The return of my E60 M5 - Wallet drained - now Supercharged!

[CarPrintGuy]

Other than the hideously expensive coil packs and complex suspension, I think the biturbo V12s are pretty robust.

[TheAngryDog]

CarPrintGuy said:

Other than the hideously expensive coil packs and complex suspension, I think the biturbo V12s are pretty robust.

That may be true, but if I owned one, it would blow up within minutes.

[Court_S]

The F10 M5 feels like a logical step.

Did you test drive any? I know they were on the list but I can’t remember if you actually did. They certainly looked like cracking value at one point (assuming they’ve not had the COVID tax added).

[Pommy]

TheAngryDog said:

CarPrintGuy said:

Thinking left-field, how about an S65 AMG next if you can get hold of one, or an S600 biturbo and map it?

I think the v12 would be like jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire lol.

Pommy said:

How about a Lexus ISF?

I know this is going against the grain, but I don't like them lol.

Fair enough on the ISF. Not a huge fan myself but figured something purportedly reliable might get your mojo back for this sort of thing. Could imagine a money pit M5 might be the death of your desire for a fast car.

Whatever you do get the best example for the money, not the best money for an example.

What's your budget and criteria?

[TheAngryDog]

Court_S said:

The F10 M5 feels like a logical step.

Did you test drive any? I know they were on the list but I can’t remember if you actually did. They certainly looked like cracking value at one point (assuming they’ve not had the COVID tax added).

No I didn't. I keep meaning to arrange it but usually something comes up.

I also want to try an e63 biturbo before I make any decision really.

Pommy said:

TheAngryDog said:

CarPrintGuy said:

Thinking left-field, how about an S65 AMG next if you can get hold of one, or an S600 biturbo and map it?

I think the v12 would be like jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire lol.

Pommy said:

How about a Lexus ISF?

I know this is going against the grain, but I don't like them lol.

Fair enough on the ISF. Not a huge fan myself but figured something purportedly reliable might get your mojo back for this sort of thing. Could imagine a money pit M5 might be the death of your desire for a fast car.

Whatever you do get the best example for the money, not the best money for an example.

What's your budget and criteria?

It was a fair shout, and sound logic. My appetite for fast cars is still there but I'd like something a bit more modern and reliable.

Budget will be £23k to £25k, depending on what I get for my M5.

Criteria is saloon then coupe, modern, turbo, interesting and has some fun.

[J4CKO]

Hmm, don't know your budget but how about,

Lexus ISF
Vauxhall VXR8
Porsche Panamera Turbo
Audi S8
Merc CLS63
Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio
Mustang GT

Am assuming a big SUV isnt on the radar ?

Does it have to be an M/RS/AMG version ? There is usually a pretty impressive petrol V8 turbo one step down, like the Mercedes 4.7 TT cars and BMW do a similar 550 model, around 400 bhp with more available, takes the Merc to over 500 bhp. The CL looks nice and can be had with that engine and seem to be pretty good value, just depends if you like the look of them, cant imagine it would be far behind your M5 as standard, and quicker mapped.

[TheAngryDog]

J4CKO said:

Hmm, don't know your budget but how about,

Lexus ISF
Vauxhall VXR8
Porsche Panamera Turbo
Audi S8
Merc CLS63
Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio
Mustang GT

Am assuming a big SUV isnt on the radar ?

Does it have to be an M/RS/AMG version ? There is usually a pretty impressive petrol V8 turbo one step down, like the Mercedes 4.7 TT cars and BMW do a similar 550 model, around 400 bhp with more available, takes the Merc to over 500 bhp. The CL looks nice and can be had with that engine and seem to be pretty good value, just depends if you like the look of them, cant imagine it would be far behind your M5 as standard, and quicker mapped.

Budget above .

Yeah it does really, I've always preferred the M / AMG cars. Never had an S Audi, but then I'm not a huge Audi fan.

SUV is pointless for me, no kids. Saloon is pointless but all the cars I like are usually saloons.

I'd love the Alfa, but way out of budget. The VXR8 is nice but it would have to be supercharged as they're slower than my M5.

None of the rest float my boat.

[Pommy]

TheAngryDog said:

J4CKO said:

Hmm, don't know your budget but how about,

Lexus ISF
Vauxhall VXR8
Porsche Panamera Turbo
Audi S8
Merc CLS63
Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio
Mustang GT

Am assuming a big SUV isnt on the radar ?

