her air tightness next time she is driven
Fitted it along with the valveblock and she rose up without fuss!
The area where the box goes got a wipe down, the pipes were given a quick wipe with some lube too!
Box in..
Annnnd back out again since I remember you have to fit the compressor and block first DOH!
The box and pipes are labelled which is nice!
Verdict is good The pump doesn't run that often either which is nice!
couldn't resist taking a pic with her inflated again!
Outside work, it stayed in standard height all day which means there are no leaks!
Once home she was put in access, which will test her air tightness next time she is driven
Edited by Henry_b on Sunday 27th September 15:28
Edited by Henry_b on Sunday 27th September 15:29
Right where to start!
As of recently I had a few mishaps with the EAS, it was showing a spurious "valve stuck fault" being the quick thinker I am I instantly thought "oh it must be the driver pack"
This thing..
Out with the old and in with the new etc etc it didn't fix it.........
A tad bemused I started looking at height sensors, and how they can wear In basic terms it is a it's a potentiometer used as a potential divider..
So testing it is quite easy..
Removal was a faff though due to the bolts being well stuck bruv... etc
It didn't look very clever and my suspect was already sussed in my mind, however it does pay to check these things.
I borrowed my Industrial nipple clamps and got to work pulling the sensor apart to check the track inside.
to be fair taking the lid off and checking the innards is a bit OTT however, underneath that plastic cap is a nice juicy O ring "fnarr" the issue "which is quite common" is it can fail and let water inside which fooks up the internals.
2nd reason, back when i were a wee lad I had to sit at the back of the bus due to being thought as retarded, the real issue was tremors, you'll note the nice pins on the inside which are much easier to get to with a multi meter when your hands are shaking around like a drunk
not ideal..
the 3 pins in total, the two pins at either end is the track, and it showed an OK'ish resistance
Next up putting my meter Between one of the end pins and the middle, at one end of the travel, I should off been seeing a low figure ( around 200 Ohms), progressively rising as you move through the travel up to close to the 2 kOhms.
You'll either need an assistant or a 3rd hand for this bit in particular!
while slowly moveing the arm from one end of the track to the other, I should off seen a steady "increase" of the resistance as you move, No jumps or spikes
The fault "in my case" was it going open circuit at certain points on the track which caused a repetitive fault!
The sensor itself lives on the chassis and used the radius arm as a point of reference for the height...
Looking around all the sources on the internet the price of a new one ranges from £18 to £180 I did manage to find one on Amazon of all places for £28 delivered..
Upon fitment I fired her up and all the faults had disappeared!!!
He he!
result!!
As of recently I had a few mishaps with the EAS, it was showing a spurious "valve stuck fault" being the quick thinker I am I instantly thought "oh it must be the driver pack"
This thing..
Out with the old and in with the new etc etc it didn't fix it.........
A tad bemused I started looking at height sensors, and how they can wear In basic terms it is a it's a potentiometer used as a potential divider..
So testing it is quite easy..
Removal was a faff though due to the bolts being well stuck bruv... etc
It didn't look very clever and my suspect was already sussed in my mind, however it does pay to check these things.
I borrowed my Industrial nipple clamps and got to work pulling the sensor apart to check the track inside.
to be fair taking the lid off and checking the innards is a bit OTT however, underneath that plastic cap is a nice juicy O ring "fnarr" the issue "which is quite common" is it can fail and let water inside which fooks up the internals.
2nd reason, back when i were a wee lad I had to sit at the back of the bus due to being thought as retarded, the real issue was tremors, you'll note the nice pins on the inside which are much easier to get to with a multi meter when your hands are shaking around like a drunk
not ideal..
the 3 pins in total, the two pins at either end is the track, and it showed an OK'ish resistance
Next up putting my meter Between one of the end pins and the middle, at one end of the travel, I should off been seeing a low figure ( around 200 Ohms), progressively rising as you move through the travel up to close to the 2 kOhms.
You'll either need an assistant or a 3rd hand for this bit in particular!
while slowly moveing the arm from one end of the track to the other, I should off seen a steady "increase" of the resistance as you move, No jumps or spikes
The fault "in my case" was it going open circuit at certain points on the track which caused a repetitive fault!
The sensor itself lives on the chassis and used the radius arm as a point of reference for the height...
Looking around all the sources on the internet the price of a new one ranges from £18 to £180 I did manage to find one on Amazon of all places for £28 delivered..
Upon fitment I fired her up and all the faults had disappeared!!!
He he!
result!!
More EAS shenanigans..
Earlier on in the thread I noted the piston seal on a brand new Compressor disintegrating...
Rimmer bros sent me a replacement after faffing around with my old one, for around 3weeks!!!
The new one was another "dunlop" unit.................
Which lasted a week!!!
A word of warning chaps don't buy a "new" Dunlop pump they're chinese TAT! the original P38 Pumps are a variation of the Thomas 315 compressor from the US!
These are not built to OE standards so if you have a P38, rebuild your old pump, so long as it doesn't look like this.
All Dunlops have a silver housing, and all are crap..
That was a £200 mistake!!
As a final jest I bought a rebuilt unit from Mercia Air Limited "recommended"!
And it works "finally without fault!"
here she is outside my sisters house annoying the neighbours!! "filthy"
A quick clean once home!
Then went out to get it filthy again 130mi each way, never missed a beat...
