The return of my E60 M5 - Wallet drained - now Supercharged!

[andburg]

consider get rid of yours now while the market is covid high and run something cheap and barge like? might get you into that F10 a bit faster, or hell you might even learn to like life on the chugging barge side of life

[Court_S]

How did it feel hoping back into the E60 after the M4?

[therusterman]

Did you see the Jayemm video on the F10? He's also looking at them as a daily.

https://youtu.be/UJjdJBfXyoY

[TheAngryDog]

andburg said:

consider get rid of yours now while the market is covid high and run something cheap and barge like? might get you into that F10 a bit faster, or hell you might even learn to like life on the chugging barge side of life

I like cheap barges, but I'd still like something nice for summer, and right now E60 M5's aren't selling for good money it seems.

Court_S said:

How did it feel hoping back into the E60 after the M4?

It felt old lol. I noticed the SMG jerk straight away, not the same midrange punch, but the cabin felt light and airy compared to the M4 (M4 felt a little cramped and also it was black interior, so felt dark). The V10 sound was apparent straight away and the steering felt light, but with more feedback.

therusterman said:

Did you see the Jayemm video on the F10? He's also looking at them as a daily.

https://youtu.be/UJjdJBfXyoY

I did see that indeed.

[TheAngryDog]

Car is rebooked in for oil service, brake fluid change and new VANOS solenoids next weekend. I may think about a remap as well shortly as the warranty is going to end on 19th June.

[Church of Noise]

So it's staying?

[TheAngryDog]

Church of Noise said:

So it's staying?

Until March. I would want an LCI (2013 on) F10 M5, and right now my budget doesn't go that far. A remap is inexpensive in the grand scheme of things and should help its mid range a bit. If DCT was a really viable option then i think I would be able to live with it for longer.

[Church of Noise]

TheAngryDog said:

Until March. I would want an LCI (2013 on) F10 M5, and right now my budget doesn't go that far. A remap is inexpensive in the grand scheme of things and should help its mid range a bit. If DCT was a really viable option then i think I would be able to live with it for longer.

Makes sense.

I was recently watching JayEmm's review of the F10 M5 and it kind of confirmed my fear with it: these cars have become so capable, the sensation of it all seems to have been somewhat blunted. Might be interesting to watch, although in the end your own experience is what matters.
(FYI, had the opportunity to chuck an E63 and C63 around a while ago and came to a similar conclusion as JayEmm on the F10 M5... So if anything, I would probably consider something smaller and or less well rounded...)

[SturdyHSV]

Church of Noise said:

So if anything, I would probably consider something smaller and or less well rounded...)

Something like a supercharged VXR8

100% of the power, 30% of the sophistication

[J4CKO]

Church of Noise said:

TheAngryDog said:

Until March. I would want an LCI (2013 on) F10 M5, and right now my budget doesn't go that far. A remap is inexpensive in the grand scheme of things and should help its mid range a bit. If DCT was a really viable option then i think I would be able to live with it for longer.

Makes sense.

I was recently watching JayEmm's review of the F10 M5 and it kind of confirmed my fear with it: these cars have become so capable, the sensation of it all seems to have been somewhat blunted. Might be interesting to watch, although in the end your own experience is what matters.
(FYI, had the opportunity to chuck an E63 and C63 around a while ago and came to a similar conclusion as JayEmm on the F10 M5... So if anything, I would probably consider something smaller and or less well rounded...)

Yeah, suprised he said it didnt feel all that fast thought, yet was eulogising about the Jag which was much less powerful in the next video, but I respect Jayemms opinions and he can only call it as he sees it, that example wasn't fully on form.

I think as the refinement goes up in line with power you get something that is faster on paper but isnt necessarily more fun, depends what you derive enjoyment from in a car.

I could go and buy a nice F10 this weekend, just doesn't interest me as I know I wouldn't do the mileage to appreciate it and for the driving I do it just wouldn't be as much fun as something smaller and nippier, would have the same issue as my M135i but much faster.

[TheAngryDog]

Church of Noise said:

TheAngryDog said:

Until March. I would want an LCI (2013 on) F10 M5, and right now my budget doesn't go that far. A remap is inexpensive in the grand scheme of things and should help its mid range a bit. If DCT was a really viable option then i think I would be able to live with it for longer.

Makes sense.

I was recently watching JayEmm's review of the F10 M5 and it kind of confirmed my fear with it: these cars have become so capable, the sensation of it all seems to have been somewhat blunted. Might be interesting to watch, although in the end your own experience is what matters.
(FYI, had the opportunity to chuck an E63 and C63 around a while ago and came to a similar conclusion as JayEmm on the F10 M5... So if anything, I would probably consider something smaller and or less well rounded...)