Does it have to be an M/RS/AMG version ? There is usually a pretty impressive petrol V8 turbo one step down, like the Mercedes 4.7 TT cars and BMW do a similar 550 model, around 400 bhp with more available, takes the Merc to over 500 bhp. The CL looks nice and can be had with that engine and seem to be pretty good value, just depends if you like the look of them, cant imagine it would be far behind your M5 as standard, and quicker mapped.

Budget above .

Yeah it does really, I've always preferred the M / AMG cars. Never had an S Audi, but then I'm not a huge Audi fan.

SUV is pointless for me, no kids. Saloon is pointless but all the cars I like are usually saloons.

I'd love the Alfa, but way out of budget. The VXR8 is nice but it would have to be supercharged as they're slower than my M5.

None of the rest float my boat.

Nissan GT-R or something unusual like a Tesla or SRT8?

[TheAngryDog]

Pommy said:

Nissan GT-R or something unusual like a Tesla or SRT8?

GT-R well out of budget. I like my cars to make sound so the Tesla is out of the question lol.

SRT8, not for me, not a fan of modern American cars.

[Carlos24]

I can’t recommend the BiTurbo E63 enough, such a fast and capable car and bonkers fast if you want to tune.

[Cakey Pig]

TheAngryDog said:

It was a fair shout, and sound logic. My appetite for fast cars is still there but I'd like something a bit more modern and reliable.

Budget will be £23k to £25k, depending on what I get for my M5.

Criteria is saloon then coupe, modern, turbo, interesting and has some fun.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11842786

Edited by Cakey Pig on Tuesday 20th July 06:19

[Tommie38]

Whatever you buy, make sure you get a cast iron warranty and keep it up.

F10 M5 with an AUC warranty would be my suggestion. It was once the case that cars under 60k were cheaper. Then get a monthly warranty and forget about it.

I wouldn’t even map it.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Do you really need a saloon?

I ran a Type-R for three+ years, I too love cars that suit your lifestyle down to the ground but how about a total change for a short period of time?

The likes of a GT86, MX5, S2000, Boxster or whatever can easily be bought at depreciation proof prices and be sold with only running costs at most lost a year later if you really don’t get in with them.

Or your budget will get you any of the more recent mega-hot-hatches. It’s easy to be sniffy about them when you’ve owned such complex machines but my aforementioned FK2 Type-R would keep up with anything on the road, most things on track and could carry the family to school or ten bags of building rubble to the top whenever we needed.

Running costs were nowt as well.

[Bright Halo]

What about a R172 SLK 55
420 hp convertible with fantastic V8 soundtrack. Use for summer then sell without losing too much.

[J4CKO]

The problem is, when buying older, very high performance cars is even when you can afford to buy them they are just so much more of a liability if they go wrong, I suspect the E63 Biturbo or similar is pretty reliable but it will be nearer ten years old.

Just thinking bite off less than you can chew at that budget, leave a bit in reserve. I was saving for an M4, had 12 grand saved, 16 in my M135i and more due so with a bit of a loan I was into the 35 grand needed for a decent M4.

But, decided to aim lower and run the Fiesta ST for a bit, with a bit of fun modifying it, it stands me at about 11 and a half grand, is relatively simple, pretty tough and I know I can easily deal with anything it throws up, did brakes all round, disks and pads for £189. M4 I could have got would have put me into a whole different realm of expense and worry. Nearly bought a black 2015 M3 off a friend of my sons, decided against it as wasn't ready, glad I did, three grand bill on turbos arrived for the new owner who wasn't happy.

[Court_S]

J4CKO said:

The problem is, when buying older, very high performance cars is even when you can afford to buy them they are just so much more of a liability if they go wrong, I suspect the E63 Biturbo or similar is pretty reliable but it will be nearer ten years old.

Just thinking bite off less than you can chew at that budget, leave a bit in reserve. I was saving for an M4, had 12 grand saved, 16 in my M135i and more due so with a bit of a loan I was into the 35 grand needed for a decent M4.

But, decided to aim lower and run the Fiesta ST for a bit, with a bit of fun modifying it, it stands me at about 11 and a half grand, is relatively simple, pretty tough and I know I can easily deal with anything it throws up, did brakes all round, disks and pads for £189. M4 I could have got would have put me into a whole different realm of expense and worry. Nearly bought a black 2015 M3 off a friend of my sons, decided against it as wasn't ready, glad I did, three grand bill on turbos arrived for the new owner who wasn't happy.

