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k your olive branch, your a typical spoilsport and there’s no reasoning with spoilsports Max_Torque said:
You suggested i couldn't read, so i put up exactly what you posted.
What more do i want? I want you to finish the dam car and enjoy it, for what it will be, which is amazing!
But i also want you to be honest, and make sure you do fully understand what you have to do to get the car back on the road.
Yes, i'm the dog with the bone, but it's really is an important bone. Too many home builders build illegal cars, run them on their original plates, and risk the very real penalties that that entails. Now, i'm sure you do have a greater understanding on what is required, i'm sorry it's taken this argument to get to this point, and i think if you look at what you wrote in this thread, then you can see where some of my lack of confidence had sprung from.
I am more than happy to help you, wherever i can to get your project pushed forwards, and i'm happy to let it all be water under the bridge, so to speak. And yes, i'm a right PITA sometimes, but unfortunately, i'm also right fairly often too (it's an annoying habit of mine....... ;-) (<< this is joke btw, my heads big, but not that big...)
You are quite entitled to tell me to do one (politely) of course, but i am offering the branch if you want it :-)
That’s the thing - it didn’t take this argument, you could have accepted something I said all the way back 4 pages ago where I said that I knew what was required, and then after that when I said if it needs an IVA it will have an IVA. All you have done since is disrupt the conversation based on snipets of quotes that I have said. All of which are irrelevant due to the amount of work I have done so far and/or from when I stated the above 2 things.What more do i want? I want you to finish the dam car and enjoy it, for what it will be, which is amazing!
But i also want you to be honest, and make sure you do fully understand what you have to do to get the car back on the road.
Yes, i'm the dog with the bone, but it's really is an important bone. Too many home builders build illegal cars, run them on their original plates, and risk the very real penalties that that entails. Now, i'm sure you do have a greater understanding on what is required, i'm sorry it's taken this argument to get to this point, and i think if you look at what you wrote in this thread, then you can see where some of my lack of confidence had sprung from.
I am more than happy to help you, wherever i can to get your project pushed forwards, and i'm happy to let it all be water under the bridge, so to speak. And yes, i'm a right PITA sometimes, but unfortunately, i'm also right fairly often too (it's an annoying habit of mine....... ;-) (<< this is joke btw, my heads big, but not that big...)
You are quite entitled to tell me to do one (politely) of course, but i am offering the branch if you want it :-)
Edited by Max_Torque on Sunday 10th November 18:55
Wouldn’t surprise me if nobody comes in here and has a look anyway by now as all they’re expecting is an ongoing argument about something that nobody cares about - because reality is nobody does care about wether this car gets an IVA or not, all they care about is if it works or not. The whole legal business is my issue and my thing to care about.
DanielSan said:
I hate to talk about the car, but is that the Reiger front bumper? One of the best looking available for the Mk1 Focus, even better than the RS imo.
Yeah get out of the IVA thread with that talk!Yes it is a Reiger bumper - pretty much sold me the car tbh, I love the look of it. Shame I was blinded a little and bought a rotten car but it is what it is.
Ironically the bumpers are £150 new so could have just bought one of them lol
Danj8608 said:
Any actual progress updates?
erm, car has an engine that turns over but doesnt fire, a clutch that works but doesnt actuate, a propshaft that is spot welded together, a rear subframe that is indeed bolted in and functional (the diff turns and the suspension bounces and everything).its missing brakes (although this is a bolt on jobby), driveshafts, and some oil stuff for the turbos, and the exhaust needs to be fiddled and welded and its ready for a shakedown
I’ve read standard ecu can cope with up to about 7 so we’re in the ballpark.
This will be running about 7psi with some Volvo turbos. See how it goes iron out any issues with it. Limit on the thin rods is about 8 anyway so I’m not gonna risk it too much to begin with
Then whilst I’m doing that I’m gonna build a thick rod engine with standalone ready to just drop into the car along with some sort of T3 flanged turbo as that’s what the Volvo turbo uses
This will be running about 7psi with some Volvo turbos. See how it goes iron out any issues with it. Limit on the thin rods is about 8 anyway so I’m not gonna risk it too much to begin with
Then whilst I’m doing that I’m gonna build a thick rod engine with standalone ready to just drop into the car along with some sort of T3 flanged turbo as that’s what the Volvo turbo uses
seeing as this is the only place interested in IVA's and if i eventually have to have one - what is the consensus on using a mustang fuel tank which forms part of the boot floor?
considering the IVA stuff says this...
