Just won a car - but not entirely happy

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Integroo said:

Then it's not 'worth' 5k. I think it's only fair to use the retail price for a decent one rather than eBay sales price for potentially ratty ones ...

Its a 2003 car that would retail for around £80k to £100k depending on spec so its a very difficult one to judge. Some are asking £8-£10k for them but I don't see any completed sales at those prices. I guess it could be worth £10k if its low miles, good nick. Or maybe more if its been modified.

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Gotta say, you's are getting way too close and are way too good at finding out what car it is.

Someone has got it right already but please forgive me, I can't really say until Wed. How on earth you's managed to get the answer from so little info is quite worrying TBH!!!

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crofty1984 said:

Out of interest, where has the gulf come from? Did you enter thinking you were getting say, a porsche that would be £30k by most peoples estimation, and it's been replaced with a cadillac escalade worth £5-10k?
Or is it that it's still the porsche you expected (not 6.0 V8 I know) except 10 years older and with no interior?
Where did the £30k come from? Was it in their marketing material "Win this £30,000 car!"?

When they did the live draw, they said the lucky winner (me) has won a (car name) worth about £30 grand - congratulations! the (car name) will be on its way to you

During the promotion, they had pictures of what 'type' of car it was, and 'sort of' alluded to it being 10 years old - rather than 16 years old.

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I've just realised the promo picture shows a newer version of the car, not a 2003. It's a newer generation in the picture which ties in with the 'implied' 2009 car. The 2003 looks different.

The pic isn't a photo, its computer generated image but clearly of the newer gen model. Which would make it a 6.2L car, not a 6.0L

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Jakarta said:

OP's Criteria
Very secondhand
V8
10mpg
6.0 Petrol
V8 truck - warm...ish

Cars Listed:
Christmassss - CL500 - Not Truck...ish
Christmassss - A8 W12 - Not Truck...ish
Christmassss - Bentley Turbo R - Not Truck...ish
Valiant - S Class - Not Truck...ish
Shakermaker - VW Splitcreen - Not Truck...ish
Shakermaer - Classic Landrover - Probably not an LS3 converted Landrover
Zedx19 - 760li - Not Truck...ish
Zedx19 - S600 - Not Truck...ish
ricj12 - SL500 - Not Truck...ish
ClaphamGT3 - Rolls - Not Truck...ish
ClaphamGT3 - Bentley - Not Truck...ish
Shalmaneser - Old Merc - Not Truck...ish
Funky Squirrel - LS600 - Not Truck...ish
Funky Squirrel - Scania V8 - Needs a HGV licence
Integroo - P38 RR - Not 6.0 l
Integroo - Escalade - 6.2 l V8
Integroo - A8 W12 - Not Truck...ish
Integroo - CL600 - Not Truck...ish
Integroo - 760 - Not Truck...ish
Snubs - ML63 - 6.2l V8
55palfers - Jeep - Not 6.0 l
DSLiverpool - 300C - Not Truck...ish
SpeckledJim - Chevy Dayvan - Never £100k
Badda - A8 - Not Truck...ish
Badda - 760 - Not Truck...ish
Badda - Old AMG - Not Truck...ish
Mintybiscuit - Hummer
Thunderspook - Escalade 6.2 l V8
R8Steve - F350 Definitely a truck so not Truck...ish

So the prize is a Hummer H2 and guessed by Mintybiscuit.

As mentioned, I don't want to confirm yet. The company doesn't even know I'm a bit miffed by what has happened so it's only fair I take it up with them 1st. I'm going to drop them a mail and see what they say.

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Driver101 said:

Tallow said:

67Dino said:

This is not acceptable business practice and I would think you’ve got the basis for a complaint here. You are owed 30k and have been given 5k so you appear to have been robbed of 25k you are rightly due.

Few thoughts:
- Don’t think the complaint is an Advertising Standards Authority one, but suspect Trades Descriptions Act (which has more teeth). Citizens Advice or a lawyer can advise.
- I believe the fact that the competition is free is irrelevant. In fact, retail competitions need to be free or else the providers have to meet Gambling legislation.
- I also wouldn’t accept the argument that “it was free, so stop complaining”. They’ve not just misled you, they’ve misled everyone who entered the competition, and gained your attention to their brand and activities under false pretences.