Yeah the 2013 had some changes to improve the car, so for the sake of 10 months and saving some extra cash, it makes perfect sense to me.

I reckon that car was a bit poorly. I like the E63 (not so much the C63) and I'd have one, but they're not very good looking from the front, and the side profile can look a bit odd. Fake tail pipe as well is annoying.

SturdyHSV said:

Church of Noise said:

So if anything, I would probably consider something smaller and or less well rounded...)

Something like a supercharged VXR8

100% of the power, 30% of the sophistication

I really like the VXR8, but there are a few issues for me;

1) Low tech. I want better audio / DAB.
2) No Xenon headlights. I've gotten so used to Xenon that I have to have them now.
3) Potential to rust.
4) Manual. OK I know you can get an auto, but I don't think the auto suits the VXR8, and for most of the driving I do, not having to use a clutch is perfect for me.

Shame as the VXR8 is something I'd like.

J4CKO said:

Yeah, suprised he said it didnt feel all that fast thought, yet was eulogising about the Jag which was much less powerful in the next video, but I respect Jayemms opinions and he can only call it as he sees it, that example wasn't fully on form.

I think as the refinement goes up in line with power you get something that is faster on paper but isnt necessarily more fun, depends what you derive enjoyment from in a car.

I could go and buy a nice F10 this weekend, just doesn't interest me as I know I wouldn't do the mileage to appreciate it and for the driving I do it just wouldn't be as much fun as something smaller and nippier, would have the same issue as my M135i but much faster.

Newer cars of that ilk are oft going to be more removed. I like fast acceleration. I don't tend to chuck my car around and sometimes I actually find driving a chore.

I like big saloons which is why the F10 appeals on many levels.

Edited by TheAngryDog on Friday 14th May 11:55

[SturdyHSV]

J4CKO said:

I think as the refinement goes up in line with power you get something that is faster on paper but isnt necessarily more fun

This is it, I think a big part of what makes 'power' fun is that sort of hot rodded sensation of there being a bit (lot) more power than the rest of the car is really up to.

Sure the g force / push back into seat is also fun in a rollercoaster way, but your brain soon calibrates itself to that and it becomes normal. The engine being a bit more powerful than the car can really cope with keeps it exciting far longer in my experience.

Some months ago I made the analogy that a big engine is like having a really good sound system in a flat, in so far as it's great to know it's there, it does the day to day quiet stuff really well and with no stress, and you know that when the neighbours go out, you can unleash all kinds of hell.

I'd stretch this analogy further in so far as a big sound system in a flat is always a bit silly, a bit naughty / excessive and as such entertaining as it rumbles the sofa across the floor and so on.

That same sound system in a theatre is then operating in a space that's appropriate to its performance, it's far more refined and I'd say something you'd get used to and that would never be quite as silly in the 'naughty / excessive' way of having it in a flat.

Before the analogy snaps under the strain, I shall bow out

[TheAngryDog]

Took the car down to Winchester today to pick up my slightly belated 40th birthday gift from my wife. I learned a few new things, and relearned a few more.

It's thirsty! Even driving sensibly it likes a drink of the good stuff.
It sounds soooooooo good.
It's more special then the M4.
The idrive is st
SMG is no where near as good as DCT.

But overall I just enjoyed being back in it, which isn't how I felt after picking it up after having the M4 for a while.

Hopefully the next 10 months are enjoyable as well.

[cerb4.5lee]

TheAngryDog said:

Took the car down to Winchester today to pick up my slightly belated 40th birthday gift from my wife. I learned a few new things, and relearned a few more.

It's thirsty! Even driving sensibly it likes a drink of the good stuff.
It sounds soooooooo good.
It's more special then the M4.
The idrive is st
SMG is no where near as good as DCT.

But overall I just enjoyed being back in it, which isn't how I felt after picking it up after having the M4 for a while.

Hopefully the next 10 months are enjoyable as well.

I do genuinely hope that it treats you well(along with pretty much everyone else on the thread!). That V10 will easily make it feel far more special than the M4 for sure.

Enjoy it bud.

[Court_S]

TheAngryDog said:

Took the car down to Winchester today to pick up my slightly belated 40th birthday gift from my wife. I learned a few new things, and relearned a few more.