11. A Fuel Tank must not be located in, or form part of the passenger
compartment, or other compartment integral with it and the bulkhead that
separate the passengers from the fuel tank must be free from holes
through which any escaped fuel could travel.
and the top of the mustang fuel tank is built to be the boot floor of a mustang
are they incompatible?
note: I wont be filling it up from the standard mustang spot through the bootlid but will block the hole and put a new pipe in the side for regular filling from the fuel flap
If this is not compatible then I would seriously appreciate any input from anyone that can identify an "off the shelf" fuel tank that will fit under the car or in this space that is available in the boot behind the subframe.
bare in mind im not willing to have a fuel cell sat in the boot as the whole car needs to stay as standard as possible on the inside, and i don't particularly want to make my own fuel tank. its something ive managed so far and its only really the fuel tank that is getting in my way now
im sure the hive mind can come up with a random car that has a fuel tank that will fit in the hole at some point
considering the IVA stuff says this...
11. A Fuel Tank must not be located in, or form part of the passenger
compartment, or other compartment integral with it and the bulkhead that
separate the passengers from the fuel tank must be free from holes
through which any escaped fuel could travel.
and the top of the mustang fuel tank is built to be the boot floor of a mustang
are they incompatible?
note: I wont be filling it up from the standard mustang spot through the bootlid but will block the hole and put a new pipe in the side for regular filling from the fuel flap
If this is not compatible then I would seriously appreciate any input from anyone that can identify an "off the shelf" fuel tank that will fit under the car or in this space that is available in the boot behind the subframe.
bare in mind im not willing to have a fuel cell sat in the boot as the whole car needs to stay as standard as possible on the inside, and i don't particularly want to make my own fuel tank. its something ive managed so far and its only really the fuel tank that is getting in my way now
im sure the hive mind can come up with a random car that has a fuel tank that will fit in the hole at some point
Hump over tank won’t work they’re all too big. The only one that may work is one of the brz cousins but try finding tank dimensions anywhere. Almost impossible.
I also only have ~10cm between the car and propshaft under the seat
Total width is only 85cm between chassis rails and 40cm between diff and back seat footwell.
I’m almost certainly ruling out hump tanks because of space. What I haven’t ruled out yet is 2 separate tanks either side of the prop but that’s difficult and double the expense. I’m not cutting into the rear footwell as there’s a structural member there and I’ve had enough of working with the complex bits.
That leaves the rear as my only other option. I’m happy to make a false floor at boot level height, that was the plan with the mustang tank anyway if you consider the tank to be the floor. That leaves 2 “rectangles” of space that can realistically be filled with fuel tank.
Those rectangles are 80x65x10 which would sit above the subframe and 55x40x25 which would sit behind the subframe
I also only have ~10cm between the car and propshaft under the seat
Total width is only 85cm between chassis rails and 40cm between diff and back seat footwell.
I’m almost certainly ruling out hump tanks because of space. What I haven’t ruled out yet is 2 separate tanks either side of the prop but that’s difficult and double the expense. I’m not cutting into the rear footwell as there’s a structural member there and I’ve had enough of working with the complex bits.
That leaves the rear as my only other option. I’m happy to make a false floor at boot level height, that was the plan with the mustang tank anyway if you consider the tank to be the floor. That leaves 2 “rectangles” of space that can realistically be filled with fuel tank.
Those rectangles are 80x65x10 which would sit above the subframe and 55x40x25 which would sit behind the subframe
I basically have this much room to play with.
not convinced im going to find anything tbh
just another hurdle in the race to see if this will actually work or not
custom aluminium tank wont pass IVA even though i could conceivably make one, i have the abilities and machinery.
modified steel fuel tank wont pass IVA even though this is something i could do much easier
standard steel fuel tank is an option if i can find one that fits, but i suggest the compromises i'm making in the size wont allow it to be a reasonable road worthy car
standard plastic tank is my best bet but finding one in the right size and shape is likely impossible.
also id like to point out that i've been searching for a fuel tank for about 2 years now so its not through lack of trying.
not convinced im going to find anything tbh
just another hurdle in the race to see if this will actually work or not
custom aluminium tank wont pass IVA even though i could conceivably make one, i have the abilities and machinery.
modified steel fuel tank wont pass IVA even though this is something i could do much easier
standard steel fuel tank is an option if i can find one that fits, but i suggest the compromises i'm making in the size wont allow it to be a reasonable road worthy car
standard plastic tank is my best bet but finding one in the right size and shape is likely impossible.
also id like to point out that i've been searching for a fuel tank for about 2 years now so its not through lack of trying.
InitialDave said:
Why won't a custom or modified steel/aluminium tank pass IVA?
A plastic fuel tank, or a tank for LPG, has to be unmodified and documented as suitable, but a normal petrol/diesel tank should just need to not leak, and meet the other requirements for location, fitting, and earthing etc.
I don't recall anything saying they can't be DIY.
Perhaps I misread then. Or assumed that any fuel tank has to have documentation claiming it being fit for automotive application. A plastic fuel tank, or a tank for LPG, has to be unmodified and documented as suitable, but a normal petrol/diesel tank should just need to not leak, and meet the other requirements for location, fitting, and earthing etc.
I don't recall anything saying they can't be DIY.
If I’m making my own it’s not going to have any cert, and if I modify one it’s going to be fairly clear it’s been modified.
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