Audi S5 full fat version
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89forever said:
well as it's part of the VAG family I may as well post in my thread...
something a little bit different for the weekend???
under the skin it's basically a 6.0 W12 VW Phaeton, which makes getting parts cheaper than adding the Bentley tax
late 2003, with only 67,500 miles..... not been used in 3 years, more lights on the dash than Oxford Street at Christmas, tyres in good condition as at least it's been rolled back and forth and had a battery conditioner on it....
Interior was mouldy and had more penicillin than Boots the Chemist....
Main faults are it needs 2 new Bosch MAF's, hopefully that's cure the EGT and Lambda faults.... all lights turned off enough to get her MOT'd this morning and taxed so can at least drive the poor thing.
then this afternoon is deep cleanse time, more cobwebs than an Indiana Jones stage set.....!!!
Hold onsomething a little bit different for the weekend???
under the skin it's basically a 6.0 W12 VW Phaeton, which makes getting parts cheaper than adding the Bentley tax
late 2003, with only 67,500 miles..... not been used in 3 years, more lights on the dash than Oxford Street at Christmas, tyres in good condition as at least it's been rolled back and forth and had a battery conditioner on it....
Interior was mouldy and had more penicillin than Boots the Chemist....
Main faults are it needs 2 new Bosch MAF's, hopefully that's cure the EGT and Lambda faults.... all lights turned off enough to get her MOT'd this morning and taxed so can at least drive the poor thing.
then this afternoon is deep cleanse time, more cobwebs than an Indiana Jones stage set.....!!!
Hold on
You can't just slip in the, "I bought a W12 Bentley....", then revert to climate control buttons
Is there another thread?
I'd like to know more about the mouldy, cobweb filled W12, please
Well to compare the two...
Power wise the Bentley definitely has it, at 590 ish bhp against the S5's 355bhp, different league. However the Bentley is very much the heavier beast and you can tell....
Whilst they share very similar underpinning (the Bentley is a VW W12 Phaeton, so has quattro too) the S5 has it beat on handling and driver involvement.
Whether it's because of the weight, or the huge tyres, the Bentley lacks steering feedback.... But it is wonderful to drive though.
They do both share the same ridiculous eye watering fuel consumption though haha
Power wise the Bentley definitely has it, at 590 ish bhp against the S5's 355bhp, different league. However the Bentley is very much the heavier beast and you can tell....
Whilst they share very similar underpinning (the Bentley is a VW W12 Phaeton, so has quattro too) the S5 has it beat on handling and driver involvement.
Whether it's because of the weight, or the huge tyres, the Bentley lacks steering feedback.... But it is wonderful to drive though.
They do both share the same ridiculous eye watering fuel consumption though haha
so the LED's from the newer board didn't work as the polarity was wrong, so order the correct polarity LED's
so, the new white LED's arrived, so today I set too.... I disassembled and soldered one on to test it illuminated white, it did.... perfectly, so set about desoldering the remaining ones and disaster struck, one of the PCB boards pads which the pins solder too came off (it was the pad which I had experimented with last weekend repeatedly taking off/putting on of the LED and it finally gave way...
So, I need a new board, one is on order... so if I have the same part number but another board...…
getting there slowly.....
so, the new white LED's arrived, so today I set too.... I disassembled and soldered one on to test it illuminated white, it did.... perfectly, so set about desoldering the remaining ones and disaster struck, one of the PCB boards pads which the pins solder too came off (it was the pad which I had experimented with last weekend repeatedly taking off/putting on of the LED and it finally gave way...
So, I need a new board, one is on order... so if I have the same part number but another board...…
getting there slowly.....
Edited by 89forever on Monday 20th April 14:47
Edited by 89forever on Monday 20th April 14:47
After many failed attempts to get the LED's to work, I bought yet another FL climate panel, this time the spec I needed (seat heating etc.)
Trawling the net to see how to remove component protection I stumbled upon a name, Jack Kirby. So I started googling...
I found his skype address and started chatting, he advised on what software and tools were need (VAS5054a) and he needed remote access of my pc to do the CP removal....
A picture paints a thousand words....
a few coding tweaks so the fan speed worked as it should and all is done....
I am messaging Rosstech to see if they can assist with the codings to get the display and modules all communicating back to as it should.....
Certainly wasn't a cheap exercise to get the white on black but at least it is possible to fit a FL climate panel to a preFL car and have it function correctly.
Trawling the net to see how to remove component protection I stumbled upon a name, Jack Kirby. So I started googling...
I found his skype address and started chatting, he advised on what software and tools were need (VAS5054a) and he needed remote access of my pc to do the CP removal....
A picture paints a thousand words....
a few coding tweaks so the fan speed worked as it should and all is done....
I am messaging Rosstech to see if they can assist with the codings to get the display and modules all communicating back to as it should.....
Certainly wasn't a cheap exercise to get the white on black but at least it is possible to fit a FL climate panel to a preFL car and have it function correctly.
Edited by 89forever on Monday 20th April 14:48
some may remember earlier in the thread I am slowly designing and making my own exhaust.
So, I love to try new things and I wanted to try laser cutting the bird beak cuts for the X-pipe, the cuts are very similar as if you were making an exhaust collector, the old school way is to cut them on a vertical bandsaw and then linish the edges until all the pieces match.
As this way (this is the collector I made for my motorbike as an example of the old school way)
2 cuts to produce the joints, very laborious and time consuming
the angles of cut are critical depending the amount of ports
4 tubes, lots of cuts and linishing to get the finished results
Now with the X-pipe it is the same principle but all cuts are on a flat plane as it isn't a merge collector as above but 2 in/2 out arrangement.