It's thirsty! Even driving sensibly it likes a drink of the good stuff.
It sounds soooooooo good.
It's more special then the M4.
The idrive is st
SMG is no where near as good as DCT.

But overall I just enjoyed being back in it, which isn't how I felt after picking it up after having the M4 for a while.

Hopefully the next 10 months are enjoyable as well.

Some modern stuff is really good, like the later iterations of idrive which makes the old stuff seem rubbish (assume you’re on CIC) but sound wise modern cars will never compete with older engines especially the V10 in yours. Hopefully it’ll treat you well for the next 10 months.

[MikeM6]

Court_S said:

Some modern stuff is really good, like the later iterations of idrive which makes the old stuff seem rubbish (assume you’re on CIC) but sound wise modern cars will never compete with older engines especially the V10 in yours. Hopefully it’ll treat you well for the next 10 months.

I've never thought of the CIC as rubbish, I had that in my old three series and with the HDD and USB in it did all I needed it to really well. CCC to CIC was the biggest jump, all later versions seems like refinements.

I now have the CCC and it's crap by modern standards, although I am going to say it, having used loads of touch screen stuff (Ford, Vauxhall, Jaguar etc), even the oldest iDrive has a much better way of controlling it by have a controller in a natural position and a screen close to the eyeline.

The main thing I realised is that if the car is interesting to drive, even when commuting, fancy tech is less important. If the car is as dull as dishwater then I seem to care more...

[Court_S]

MikeM6 said:

Court_S said:

Some modern stuff is really good, like the later iterations of idrive which makes the old stuff seem rubbish (assume you’re on CIC) but sound wise modern cars will never compete with older engines especially the V10 in yours. Hopefully it’ll treat you well for the next 10 months.

I've never thought of the CIC as rubbish, I had that in my old three series and with the HDD and USB in it did all I needed it to really well. CCC to CIC was the biggest jump, all later versions seems like refinements.

I now have the CCC and it's crap by modern standards, although I am going to say it, having used loads of touch screen stuff (Ford, Vauxhall, Jaguar etc), even the oldest iDrive has a much better way of controlling it by have a controller in a natural position and a screen close to the eyeline.

The main thing I realised is that if the car is interesting to drive, even when commuting, fancy tech is less important. If the car is as dull as dishwater then I seem to care more...

I’ve never used CIC but assumed it’d be a bit clunky. Big fan of the idrive controller, it makes sense to me.

It’s just one of those things that you get used to. I really rate the idrive in my current car, it’s far more intuitive than similar systems for others. Having done some research this morning it seems it’s pretty easy to modernise both the CCC and CIC with CarPlay for not too much cash. Something I’ll definitely do if I do take the plunge and swap my 140i for something older.

[TheAngryDog]

Court_S said:

TheAngryDog said:

Took the car down to Winchester today to pick up my slightly belated 40th birthday gift from my wife. I learned a few new things, and relearned a few more.

It's thirsty! Even driving sensibly it likes a drink of the good stuff.
It sounds soooooooo good.
It's more special then the M4.
The idrive is st
SMG is no where near as good as DCT.

But overall I just enjoyed being back in it, which isn't how I felt after picking it up after having the M4 for a while.

Hopefully the next 10 months are enjoyable as well.

Some modern stuff is really good, like the later iterations of idrive which makes the old stuff seem rubbish (assume you’re on CIC) but sound wise modern cars will never compete with older engines especially the V10 in yours. Hopefully it’ll treat you well for the next 10 months.

My car has CCC which is very slow. The NBT in the M4 was epic, but CIC is a marked improvement over CCC, so marked that it was used up until 2013 in the F10 M5 iirc. I wouldn't mind upgrading to CIC at some point with the com box and DAB, but that's an expensive do.

Cheers, I hope so too. I may have my sights set on an F90 M5 though rather than an F10 now, which may be a few years off.

[drdino]

A cheaper alternative to a full CIC retrofit would be an MMI box; that way you get Carplay/Android auto. Perhaps something to consider as a stop-gap solution...

[SturdyHSV]

I don't mean this to sound argumentative, it's a genuine query, I had a look at pics of an E60 interior, and it looked like there are buttons for the HVAC and there's a volume knob and some stereo type buttons, so what is the iDrive actually used for on a normal journey?

I guess it just surprises me that, although understandably much worse than the newer ones, it can be enough of a nuisance to put you off the car, which to me sounds like it would have to be a regular (say every drive) nuisance?

As I say, not trying to be difficult, just curious. The full extent of my in car tech interaction is to turn the fans up and down or turn the volume up and down