Personally, I would find some proof of the mention of 30k, write to the company concerned raising your issue, and ask for something specific by way of compensation eg 25k cash. I would state clearly that if they do not make good their error, then you will take legal action and put it in the public domain. Good luck!

Edited by 67Dino on Monday 19th August 16:12

I agree with this take. It's not just that they've misled you, but also anyone that entered. They presumably ran the competition to gain contact info of potential customers and/or raise their business profile. They got what they wanted but they haven't delivered what they wre giving an implied promise of in return. Pretty shady way to operate a company if you ask me.

I agree. It's a very sneaky thing to do if the car is only worth a fraction of what it was claimed to be.

I find it odd that a company would do the competition with an old car. Especially a big old car.


Come on OP. Link the competition and let us all see. You'll get better advice on the back of it.

Ok.

I'll see what the response is when I contact them 1st and I'll share asap. Its only right I give them the opportunity to clear things up. They might have a surprise lined up that I'm not aware of.

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Driver101 said:

Tallow said:

67Dino said:

This is not acceptable business practice and I would think you’ve got the basis for a complaint here. You are owed 30k and have been given 5k so you appear to have been robbed of 25k you are rightly due.

Few thoughts:
- Don’t think the complaint is an Advertising Standards Authority one, but suspect Trades Descriptions Act (which has more teeth). Citizens Advice or a lawyer can advise.
- I believe the fact that the competition is free is irrelevant. In fact, retail competitions need to be free or else the providers have to meet Gambling legislation.
- I also wouldn’t accept the argument that “it was free, so stop complaining”. They’ve not just misled you, they’ve misled everyone who entered the competition, and gained your attention to their brand and activities under false pretences.

Personally, I would find some proof of the mention of 30k, write to the company concerned raising your issue, and ask for something specific by way of compensation eg 25k cash. I would state clearly that if they do not make good their error, then you will take legal action and put it in the public domain. Good luck!

Edited by 67Dino on Monday 19th August 16:12

I agree with this take. It's not just that they've misled you, but also anyone that entered. They presumably ran the competition to gain contact info of potential customers and/or raise their business profile. They got what they wanted but they haven't delivered what they wre giving an implied promise of in return. Pretty shady way to operate a company if you ask me.

I agree. It's a very sneaky thing to do if the car is only worth a fraction of what it was claimed to be.

I find it odd that a company would do the competition with an old car. Especially a big old car.


Come on OP. Link the competition and let us all see. You'll get better advice on the back of it.

Ok.

I'll see what the response is when I contact them 1st and I'll share asap. Its only right I give them the opportunity to clear things up. They might have a surprise lined up that I'm not aware of.

Good advice and thanks to everyone helping me with this.

As a matter of courtesy, I've dropped them a note, just explaining what I thought I had won and that actually, the reality being so different has taken the gloss off. I will see what they say.

I already have the prize draw video on my phone - I video screen captured it to share with friends and family on WhatsApp, as well as the image that shows a much newer model year of the car.

Just sent it so probably won't hear until tomorrow. Will share straight away once I hear anything and thanks once again to everyone for posting your views.

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Ok, ok. Top sleuthing.

Let me just say, Powerful Patrick haven't responded to my email from earlier this eve and we'll see what they come back with.

This is the initial picture for the comp



It's a MkIII escalade. I've actually won a MkII

Here is the prize draw. Based on the image, and the video below, I THOUGHT I had won a Mk3 Escalade worth 30k.

https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/115362588345...

Only to find out today, it's a 2003 worth a whole lot less.

You never know, they maybe said its worth 30k because they are going to pimp it and that's why it's been nearly a month and I still haven't got the car. So it's important to note, nothing is clear yet as the car hasn't been delivered yet.

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Integroo said:

There are only three cars with a 6l engine on AT for less than 7k

CAT D LPG converted Cadillac Escalade for 6,995
Audi A8 W12 with 'minor faults' for 4,000
MB CL600 for 6,950

What could it possibly be ...

Just going back over the previous post to find out how the hell you guys managed to find out from so little info.

Top sleuthing Integroo!

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Badda said:

I'm guessing:

some American thing

Closing in

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ThunderSpook said:

Escalade.

