Toyota Crown JZS171 - JDM Barge
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swampy442 said:
As someone who daily'd a Crown V for a year, on the motorway cruising at about the legal limit you can regularly average 28mpg ish
yeah it did really well on my drive down to north london and back.. probably 130ish miles at random speeds, drank around quarter of a tank, grudas said:
They're great cars! 
I'm genuinely enjoying mine. Estates are uber practical too, even my saloon has a huge boot, shame that seats don't fold but that's a very toyota/lexus saloon thing to do. And 1jz is a beautiful engine.
to be honest with you I only run it on V-Power or Momentum so can't tell how it behaves on 95 etc, momentum seems to be a bit better economy vise and returns 1-2mpg/average extra over vpower, power/response wise it is all very similar/not something I notice.
I'm averaging around 19mpg now so not great but hey, can't have it all! I do have a heavy foot and mostly commute through country lanes and some a roads.
Given how much of a porker it is, that is actually not too bad at all! I'm genuinely enjoying mine. Estates are uber practical too, even my saloon has a huge boot, shame that seats don't fold but that's a very toyota/lexus saloon thing to do. And 1jz is a beautiful engine.to be honest with you I only run it on V-Power or Momentum so can't tell how it behaves on 95 etc, momentum seems to be a bit better economy vise and returns 1-2mpg/average extra over vpower, power/response wise it is all very similar/not something I notice.
I'm averaging around 19mpg now so not great but hey, can't have it all!
I do have a heavy foot and mostly commute through country lanes and some a roads. The only reason I'm looking into one of these (or any Lexus of similar vintage) is because my commute to work is a mere 8 miles return. Man maths is clear in confirming it makes it a very economical car.
Will definitely be following this thread with great interest!
BlameItOnGT2 said:
Given how much of a porker it is, that is actually not too bad at all!
The only reason I'm looking into one of these (or any Lexus of similar vintage) is because my commute to work is a mere 8 miles return. Man maths is clear in confirming it makes it a very economical car.
Will definitely be following this thread with great interest!
it is big length wise, doesn't feel/look that wide for some reason. I think they're around 1700kg so not too crazy for the size.The only reason I'm looking into one of these (or any Lexus of similar vintage) is because my commute to work is a mere 8 miles return. Man maths is clear in confirming it makes it a very economical car.
Will definitely be following this thread with great interest!
it is a very economical car, returns steady mpg etc..
if you need any more convincing.
Great car Alex!!
Although not a S170 mine is super frugal on the fuel - made it Cornwall-Southampton-Back on a single tank and I wasn't on an eco run. When we went round Europe we'd budgeted £800 on fuel and it used £270. Such a great car!
grudas said:
it is big length wise, doesn't feel/look that wide for some reason. I think they're around 1700kg so not too crazy for the size.
it is a very economical car, returns steady mpg etc.. if you need any more convincing.
Grudas is your turning circle tiny? Mine's smaller than the Skyline was it is a very economical car, returns steady mpg etc..
if you need any more convincing. Although not a S170 mine is super frugal on the fuel - made it Cornwall-Southampton-Back on a single tank and I wasn't on an eco run. When we went round Europe we'd budgeted £800 on fuel and it used £270. Such a great car! grudas said:
it is big length wise, doesn't feel/look that wide for some reason. I think they're around 1700kg so not too crazy for the size.
it is a very economical car, returns steady mpg etc.. if you need any more convincing.
Oh I don't need any more convincing!it is a very economical car, returns steady mpg etc..
if you need any more convincing.Good to know that it doesn't feel as big as it looks. Always have been concerned that the bigger Jap estates like the Crown Estate and the Stagea would feel too big. Although I hear the Stagea does actually feel as big as it is.
love it @alex!
as far as the car goes, well it's been interesting few weeks..
work wise I've replaced the front upper control arms as the bushes were dead and gave it a wash.
and then we went into arch rolling to make space for wider wheels.. this didn't go to plan to say the least!
the crown some with this extra lip screwed into the arch lip which after removing leaves a few square holes in the lip and when rolling those holes ended up twisting the metal a bit which resulted in some minuscule dents on the arch.. so that's another thing to sort out, might get in touch with a paintless dent repair guy and see what he says.
as far as winter wheels go, well my 225/40/19 tyres still do not clear on the rear! now it touches the rear bumper so need to figure out how to go about that, I want more rubber but these crowns came with 225 rear tyres which in my opinion is very undersized for the car/power and it constantly struggles.
car did get a wash at the end and is looking better.
