The Range Racer

[Megaflow]

Nunga said:

TheDrBrian said:

How does a pump get wired backwards from the factory?

1. BuyBritish #EngishManufacturingAtItsFinest #NotSurprised

JLR won’t be build their own wiring harness. They will be buying it from a harness manufacturer, probably the same one as BMW, Audi, etc.

Probably basees in Eastern Europe or Portugal.

So nothing to do with British engineering.

I’m surprised it passed electric test at the supplier with the pump switched.

[PistonBroker]

I often have crazy ideas about particular cars being transformed into track toys - a Mk2 CRV and an S-Max spring to mind.

Great to see someone with the skills to do it and actually doing it.

Keep up the good work!

[silentbrown]

NDA said:

I haven't - but then it's never come up as having any engine problems....

Worth checking, though.
http://australiancar.reviews/_pdfs/Land-Rover_Rang...

[james_tigerwoods]

PistonBroker said:

I often have crazy ideas about particular cars being transformed into track toys - a Mk2 CRV and an S-Max spring to mind.

Great to see someone with the skills to do it and actually doing it.

Keep up the good work!

I'd love to see a track Multipla

Loving this thread BTW

[helix402]

james_tigerwoods said:

I'd love to see a track Multipla

Been done with a Coupe 20vt engine.

Loving this thread BTW

[ajprice]

james_tigerwoods said:

I'd love to see a track Multipla

Loving this thread BTW

https://www.facebook.com/FiatMultiplaGT20VT/

[WCZ]

+1 on removing the AC, has to be done!

[Munter]

WCZ said:

+1 on removing the AC, has to be done!

Don't do it.

Imagine a summers day, lot's of large glass windows. A V8 and exhaust pumping heat in through the now not insulated floor/body. You are working hard at the wheel.

This will not be a fun situation. Yes taking it out will save weight. But...I think you'll have more fun with it in.

[Greg_D]

Munter said:

WCZ said:

+1 on removing the AC, has to be done!

Don't do it.

Imagine a summers day, lot's of large glass windows. A V8 and exhaust pumping heat in through the now not insulated floor/body. You are working hard at the wheel.

This will not be a fun situation. Yes taking it out will save weight. But...I think you'll have more fun with it in.

i couldn't disagree more.
AC saps a lot of power, weighs a ton, takes up space, affects cooling by chucking an additional rad in the mix and adds what weight it does have in the nose, making the car understeer more. It probably doesn't even work very efficiently either at this car's advanced age.

if you get hot, crack a window, it is a 'race car' after all...

on a separate note, i'd relocate the battery into the boot to assist F/R weight distribution as well

[alex98uk]

This is great. Thanks for doing it so we don't have to

[Joust99]

I'm assuming this is one of the very early 322 S/C builds, as the miswired S/C charge pump wasn't discovered for a while (its fixed on later vehicles, I though for the first ones there was a service bulletin issued to be fixed in service). Good luck with it though, sounds like a great project, and one that should be rather rapid once sorted!!!!

[silentbrown]

Munter said:

Imagine a summers day, lot's of large glass windows.

Lexan, hopefully...

The glass is up comparatively high, so replacing should help CoG a bit.

[Mr-B]

Greg_D said:

i couldn't disagree more.
AC saps a lot of power, weighs a ton, takes up space, affects cooling by chucking an additional rad in the mix and adds what weight it does have in the nose, making the car understeer more. It probably doesn't even work very efficiently either at this car's advanced age.

if you get hot, crack a window, it is a 'race car' after all...

on a separate note, i'd relocate the battery into the boot to assist F/R weight distribution as well

Don't endurance type race cars have a big open tube pointed directly as the drivers face being fed air direct from outside somewhere?

[Krikkit]

Mr-B said:

Greg_D said:

i couldn't disagree more.
AC saps a lot of power, weighs a ton, takes up space, affects cooling by chucking an additional rad in the mix and adds what weight it does have in the nose, making the car understeer more. It probably doesn't even work very efficiently either at this car's advanced age.

if you get hot, crack a window, it is a 'race car' after all...

on a separate note, i'd relocate the battery into the boot to assist F/R weight distribution as well

Don't endurance type race cars have a big open tube pointed directly as the drivers face being fed air direct from outside somewhere?

Yep, sometimes the wing mirrors if they have a thick enough stem.

[14]

I’d keep the air on as you wouldn’t save that much weight, and it could be uncomfortable driving it on a summers day. I think people might be forgetting that the car will be probably be weighing around 2 tons once finished.

[MrOrange]

HVAC must go.

Venting ambient air to the driver/cab is pretty simple via piping in the side window and through the roof plus a side window “slide”. Check out what the endurance boys do to keep temps down/airflow up without resorting to power sapping very heavy HVAC rads/pipes/condensers.

The Rangey is brick shaped so I would have thought there is lots of high-pressure air available and rear venting. Heat soak into the cab from the transmission and bulkhead is maybe tricky, but only for extended sessions.

Someone mentioned damping issues (shorter stroke etc), but dumping hundreds of kilos should hopefully make that less of an issue?

Looks like a lot of fun.

[XJSJohn]

Mr-B said:

Greg_D said:

i couldn't disagree more.
AC saps a lot of power, weighs a ton, takes up space, affects cooling by chucking an additional rad in the mix and adds what weight it does have in the nose, making the car understeer more. It probably doesn't even work very efficiently either at this car's advanced age.

if you get hot, crack a window, it is a 'race car' after all...

on a separate note, i'd relocate the battery into the boot to assist F/R weight distribution as well

Don't endurance type race cars have a big open tube pointed directly as the drivers face being fed air direct from outside somewhere?

all of the Asian race series cars have to have aircon, as there is a maximum allowed temp in the cabin. something like 45c but still ....

personally i would keep the air, it is extra weight but then you are also building this for fun.

[14]

MrOrange said:

HVAC must go.

Venting ambient air to the driver/cab is pretty simple via piping in the side window and through the roof plus a side window “slide”. Check out what the endurance boys do to keep temps down/airflow up without resorting to power sapping very heavy HVAC rads/pipes/condensers.

The Rangey is brick shaped so I would have thought there is lots of high-pressure air available and rear venting. Heat soak into the cab from the transmission and bulkhead is maybe tricky, but only for extended sessions.

Someone mentioned damping issues (shorter stroke etc), but dumping hundreds of kilos should hopefully make that less of an issue?

Looks like a lot of fun.

Erm the car weighs 2.5 tons as standard and the final weight will probably be around 2 tons, you will not notice the weight of the HVAC. The car is being built for fun and I don’t think there’s any benefit of extreme weight reduction like taking the glass out, cutting the inner section of the doors, fitting lightweight wheels, fitting lightweight exhaust and removing HVAC. Personally I’d refit some sound deadening as the extra noise will mean you may not want to use it for extended use.

[MrOrange]

14 said:

Personally I’d refit some sound deadening as the extra noise will mean you may not want to use it for extended use.

Maybe add a roof tent and bike rack?

Point taken, actually. However, inventively gutting a 2.5 tonne monster cheaply is part of the charm IMHO.

[British Beef]

I would have thought this project lends itself more to a rally special, seeing one of these kicking up dirt on a welsh rally stage spitting flames would be a wonderful spectacle !!!!!