Nailed it

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Jakarta said:

OP's Criteria
Very secondhand
V8
10mpg
6.0 Petrol
V8 truck - warm...ish

Cars Listed:
Christmassss - CL500 - Not Truck...ish
Christmassss - A8 W12 - Not Truck...ish
Christmassss - Bentley Turbo R - Not Truck...ish
Valiant - S Class - Not Truck...ish
Shakermaker - VW Splitcreen - Not Truck...ish
Shakermaer - Classic Landrover - Probably not an LS3 converted Landrover
Zedx19 - 760li - Not Truck...ish
Zedx19 - S600 - Not Truck...ish
ricj12 - SL500 - Not Truck...ish
ClaphamGT3 - Rolls - Not Truck...ish
ClaphamGT3 - Bentley - Not Truck...ish
Shalmaneser - Old Merc - Not Truck...ish
Funky Squirrel - LS600 - Not Truck...ish
Funky Squirrel - Scania V8 - Needs a HGV licence
Integroo - P38 RR - Not 6.0 l
Integroo - Escalade - 6.2 l V8
Integroo - A8 W12 - Not Truck...ish
Integroo - CL600 - Not Truck...ish
Integroo - 760 - Not Truck...ish
Snubs - ML63 - 6.2l V8
55palfers - Jeep - Not 6.0 l
DSLiverpool - 300C - Not Truck...ish
SpeckledJim - Chevy Dayvan - Never £100k
Badda - A8 - Not Truck...ish
Badda - 760 - Not Truck...ish
Badda - Old AMG - Not Truck...ish
Mintybiscuit - Hummer
Thunderspook - Escalade 6.2 l V8
R8Steve - F350 Definitely a truck so not Truck...ish

So the prize is a Hummer H2 and guessed by Mintybiscuit.

Further update - the 2009 model of the same vehicle is a 6.2 l
Prize vehicle is a 2003 model

Definitely a Hummer H2, Mintybiscuit was the first to call a Hummer before the OP said it had been listed.

Edited by Jakarta on Monday 19th August 17:31

6.2L in the Mk3 onwards threw you off the scent here

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shalmaneser said:

Cadillac Escalade:

2002–2003 6.0L LQ4 (Not Used In Escalade, 8th Digit in Vin = U) Vortec V8, 310 hp (231 kW)

2006–2014 — 6.2 L Vortec 6200 V8, 403 hp (301 kW)

This car sold for £5,500 on eBay:

https://ebay.us/8bOIFe

That is a pretty rubbish car.

EDIT: Apparently they're £93,000 new! - https://www.cadillac.co.uk/vehicles/range/escalade...

Edited by shalmaneser on Monday 19th August 17:43

Good shout chaps

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Condi said:

Given as the T+C's on the advert said

T+Cs said:

What can I win?
Tiger’s crashed car* as seen on the billboard near Portrush.
The car is left-hand drive; it will be delivered to the winner’s door in whatever shape it’s in after it’s removed from the billboard.
We will provide the necessary paperwork (including the log book) to the prize winner.
Prize excludes any costs associated with using the car such as motor and road taxes, NCT/MOTs, insurance, petrol and running/maintenance costs.

• Tiger has never owned this car, but it is the same make as the car crashed by him in 2009.

2003 Cadillac Escalade, Black, long wheel base, 5967CC, grey trim interior

I dont see what the issue is. There is no mention of value on the advert/T+C's and it clearly states exactly what you've entering to win.

Edited by Condi on Monday 19th August 19:27

Yeah, I should have read the Ts and Cs and I mentioned that in the OP. The issue is that until today, I thought I had won a 30k car.

On the competition page when I entered, it showed a fresh looking mk3 escalade and I didn't really pay any attention and just entered.

Next thing I know, phone starts getting all these Twitter alerts. I watch the video, and realise I've just won a 30 grand car. Party time!

Then today, reality sets in. That's why my balloon feels a bit deflated today lol

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jke11y said:

Accelebrate said:

Isn’t the whole point of the competition that you will receive the Escalade used for the billboard near The Open?

Which is what I said in my post on the previous page.

It’s a pretty amusing comp and a pretty amusing thing to win. I’d roll about in it for a month then punt it and be pretty happy with that result. I wouldn’t be emailing paddy power to complain that’s for sure!

Email already sent unfortunately.

I hear what you are saying, as I'm trying to keep an open mind about the whole thing as it's a strange situation. Not every day something like this happens.

