Just won a car - but not entirely happy
Discussion
Alex_225 said:
To be honest I can see both sides of this. On one hand, it's something free and ultimately if it was worth £100 then it's £100 more than the OP had in the first place. Complaining about it on one hand could be considered ungrateful but I don't think that's the point the OP is making.
On the flip side though, what PP have done is fire publicity around this supposed £30k prize which put simply is not worth £30k, then in the T&Cs which they know few will delve into it states the model of the car, year etc. Yes they stated the model details so the model of the car shouldn't be a surprise but it's not worth the amount they've hyped up. So I can understand that it's a cheeky move on their part!
I don't think the OP's wrong to question it, I mean why not at least ask?
I'm guessing £5k is the cost of a good condition one of these. Essentially those T&Cs state that it's the condition it's once it's taken down from that billboard. They could drop it and write the thing off then just deliver it and go, 'Your problem now mate'.
I'm not saying I'd turn down £5k but I do think there's a principle behind it.
It was never advertised as a £30k prize, that was a throwaway comment after the draw had been made. Neither the advertising, nor the T+C's, made any comment as to the value of the vehicle. Aside from 1 computer generated image, which incorrectly used a mk3 instead of a mk2 car, the prize was clearly shown from the start. It would take a proper anorak to notice the differences between the mk2 and mk3 anyway, I suspect 90% of PH couldn't even tell you which was which if shown a photo of just 1 car, let alone the general population. On the flip side though, what PP have done is fire publicity around this supposed £30k prize which put simply is not worth £30k, then in the T&Cs which they know few will delve into it states the model of the car, year etc. Yes they stated the model details so the model of the car shouldn't be a surprise but it's not worth the amount they've hyped up. So I can understand that it's a cheeky move on their part!
I don't think the OP's wrong to question it, I mean why not at least ask?
I'm guessing £5k is the cost of a good condition one of these. Essentially those T&Cs state that it's the condition it's once it's taken down from that billboard. They could drop it and write the thing off then just deliver it and go, 'Your problem now mate'.
I'm not saying I'd turn down £5k but I do think there's a principle behind it.
What really happened was the OP bragged to all his family and mates that he had won a £30k 2009 Cadillac. When he found out what he had won, in order to save face with his friends, and to try and get something of higher value he created this thread, contacted the ASA, and sent snotty, legal sounding, emails to Paddy Power while being roasted by 26 pages of posts who think he's a greedy b
d who had time to google the exact make, model, and age of car Tiger Woods was driving, but not enough time to read 5 lines of T+C's for the competition he won. Edited by Condi on Wednesday 21st August 19:47
Condi said:
What really happened was the OP bragged to all his family and mates that he had won a £30k 2009 Chevvy. When he found out what he had won, in order to save face with his friends, and to try and get something of higher value he created this thread, contacted the ASA, and sent snotty, legal sounding, emails to Paddy Power while being roasted by 26 pages of posts who think he's a greedy bd who had time to google the exact make, model, and age of car Tiger Woods was driving, but not enough time to read 5 lines of T+C's for the competition he won.
Wow. That really isn't how it comes across to me, the OP seems like a genuinely nice bloke who was just disappointed that his prize wasn't what he thought and asked openly on here for a sense check of his opinion. d who had time to google the exact make, model, and age of car Tiger Woods was driving, but not enough time to read 5 lines of T+C's for the competition he won. 
Badda said:
Wow. That really isn't how it comes across to me, the OP seems like a genuinely nice bloke who was just disappointed that his prize wasn't what he thought and asked openly on here for a sense check of his opinion.
I agree with this, originally thought op was a bit of a knob (something we are all capable of from time to time!) But actually I think he's come across really well if you've read the whole thing. I reckon the Escalade should be used at off roading venues and track days til it dies 
Badda said:
Wow. That really isn't how it comes across to me, the OP seems like a genuinely nice bloke who was just disappointed that his prize wasn't what he thought and asked openly on here for a sense check of his opinion.
I agreed, but when his opinion was sense checked he didnt like the answer and proceeded to send this;soupdragon1 said:
But on top of that, and based on some advice from previous posters (thanks) I've went onto the ASA website for a nosey, as well as trading standards. The ASA had a few articles on online competitions, promotions, general standards etc.
On another note, I think it’s only right that I should share that I’ve contacted ASA with a complaint about how the competition led me to believe I had won a prize of more significance. While you quite rightly point out that the T’s and C’s say the car is a 2003 Cadillac Escalade, Paddy Power have implied that it’s a car of more significant value.