So I drew it all up in CAD
which allowed me to create a digital file the laser cutting machine could read.
4 number bird beak cuts, in 1 hit with no linishing required and I've got perfect joints. Before I weld it all together I need to mandrel bend these pieces 45 degrees
This is the joint
The exhaust is moving ever forward.....
So, I love to try new things and I wanted to try laser cutting the bird beak cuts for the X-pipe, the cuts are very similar as if you were making an exhaust collector, the old school way is to cut them on a vertical bandsaw and then linish the edges until all the pieces match.
As this way (this is the collector I made for my motorbike as an example of the old school way)
2 cuts to produce the joints, very laborious and time consuming
the angles of cut are critical depending the amount of ports
4 tubes, lots of cuts and linishing to get the finished results
Now with the X-pipe it is the same principle but all cuts are on a flat plane as it isn't a merge collector as above but 2 in/2 out arrangement.
So I drew it all up in CAD
which allowed me to create a digital file the laser cutting machine could read.
4 number bird beak cuts, in 1 hit with no linishing required and I've got perfect joints. Before I weld it all together I need to mandrel bend these pieces 45 degrees
This is the joint
The exhaust is moving ever forward.....
89forever said:
shalmaneser said:
Does this S5 have the V8 with the dodgy chain tensioner? Was vaguely looking at these but horror stories held me back!
don't believe the hype..... the internet only hears the horror storiesMy understanding is that the engine in this car is direct injection. I may be completely wrong...
Tommie38 said:
Genuinely interested in the answer to this. Ignoring for a moment the issue of hype, are the direct injection engines more resilient than the earlier ones? I know that the earlier S4 had the issue with chains. I understand that these can have issues with coking that results on them being down power but that is far better than a catastrophic failure.
My understanding is that the engine in this car is direct injection. I may be completely wrong...
do your homework, I can only speak from my experiences.....My understanding is that the engine in this car is direct injection. I may be completely wrong...
I've looked out for and followed your thread since it started, and having always had a bit of a soft spot for the manual S5 I bought one in September 2018. It's primarily driven by my other half daily and I drive it weekends. It's a 2008 on 61k miles, paid 11,500 for it, sadly the black paint is as swirly as it can be possible to be but I do hope to get around to sorting that out.
I hoped I could ask a couple of questions based on the couple of owners experience from here: the previous owner kept it mechanically maintained well including a new clutch on 43k miles in 2016 done by a "german marque" indy specialist. My question though is about the driving/shifting experience - mine feels almost laboured. The actual biting point feels quite close to the floor, in reverse I notice you can start to let the clutch out and it will move quite happily without any throttle/similarly will creep forward in 1st. Combined with the offset pedals I'm finding the usual pleasure from manually shifting gears to be a bit of a pain, as the foot rest blocks fully engaging the clutch to the floor unless I pivot my hips slightly towards the peddle set. I almost feel like between shifts I allow an extra 0.5 - 1 second gap between engaging the clutch to shift/shifting/letting the clutch back out.
Continuing the clutch theme at high revs (when warmed up) I "almost" feel a slight feedback, or minor vibration through the clutch pedal when changing gear (again, only at high revs). I say almost because a couple of friends have driven it and not detected anything untoward on shifting at high revs. I don't use main dealers for anything usually but there is an Audi dealer near work and I put it in for a 'free health check' mentioning the clutch/performance about 3 months ago, they drove it and said they also didn't think there was any issue with it (but if I wanted more diagnostics I could pay £60. Cheers but no thanks).
I'm not sure if it's just the difference between the couple of cars I have/all in my imagination. To be clear nothing has changed in the driving experience since I bought it to now (6 months ish on) I figured early days that I didnt drive it much and I would get used to it but to be honest I'm not really enjoying the car as a result.
Just wondered if anyone else had ever anything similar?
Great thread by the way
I hoped I could ask a couple of questions based on the couple of owners experience from here: the previous owner kept it mechanically maintained well including a new clutch on 43k miles in 2016 done by a "german marque" indy specialist. My question though is about the driving/shifting experience - mine feels almost laboured. The actual biting point feels quite close to the floor, in reverse I notice you can start to let the clutch out and it will move quite happily without any throttle/similarly will creep forward in 1st. Combined with the offset pedals I'm finding the usual pleasure from manually shifting gears to be a bit of a pain, as the foot rest blocks fully engaging the clutch to the floor unless I pivot my hips slightly towards the peddle set. I almost feel like between shifts I allow an extra 0.5 - 1 second gap between engaging the clutch to shift/shifting/letting the clutch back out.
Continuing the clutch theme at high revs (when warmed up) I "almost" feel a slight feedback, or minor vibration through the clutch pedal when changing gear (again, only at high revs). I say almost because a couple of friends have driven it and not detected anything untoward on shifting at high revs. I don't use main dealers for anything usually but there is an Audi dealer near work and I put it in for a 'free health check' mentioning the clutch/performance about 3 months ago, they drove it and said they also didn't think there was any issue with it (but if I wanted more diagnostics I could pay £60. Cheers but no thanks).
I'm not sure if it's just the difference between the couple of cars I have/all in my imagination. To be clear nothing has changed in the driving experience since I bought it to now (6 months ish on) I figured early days that I didnt drive it much and I would get used to it but to be honest I'm not really enjoying the car as a result.
Just wondered if anyone else had ever anything similar?
Great thread by the way
amusingduck said:
and a great first post from you, welcome to PH 
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