The only bit that bugs me is that what I thought I had won wasn't actually the case. Hopefully you can see the euphoria of winning something huge and then funding out it's not quite what I was led to believe. I take my own portion of the blame of that too, just getting carried away with it all.

This is an example of the day I won, family WhatsApp






Celebrating with my mates





You can see its pretty clear I was over the moon and thought I had won a 30k car

After that, I spend the next couple of weeks looking at YouTube vids of the Escalade Tiger was driving back in 2009 (a mk3) and looking at air intake upgrades, exhaust upgrades, what kind of tuning it can take. So yeah, today's has been tinged with disappointment.

I guess I'll need to start to start looking at upgrades for the previous gen car now!

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Initforthemoney said:

Did you read the small print at the bottom?

Yes, I read the small print. It just says not tigers actual car, but the model he was driving (which was back in 2009) so I assumed, incorrectly, what I had won. Its only when you go into t's and c's (which you need to search for) that you realise it 2003.

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Megaflow said:

You won a car, you assumed it to be worth £30k based on some flakey video, even though the t&c’s clearly state it was 16 years old, and now you want to complain?

Jesus fking christ...

I got an alert on my phone, watched the video and thought I had won a 30k car. That's the point of the thread.

I haven't been arsey at all. I dropped them an email and let them know what I thought had happened and that I was surprised to find out different today.

I'm interested in what people think which is why I made the thread. Misleading/genuine error/or 'nothing to see here' please move along.

I'm not getting uptight about it or anything. As I said earlier, kids are going to love it regardless!

Nobody has been killed in this episode so all is well

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rich12 said:

To be fair, even a 2009 model isn't 30k.

I'd be well chuffed with an Escalade no matter what age as they were always the best of the best when I was growing up (movies/music videos etc) so even to waft around in one for a month or so would be amazing.

Shame you're in NI otherwise I would've seriously thought about buying it from you if you didn't want it. (at a discounted I know it cost you nothing price lol)

Yes, should be fun. Looking forward to the school run on September for a laugh. Need to get the antisocial exhaust fitted for extra anti social points

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Sorry for not coming back for a bit, been away looking at trying to get a good deal on breakdown cover

For those that are saying I should have read the T's and C's, yes, guilty as charged.

Got carried away in the moment and just assumed it was an expensive car. I think it's quite easy to see how I got myself into that frame of mind. Instead of checking Ts and Cs, I was straight onto auto trader and YouTube to find out more about these beasts and got sucked down that rabbit hole of air intakes, exhaust upgrades and all that jazz.

Anyways, now that I've found out vehicle recovery agents won't touch me a barge pole, I guess there are other things to discuss while I've got a captive audience.

Anyone driven one of these monsters? Over 20ft long from what I can gather. It's going to handle like a boat (no offence to anyone that has a boat that might give me a run for my money on cornering)

Am I on a hiding to nothing on running costs?

Any suggestions how I could sell on a left hooker with limited market for something so enormous? It seems like it could be tricky to find a buyer.

Was having a chuckle to myself earlier about the whole situation. Compared it in my head to someone going on a Tinder date (not that I've ever been on one)

The expectation








The reality







All the same I'm looking forward to seeing it on Wed and going for a sail with the kids. They'll love the back row of seats and just the sheer absurdity of the car. I've never had a V8 before so in the most bizarre of circumstances, I'm going to tick that box on Wednesday

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ReverendCounter said:

- what about blinging it up a bit and making a rental business of some sort around it

- or offering it to a rental company as an alternative to limo hire for prom type stuff

- executive Uber airport runs (hire it out to an existing Uber driver?)

- make it available to nightclubs as a perk for paying customers, picking them up from bars across town so they can be seen getting out of the car at the club, with some apparent preferential treatment from the door staff

or break it for spares if you can find a market.

Funny, someone at work said similar. It's a niche market trying to sell one of these, even more so considering I live in N Ireland which makes finding a potential buyer even more niche. One of these companies might be interested, and the backstory of it being used to troll Tiger Woods at the open is sort of cool too.

1st things 1st, get it taxed, insured and then take it for a spin. Maybe get some Snoop Dog blaring out of the speakers as I drive around town in a pair of baggy pants and an oversized NBA shirt

Will share the pics of it when I get it tomorrow.