ListerBell Stratos

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456mgt

2,504 posts

267 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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renmure said:
The only consideration for me was knowing exactly what I was going to end up with. I've got no skills to bring to the table in terms of car building and have no interest in taking up a new hobby or spending years in a shed or workshop learning how to build a car. All my research indicated that the Hawk cars needed a lot more fettling and sourcing of donor parts from various places and are more old-tech rather than being a pretty much fully developed and modern stand alone product like the LB. To be fair, that's reflected in the much increased cost of the LB but it made sense for me.
Makes perfect sense, thank you! Like you I have no interest in building it or endless tinkering (though I know that's what some will want). Hmmm, starting to sound like a plan..

200Plus Club

10,773 posts

279 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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My experience of building a GD T70 (when Craig was at GD) was that there was minimal "fitting" required, most of it is just steady practical "assembly" with an eye on safety and forward planning. If you don't rush in drilling holes and clipping stuff in but think about it you'll be fine.
Having seen a couple of LB cars built the process will be the same give or take, the panels and suchlike may need minor fettling but you aren't laying up glassfibre etc and you aren't machining bits and bobs generally.

It's enjoyable as a process and becomes a regular pattern of setting aside time and needing patience. Craig was ultra helpful at all times if stuck as were other builders/owners.

One bit of advice I would give is at the bare chassis stage get some bilt hamber or equivalent chassis rust protection wax injected into any openings or tubular sections before anything gets bolted up or fixed on.

I can feel another build coming on myself Lol! Enjoy it is the main thing and that first ever drive will be tremendous once your nerves have settled.

Edited by 200Plus Club on Thursday 2nd May 16:22

shalmaneser

5,936 posts

196 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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Double Wishbone on the front but looks like MacPherson strut at the back?

Still, plenty good enough for Porsche and the quality looks excellent!

MKnight702

3,110 posts

215 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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I presume everyone has seen the Autocar review on YouTube, it's been there some years.

Slippydiff

14,851 posts

224 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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MKnight702 said:
I presume everyone has seen the Autocar review on YouTube, it's been there some years.
I linked to it earlier in this thread smile

renmure

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4,252 posts

225 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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MKnight702 said:
I presume everyone has seen the Autocar review on YouTube, it's been there some years.
If not, here's the link copied from a post above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvs5jRi4h80

My understanding is that Autocar originally intended to do a fairly general overview of a number of cars from other manufacturers and the LB STR was only to play a small static part in the affair. However, when Steve Sutcliffe drove the LB car on the day he was so smitten that the whole focus of the piece changed to be totally on that car. It certainly got a heap of good positive publicity.

Unfortunately, as I discovered when I first made general enquiries way back at the start of the process, the prices given in the article were a bit unintentionally misleading and even at that time a few years ago you would be struggling to end up with anything other than a basic spec car for anywhere near these figures.

Another gratuitous pic:



200Plus Club

10,773 posts

279 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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He definitely loves that car!

renmure

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4,252 posts

225 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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For anyone still awake:

I guess this is the heart transplant part.











Rocket.

1,517 posts

250 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Enjoying this build, great updates, do love a Stratos and that engine looks cloud9

I wonder if LB have ever toyed with doing a Lancia 037 ?

MKnight702

3,110 posts

215 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Nice looking engine, a set of 3 twin throttle bodies sticking up would top that off nicely!

HM-2

12,467 posts

170 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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MKnight702 said:
Nice looking engine, a set of 3 twin throttle bodies sticking up would top that off nicely!
https://store.jenvey.co.uk/alfa-v6-24v-ahmotorspor...
scratchchin

james_tigerwoods

16,287 posts

198 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Lovely - Absolutely amazing... However... I know you're keeping it authentic, but I'd have gone for RHD just to make it easier to drive in the UK...

One of my dream cars though - This and a Delta Integrale. And an Alfa SZ boxedin

renmure

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4,252 posts

225 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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HM-2 said:
MKnight702 said:
Nice looking engine, a set of 3 twin throttle bodies sticking up would top that off nicely!
https://store.jenvey.co.uk/alfa-v6-24v-ahmotorspor...
scratchchin
Jenvey ITBs was the original plan for my engine but the LB system has been developed to be better and more aesthetically in keeping with the original engine.

renmure

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4,252 posts

225 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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james_tigerwoods said:
Lovely - Absolutely amazing... However... I know you're keeping it authentic, but I'd have gone for RHD just to make it easier to drive in the UK...
The LB chassis is designed to accommodate both LHD and RHD at the fabrication stage so converting from one to the other isn’t really that much of an issue for someone in the future.

My thinking was to keep things as authentic looking as possible and with the likely expectation that when I come to sell it in the future that the European market will be where it will end up. Either that or if it's a UK buyer they would probably fancy the authentic LHD aspect as well.

RHD would be more sensible on the road I guess, but I'm not really meaning to be overly sensible here.


Edited by renmure on Friday 3rd May 18:42

viggyp

1,917 posts

136 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Rocket. said:
Enjoying this build, great updates, do love a Stratos and that engine looks cloud9

I wonder if LB have ever toyed with doing a Lancia 037 ?
Here is a link to a company specialising in 037 and S4 replicas

http://www.rallylegendrecreations.com/

200Plus Club

10,773 posts

279 months

Saturday 4th May 2019
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viggyp said:
Here is a link to a company specialising in 037 and S4 replicas

http://www.rallylegendrecreations.com/
Just shared that link with a friend who is currently cutting up and fixing a lancia beta coupe to make an 037 replica from!

Watchman

6,391 posts

246 months

Saturday 4th May 2019
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renmure said:
james_tigerwoods said:
Lovely - Absolutely amazing... However... I know you're keeping it authentic, but I'd have gone for RHD just to make it easier to drive in the UK...
The LB chassis is designed to accommodate both LHD and RHD at the fabrication stage so converting from one to the other isn’t really that much of an issue for someone in the future.

My thinking was to keep things as authentic looking as possible and with the likely expectation that when I come to sell it in the future that the European market will be where it will end up. Either that or if it's a UK buyer they would probably fancy the authentic LHD aspect as well.

RHD would be more sensible on the road I guess, but I'm not really meaning to be overly sensible here.


Edited by renmure on Friday 3rd May 18:42
I once toyed with the idea of replacing my Caterham and then Cerbera with a Hawk so I sat in an example of a RHD Hawk and (sometime later) a LHD original. The accelerator pedal in the RHD would soon become something I would learn to hate if I'd gone down the RHD route. The wheel arch intrusion is significant but seemed less of a problem to the clutch pedal of the LHD car.

irocfan

40,551 posts

191 months

Saturday 4th May 2019
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200Plus Club said:
Just shared that link with a friend who is currently cutting up and fixing a lancia beta coupe to make an 037 replica from!
Get him to post that on here - 037 is one of the loveliest race cars ever

200Plus Club

10,773 posts

279 months

Saturday 4th May 2019
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irocfan said:
Get him to post that on here - 037 is one of the loveliest race cars ever
I think he's literally just started repairing rusty bits and cutting unwanted stuff Off :-)

TR4man

5,233 posts

175 months

Saturday 4th May 2019
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At Donington today was this replica, not sure whether it was an LB or not.