TommoAE86 said:
Grudas is your turning circle tiny? Mine's smaller than the Skyline was Although not a S170 mine is super frugal on the fuel - made it Cornwall-Southampton-Back on a single tank and I wasn't on an eco run. When we went round Europe we'd budgeted £800 on fuel and it used £270. Such a great car!
I think it's around 17ft or something! not much more than ls400 which is impressive over-all. That is impressive! mine barely does 20mpg Although not a S170 mine is super frugal on the fuel - made it Cornwall-Southampton-Back on a single tank and I wasn't on an eco run. When we went round Europe we'd budgeted £800 on fuel and it used £270. Such a great car! BlameItOnGT2 said:
Oh I don't need any more convincing!
Good to know that it doesn't feel as big as it looks. Always have been concerned that the bigger Jap estates like the Crown Estate and the Stagea would feel too big. Although I hear the Stagea does actually feel as big as it is.
it does feel big when you go from other cars but you get used to it very quickly.. took me a week or so going from my is250 and to be fair the crown is easier to place on the road due to boxy shape.Good to know that it doesn't feel as big as it looks. Always have been concerned that the bigger Jap estates like the Crown Estate and the Stagea would feel too big. Although I hear the Stagea does actually feel as big as it is.
as far as the car goes, well it's been interesting few weeks..
work wise I've replaced the front upper control arms as the bushes were dead and gave it a wash.
and then we went into arch rolling to make space for wider wheels.. this didn't go to plan to say the least!
the crown some with this extra lip screwed into the arch lip which after removing leaves a few square holes in the lip and when rolling those holes ended up twisting the metal a bit which resulted in some minuscule dents on the arch.. so that's another thing to sort out, might get in touch with a paintless dent repair guy and see what he says.
as far as winter wheels go, well my 225/40/19 tyres still do not clear on the rear! now it touches the rear bumper so need to figure out how to go about that, I want more rubber but these crowns came with 225 rear tyres which in my opinion is very undersized for the car/power and it constantly struggles.
car did get a wash at the end and is looking better.
grudas said:
I think it's around 17ft or something! not much more than ls400 which is impressive over-all. That is impressive! mine barely does 20mpg :biggrin:
I can get roughly 380miles from a full tank normally, which is shockingly close to the 420 I used to get from my Jag (which was a diesel!!!) In Europe I was getting over 700kms but then I was on cruise all the time and the roads are so empty over there - the cruise won't go over 118km/h so super frugal 
grudas said:
as far as winter wheels go, well my 225/40/19 tyres still do not clear on the rear! now it touches the rear bumper so need to figure out how to go about that, I want more rubber but these crowns came with 225 rear tyres which in my opinion is very undersized for the car/power and it constantly struggles.
That's interesting, I put Hancook's on the back having had a good experience with them on the Skyline but they've really struggled in the wet/cold conditions - mine are 225/45/18's. When I change them I'm going to go premium and see if that helps.best I've done was 420km from a tank, was around 22mpg if I remember correctly.. it could do much better but my commute is mostly country lanes.
current are 225/45/18 and those fit..
I can't put power down at all, even 60mpg it spins up the rears on kickdown
TommoAE86 said:
That's interesting, I put Hancook's on the back having had a good experience with them on the Skyline but they've really struggled in the wet/cold conditions - mine are 225/45/18's. When I change them I'm going to go premium and see if that helps.
sorry I mean 255/40/19! current are 225/45/18 and those fit..I can't put power down at all, even 60mpg it spins up the rears on kickdown
That's impressive to still get that at 60, what bhp is yours up to again? Mine usually struggles just from a standing start. Wondering if I can get away with 19's without any arch work as I think it would be nice to fill abit better than the standard wheels.