Back home and it's dirty again.
EAS all works, and even Access mode for the first time in a good while it rises up quick and lowers how it should..
unlike before!!!
And a parting shot!
My Bank balance looks like a string of Cheerio's but it's worth it!! lol
Earlier on in the thread I noted the piston seal on a brand new Compressor disintegrating...
Rimmer bros sent me a replacement after faffing around with my old one, for around 3weeks!!!
The new one was another "dunlop" unit.................
Which lasted a week!!!
A word of warning chaps don't buy a "new" Dunlop pump they're chinese TAT! the original P38 Pumps are a variation of the Thomas 315 compressor from the US!
These are not built to OE standards so if you have a P38, rebuild your old pump, so long as it doesn't look like this.
All Dunlops have a silver housing, and all are crap..
That was a £200 mistake!!
As a final jest I bought a rebuilt unit from Mercia Air Limited "recommended"!
And it works "finally without fault!"
here she is outside my sisters house annoying the neighbours!! "filthy"
A quick clean once home!
Then went out to get it filthy again 130mi each way, never missed a beat...
Back home and it's dirty again.
EAS all works, and even Access mode for the first time in a good while it rises up quick and lowers how it should..
unlike before!!!
And a parting shot!
My Bank balance looks like a string of Cheerio's but it's worth it!! lol
Hmm a nice "Rattle" has been the sound that has greeted me everytime i've started this old bus from cold.
I'm aware the Followers and maybe the rockers are past their best, however I needed to do something to help ease the noise..
The Yanks swear by this stuff, which by all accounts is very sticky what seems to be EP oil
Can't do any harm I suppose!
The bottle itself has a pathetic little spout which would take a week to drain out the entire bottle, so the lid was promptly taken off, thanks to the P38 having an inbuilt funnel I popped it in....
It is seriously sticky and thick....
Oil level before.
And after
After a week of hard driving and around 1000mi the engine seems slightly quieter, the reason I stumped for this stuff was the fact it was £13 which is £4 cheaper than a litre of 10w60 and the Lucas claims to do all sorts and with my V8 being a Hybrid that burns both Oil and Gas I need all the help I can get...
According to the sticker on the pack it makes More power - better consumption - plugs oil leaks - ups compression - cures failed marriages - etc etc it does it all...
A few jaunts from work saw me going all over, a nice desolate area for a nice photoshoot of my filthy old bus...
As you can see she is all kinds of filty which was later rectified..
check out this RR with dirt on it!!!
A quick snow foam off removed much of the loose dirt, a wipe down with some Autoglym foamy shampoo and a wipe off with some quick detailer saw the exterior come to life..
Autoglym Magma on the wheels.
Nice and clean!
I did also reward her with a tank of V power which is a way to piss money up the wall in style, hopefully I get 360mi out of this 22gal tank. also threw in some injector cleaner for good measure!!
I'm sure something will fly off soon, but for now she is behaving!!
I'm aware the Followers and maybe the rockers are past their best, however I needed to do something to help ease the noise..
The Yanks swear by this stuff, which by all accounts is very sticky what seems to be EP oil
Can't do any harm I suppose!
The bottle itself has a pathetic little spout which would take a week to drain out the entire bottle, so the lid was promptly taken off, thanks to the P38 having an inbuilt funnel I popped it in....
It is seriously sticky and thick....
Oil level before.
And after
After a week of hard driving and around 1000mi the engine seems slightly quieter, the reason I stumped for this stuff was the fact it was £13 which is £4 cheaper than a litre of 10w60 and the Lucas claims to do all sorts and with my V8 being a Hybrid that burns both Oil and Gas I need all the help I can get...
According to the sticker on the pack it makes More power - better consumption - plugs oil leaks - ups compression - cures failed marriages - etc etc it does it all...
A few jaunts from work saw me going all over, a nice desolate area for a nice photoshoot of my filthy old bus...
As you can see she is all kinds of filty which was later rectified..
check out this RR with dirt on it!!!
A quick snow foam off removed much of the loose dirt, a wipe down with some Autoglym foamy shampoo and a wipe off with some quick detailer saw the exterior come to life..
Autoglym Magma on the wheels.
Nice and clean!
I did also reward her with a tank of V power which is a way to piss money up the wall in style, hopefully I get 360mi out of this 22gal tank. also threw in some injector cleaner for good measure!!
I'm sure something will fly off soon, but for now she is behaving!!
Edited by Henry_b on Tuesday 8th December 19:20
Just recently "19th" it was my barfday and being that around a week before my front plate flew off and landed in a hedgerow on the A49 I was in need of some new plates...
My Dear old Dad decided to surprise me on my birthday with a set of these......
She does tend to leave little black splodges where she parks so it makes sense!
And here they are fitted.
The front one is in the middle of being stuck on hence the mounting stickers!
makes her unique!
I'll have to grab another one of the front one when it is done properly!
A damn sight better than the fading old affair!
My Dear old Dad decided to surprise me on my birthday with a set of these......
She does tend to leave little black splodges where she parks so it makes sense!
And here they are fitted.
The front one is in the middle of being stuck on hence the mounting stickers!
makes her unique!
I'll have to grab another one of the front one when it is done properly!
A damn sight better than the fading old affair!
Edited by Henry_b on Tuesday 22 December 20:02
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