That’s the problem ultimately though isn’t it, these cars cost £65k when new and suddenly become affordable due to depreciation but the running costs don’t really change. It’s probably exasperated with the long life service intervals on modern cars too.

The above doesn’t stop me lusting after a proper M car though!

[MikeM6]

Court_S said:

That’s the problem ultimately though isn’t it, these cars cost £65k when new and suddenly become affordable due to depreciation but the running costs don’t really change. It’s probably exasperated with the long life service intervals on modern cars too.

The above doesn’t stop me lusting after a proper M car though!

Get one under 60k and you can get an affordable warranty on it, takes the sting out of the unexpected failures.

[Shaoxter]

Tommie38 said:

Whatever you buy, make sure you get a cast iron warranty and keep it up.

What he said!

It's a shame but when it gets to the point that you're not confident in going on a long trip in the car, it's probably time to move on.

[TheAngryDog]

Cakey Pig said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11842786

Edited by Cakey Pig on Tuesday 20th July 06:19

A good C63 is more than I want to pay, and tbh, they don't have the best image

Tommie38 said:

Whatever you buy, make sure you get a cast iron warranty and keep it up.

F10 M5 with an AUC warranty would be my suggestion. It was once the case that cars under 60k were cheaper. Then get a monthly warranty and forget about it.

I wouldn’t even map it.

Warranties are for the clever. I am not clever

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Do you really need a saloon?

I ran a Type-R for three+ years, I too love cars that suit your lifestyle down to the ground but how about a total change for a short period of time?

The likes of a GT86, MX5, S2000, Boxster or whatever can easily be bought at depreciation proof prices and be sold with only running costs at most lost a year later if you really don’t get in with them.

Or your budget will get you any of the more recent mega-hot-hatches. It’s easy to be sniffy about them when you’ve owned such complex machines but my aforementioned FK2 Type-R would keep up with anything on the road, most things on track and could carry the family to school or ten bags of building rubble to the top whenever we needed.

Running costs were nowt as well.

I'm not a fan of hot hatches (never owned one), estates or coupes. I've always had saloons, I just feel more comfortable in them.

Bright Halo said:

What about a R172 SLK 55
420 hp convertible with fantastic V8 soundtrack. Use for summer then sell without losing too much.

Same as above really, convertibles aren't a car I like so not something that I would ever consider.

J4CKO said:

The problem is, when buying older, very high performance cars is even when you can afford to buy them they are just so much more of a liability if they go wrong, I suspect the E63 Biturbo or similar is pretty reliable but it will be nearer ten years old.

Just thinking bite off less than you can chew at that budget, leave a bit in reserve. I was saving for an M4, had 12 grand saved, 16 in my M135i and more due so with a bit of a loan I was into the 35 grand needed for a decent M4.

But, decided to aim lower and run the Fiesta ST for a bit, with a bit of fun modifying it, it stands me at about 11 and a half grand, is relatively simple, pretty tough and I know I can easily deal with anything it throws up, did brakes all round, disks and pads for £189. M4 I could have got would have put me into a whole different realm of expense and worry. Nearly bought a black 2015 M3 off a friend of my sons, decided against it as wasn't ready, glad I did, three grand bill on turbos arrived for the new owner who wasn't happy.

100%, but I like to live a little dangerously. My plan is to buy a (hopefully) good car and keep some money back for issues etc. I have a sizeable E60 M5 war chest, I just don't want to use it for the M5.

Court_S said:

That’s the problem ultimately though isn’t it, these cars cost £65k when new and suddenly become affordable due to depreciation but the running costs don’t really change. It’s probably exasperated with the long life service intervals on modern cars too.

The above doesn’t stop me lusting after a proper M car though!

I've never been under the illusion that any car at this original price range would cost me 50p a week to run

Shaoxter said:

Tommie38 said:

Whatever you buy, make sure you get a cast iron warranty and keep it up.

What he said!

It's a shame but when it gets to the point that you're not confident in going on a long trip in the car, it's probably time to move on.

Yeah, it's sad but I need something I can trust. I am sure the car will be fine, its booked in for a new PLCD sensor next week, and I know it'll fix it. The next owner will be getting a pretty sorted M5 I reckon.

[alec.e]

Sorry to hear of the contiued issues, my E63 M6 in contrast barely put a foot wrong under my ownership.

Without trying to be rude, the majority of this thread has been selling the car, what to buy and then not selling... Get it sold and move on.