ASA state that significant T&C’s should be on the initial page of the promotion rather than in the T&C’s and while Paddy Power have done that for stating that it’s not Tigers actual car, there is no mention that it’s a completely different model year (mark II) than the Mark III in the promotional picture. It’s reasonable to assume that the prize, on initial entry, is a more modern Mark III escalade. Tiger Woods was driving a Mark III Cadillac when he had his famous crash, and the picture shows a Mark III car, and the ad is to win Tigers Crashed Car (just that it’s not the one Tiger actually drove)
Further to this, on the same twitter thread, there is also a video that shows the making of the ad, and while the actual car is shown in this video, it only shows little bits of it, like the wheels, the LED lights at the back, the modern grill and upgraded lights at the front. Again, this would lead you to believe that the car is more modern because these types of features wouldn’t normally be seen on a car of that age. Again, reasonable assumption that indeed, the prize is a more modern car. I’ve discovered that these are aftermarket upgrades - they make the car look fresher.
Then lastly, when the live draw was done, it was clearly stated that I was the winner, and I had won a Cadillac Escalade worth about £30 grand. Do what you want with it, stick it on eBay, insure it etc etc – congratulations Brian.
Clearly, I celebrate winning a £30k car. Both me, and the watching general public, have been given the perception of a different prize than the one I’ve ultimately received. Tiger crashed a Mark III Escalade, the promo picture shows a Mark III escalade and during the prize draw, I was told I had won a £30k Escalade. Very misleading for me and the general public. The prize is a Mark II Escalade, uninsurable (at this point anyway) and nowhere near worth £30k. I do not believe that Paddy Power would have paid £30k to buy this car for the promotion and I’m sure you can easily find out what you did pay. I would be grateful if you could disclose this to me? At least that would give me an indication of its true value.
ASA have responded with an auto email to say they would come back to me within 15 days but I’m hopeful we can arrange suitable compensation before then, rather than for us to go down that route.
On another note, I think it’s only right that I should share that I’ve contacted ASA with a complaint about how the competition led me to believe I had won a prize of more significance. While you quite rightly point out that the T’s and C’s say the car is a 2003 Cadillac Escalade, Paddy Power have implied that it’s a car of more significant value.
ASA state that significant T&C’s should be on the initial page of the promotion rather than in the T&C’s and while Paddy Power have done that for stating that it’s not Tigers actual car, there is no mention that it’s a completely different model year (mark II) than the Mark III in the promotional picture. It’s reasonable to assume that the prize, on initial entry, is a more modern Mark III escalade. Tiger Woods was driving a Mark III Cadillac when he had his famous crash, and the picture shows a Mark III car, and the ad is to win Tigers Crashed Car (just that it’s not the one Tiger actually drove)
Further to this, on the same twitter thread, there is also a video that shows the making of the ad, and while the actual car is shown in this video, it only shows little bits of it, like the wheels, the LED lights at the back, the modern grill and upgraded lights at the front. Again, this would lead you to believe that the car is more modern because these types of features wouldn’t normally be seen on a car of that age. Again, reasonable assumption that indeed, the prize is a more modern car. I’ve discovered that these are aftermarket upgrades - they make the car look fresher.
Then lastly, when the live draw was done, it was clearly stated that I was the winner, and I had won a Cadillac Escalade worth about £30 grand. Do what you want with it, stick it on eBay, insure it etc etc – congratulations Brian.
Clearly, I celebrate winning a £30k car. Both me, and the watching general public, have been given the perception of a different prize than the one I’ve ultimately received. Tiger crashed a Mark III Escalade, the promo picture shows a Mark III escalade and during the prize draw, I was told I had won a £30k Escalade. Very misleading for me and the general public. The prize is a Mark II Escalade, uninsurable (at this point anyway) and nowhere near worth £30k. I do not believe that Paddy Power would have paid £30k to buy this car for the promotion and I’m sure you can easily find out what you did pay. I would be grateful if you could disclose this to me? At least that would give me an indication of its true value.
ASA have responded with an auto email to say they would come back to me within 15 days but I’m hopeful we can arrange suitable compensation before then, rather than for us to go down that route.
Badda said:
Wow. That really isn't how it comes across to me, the OP seems like a genuinely nice bloke who was just disappointed that his prize wasn't what he thought and asked openly on here for a sense check of his opinion.