The 700km is right at the limit from the book figures after a fill up on the outskirts of Amsterdam all the way down to Luxembourg city - was so surprised
The 700km is right at the limit from the book figures after a fill up on the outskirts of Amsterdam all the way down to Luxembourg city - was so surprised
TommoAE86 said:
That's impressive to still get that at 60, what bhp is yours up to again? Mine usually struggles just from a standing start. Wondering if I can get away with 19's without any arch work as I think it would be nice to fill abit better than the standard wheels.
The 700km is right at the limit from the book figures after a fill up on the outskirts of Amsterdam all the way down to Luxembourg city - was so surprised
it's around 300! but the open diff and 225 midrange tyres really do not help The 700km is right at the limit from the book figures after a fill up on the outskirts of Amsterdam all the way down to Luxembourg city - was so surprised
it kicks down hard and breaks traction.. with traction off I had it spinning to silly speeds for the power that it is.. that is very impressive, what engine is yours again? the v6 shared with some lexus models right?
Correct the 3.5V6 - from the UK it's shared with the GS350/450h, IS350, RC350 etc. Then a few more JDM only and USA models.
You can also supercharge it which seems like a load of fun: https://www.tomsracing.co.jp/sv/products/parts/det... (now discontinued) The 13th Gen Crown Athlete you could buy it from the factory with the supercharge
You can also supercharge it which seems like a load of fun: https://www.tomsracing.co.jp/sv/products/parts/det... (now discontinued) The 13th Gen Crown Athlete you could buy it from the factory with the supercharge
Nice, interesting car - wasn't aware of them until this thread. Bit of a face only a mother could love (IMO obviously), but love the rest of the look. Read through all posts and found myself nodding in agreement at this:
And:
Maldini35 said:
This is the sort of thing I find most interesting now.
Affordable, interesting, older cars.
Maybe I'm getting old (well, I am), but majority of modern cars almost without fail don't excite me as much as interesting older ones Affordable, interesting, older cars.
And:
grudas said:
it could do much better but my commute is mostly country lanes.
I'm guessing country lanes aren't this car's forte?! That's a big bus to be taking down smaller roads a11y_m said:
I'm guessing country lanes aren't this car's forte?! That's a big bus to be taking down smaller roads
I'm okay with it, such a boxy car is easy to place on the road but tighter country lanes obviously cause issues car is still going! bar my messing around with suspension setup it has been fine, it's running HSD coilovers with what was "comfy/standard" set of springs at 12kg front and 10kg rear but the issue I found is that with those springs the shock was 50% + compressed just standing still, any bigger bump etc on the road would bottom out the suspension.
this also caused issues with me trying to lower it a bit more before sorting out the fitment on the wheels.
I ended up having a chat with HSD and they suggested that the testing was done on a wagon version of this car but I'm struggling to see how it managed it without bottoming out unless the suspension is in some way different as the sedan should be lighter.
anyway, the car drove fine with 12/10 kg setup but not amazing.
I ended up ordering new springs and rebuilding the coilovers just after xmas, this time I went for 18k front and 16k rear so quite a bump in stiffness/rate.
the result is that the car can now be lowered more and handles a million times better, I can actually hoon it at decent speeds around twisties and it holds it self together! impressive for a thing of this size.
the ride also improved, guess the fact that shock/spring combo can now handle the car makes a massive difference!
I've also installed my spare set of alloys I had, 19's this time. Not a huge fan of them but they will do for now while I refurbish the 3pc split SSR's and get the dishes polished etc.
a few pictures of work/how it sits now.
swampy442 said:
Get some grease on those coilovers, stat! Don't you run into clearance issues running so low?
Are those eBolas?? *Puke emoji*
Yeah they've been covered in acf50 Are those eBolas?? *Puke emoji*
and threads etc have had copper grease on top just in case.Not too bad, front rubs a little on the arch liner at full lock and on an incline.
Bigger issue is the upper control arm hitting the strut tower over major bumps! Need RCAs to correct the geo and will also raise the car a bit to avoid that.
They are indeed bola b16! Not amazing but they'll do for the winter as spare wheels. These are 19s whereas the SSRs are 18.
But the SSR splits will go back on once they're in a better shape.
Suspension was adjusted by eye, equal each end but too low for my liking. I will raise it this weekend when I have a hour to kill.
Rear needs to go up by 10-15mm and front around the same.
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