It isn't though, even though it was pointed to the terms and conditions, the op still wants to persue COMPO even though the 'worth' is very subjective and the car hasn't even turned up, yet he has complained and reported to ASA.The competion is for a car used in a billboard as a joke, yet the op has dissected all the details to come up with his thoughts about what he should be getting...FFS it's a free competition.....
Lazermilk said:
I was thinking that, they probably aren’t cheap at that size!
Also, the pic being a mk3, isn’t this one upgraded to look like a mk3 with the lights and grill etc? So technically it matches?
Back bumper and rear upper light spoiler are different. Also, the pic being a mk3, isn’t this one upgraded to look like a mk3 with the lights and grill etc? So technically it matches?
Big nasty wheels are cheap in yank Town.
Don't know the brand but the initials on the centre caps are Srhs.
Integroo said:
rich12 said:
Quick Google suggests that will be £180 a corner for tyres ...
Such nitpickery. OK, it's a big Yank with a thirst and no real provenance. But despite the smoke and mirrors it has a value and I'm sure somebody will buy it and feel well pleased.
I know what I'd do. Contact Fanny (the alleged car customiser), have him wrap it in Fablon and hawk it around his contacts. Some blinged up rapper or blogger, whose output is never actually seen, will snap it up.
Then spend the wedge on something worth having.
I know what I'd do. Contact Fanny (the alleged car customiser), have him wrap it in Fablon and hawk it around his contacts. Some blinged up rapper or blogger, whose output is never actually seen, will snap it up.
Then spend the wedge on something worth having.
davhill said:
Such nitpickery. OK, it's a big Yank with a thirst and no real provenance. But despite the smoke and mirrors it has a value and I'm sure somebody will buy it and feel well pleased.
I know what I'd do. Contact Fanny (the alleged car customiser), have him wrap it in Fablon and hawk it around his contacts. Some blinged up rapper or blogger, whose output is never actually seen, will snap it up.
Then spend the wedge on something worth having.
I know what I'd do. Contact Fanny (the alleged car customiser), have him wrap it in Fablon and hawk it around his contacts. Some blinged up rapper or blogger, whose output is never actually seen, will snap it up.
Then spend the wedge on something worth having.
If the only time £30k was seen or mentioned was an off the cuff remark whilst the draw was being made, I can't see how you have a claim to 30 grand.
If the original advertisings said it then you can argue you only entered because it was worth that. You clearly can't do that here, you'd already entered.
if they used a pic of a slightly newer model then they should give you one of those. Given its presumably an error I think they should give you the one you have, and the cash difference to what a newer one could have been. Whats the difference value wise between yours and the cheapest one of the upgraded model?
If the original advertisings said it then you can argue you only entered because it was worth that. You clearly can't do that here, you'd already entered.
if they used a pic of a slightly newer model then they should give you one of those. Given its presumably an error I think they should give you the one you have, and the cash difference to what a newer one could have been. Whats the difference value wise between yours and the cheapest one of the upgraded model?
See the actual car in the flesh...
https://youtu.be/XFICns6Aq20
And even more.... https://youtu.be/V6ocdf6b0g8
More background here - https://news.paddypower.com/golf/2019/07/17/tiger-...
https://youtu.be/XFICns6Aq20
And even more.... https://youtu.be/V6ocdf6b0g8
More background here - https://news.paddypower.com/golf/2019/07/17/tiger-...
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 21st August 20:47
Thesprucegoose said:
Look up the definition of ungrateful it would direct to this thread.
Free competition, throw away comment 30k (could be worth that who knows not even turned up yet).
For me it just smacks of pure greed, doesn't want the car just wants 30k, I don't think PP has done anything wrong just someone ungrateful won it.
To balance off the ying and yang of the thread, it's important for me to acknowledge that there is an element of me pushing for more despite winning a free to enter competition. I cant deny I've come across like that.Free competition, throw away comment 30k (could be worth that who knows not even turned up yet).
For me it just smacks of pure greed, doesn't want the car just wants 30k, I don't think PP has done anything wrong just someone ungrateful won it.
I've also said I'm level headed and not got emotional about it. That's probably wrong - I have been a bit emotional about it. Its been quite a rollercoaster looking back over the last couple of days.
The fact they've went ahead and fixed it all up and valeted etc is pretty cool too. I just need to forget about the 30k dream and just remind myself I've won a cool motor which didn't cost a penny to enter - that's awesome!
That's where my heads at right now. Back to feeling good and those pics from earlier have cheared me up no end - thanks for that!
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