BMW X5 45e hybrid
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aponting389 said:
BrettMRC said:
Utter madness not plugging it in IMO, why bother with a hybrid at all?
The low BIK. It makes perfect sense, why bother using his own electricity when he gets fuel for free?1) It's missing the point of the vehicle to not charge it, especially with the bigger ones.
2) Charging them is not expensive.
3) Hauling around half a ton of motors and batteries just to burn even more fuel "just because you can" is feckless.
If the poster above has no charging options at all then maybe I can see where he is coming from a bit, but still seems utterly wrong.
Edited by BrettMRC on Monday 17th August 11:34
BrettMRC said:
There's a couple of reasons...
1) It's missing the point of the vehicle to not charge it, especially with the bigger ones.
2) Charging them is not expensive.
3) Hauling around half a ton on motors and batteries just to burn even more fuel "just because you can" is feckless.
If the poster above has no charging options at all then maybe I can see where he is coming from a bit, but still seems utterly wrong.
Reasonable points but I would say “because it’s cheaper” not “because you can”1) It's missing the point of the vehicle to not charge it, especially with the bigger ones.
2) Charging them is not expensive.
3) Hauling around half a ton on motors and batteries just to burn even more fuel "just because you can" is feckless.
If the poster above has no charging options at all then maybe I can see where he is coming from a bit, but still seems utterly wrong.
It's complete madness that's what I'm saying. The government make these things very cheap as a company car (the BMW is roughly the same BIK as a 1 litre Fiesta), I don't pay for fuel but there is no way to claim the cost of electricity back. Therefore very few company car drivers ever plug in, and that's where most of these vehicles are going currently. I'd rather a V6 or V8 diesel...
I always plugged in my PHEV company car, as do others from my company. We get paid per mile rather than having a fuel card so it is financially beneficial for us to use electricity where we can.
So it is not only a few company car drivers who plug in, depends on whether they have a fuel card or are reimbursed per mile.
So it is not only a few company car drivers who plug in, depends on whether they have a fuel card or are reimbursed per mile.
GL123 said:
It's complete madness that's what I'm saying. The government make these things very cheap as a company car (the BMW is roughly the same BIK as a 1 litre Fiesta), I don't pay for fuel but there is no way to claim the cost of electricity back. Therefore very few company car drivers ever plug in, and that's where most of these vehicles are going currently. I'd rather a V6 or V8 diesel...
Have you ever plugged it in? Surprised the company doesn't provide a charging facility!
BrettMRC said:
Have you ever plugged it in?
Surprised the company doesn't provide a charging facility!
I work from home and travel regularly around the UK. Car is in car port on gated drive next to a plug socket. I plugged it in once but didn't bother again because anything more than light throttle kicks the ICE in. Probably because it's so heavy as its full of batteries....Surprised the company doesn't provide a charging facility!
GL123 said:
I work from home and travel regularly around the UK. Car is in car port on gated drive next to a plug socket. I plugged it in once but didn't bother again because anything more than light throttle kicks the ICE in. Probably because it's so heavy as its full of batteries....
The 45e is a very different beast in that regard 
Not Ideal said:
Just got back from my France trip in my 40e. Stats aren't toooo bad.
2100 miles
48h
24.8mpg
44.2mph
I think the mpg isn't bad considering it had 4x people and 3x suitcases in it for the most part. I think it suffers at the 85-95 leptons mark because its only got a small 2l 4cyl engine which does about 2200-2500 rpm at those speeds which means its working quite hard. I imagine the newer 45e does better at that speed on a long run because it is a 6cyl ?
I don't want to come across as being a typical PH member with nothing positive to say, but those figures seem very poor to me. My much older supercharged range rover sport would get 22-23MPG on a run like that at 80-85MPH, and my even older XJR around 28-30MPG. Neither are cars designed with economy in mind, so it seems bizarre that a far more modern hybrid would do anything other than comprehensively beat them. It seems that from a purely environmental perspective, unless you're only doing short, town based journeys, these don't make much sense (tax savings excluded of course), or am I missing something?2100 miles
48h
24.8mpg
44.2mph
I think the mpg isn't bad considering it had 4x people and 3x suitcases in it for the most part. I think it suffers at the 85-95 leptons mark because its only got a small 2l 4cyl engine which does about 2200-2500 rpm at those speeds which means its working quite hard. I imagine the newer 45e does better at that speed on a long run because it is a 6cyl ?
Edited by Not Ideal on Tuesday 4th August 06:58
Geekman said:
Not Ideal said:
Just got back from my France trip in my 40e. Stats aren't toooo bad.
2100 miles
48h
24.8mpg
44.2mph
I think the mpg isn't bad considering it had 4x people and 3x suitcases in it for the most part. I think it suffers at the 85-95 leptons mark because its only got a small 2l 4cyl engine which does about 2200-2500 rpm at those speeds which means its working quite hard. I imagine the newer 45e does better at that speed on a long run because it is a 6cyl ?
I don't want to come across as being a typical PH member with nothing positive to say, but those figures seem very poor to me. My much older supercharged range rover sport would get 22-23MPG on a run like that at 80-85MPH, and my even older XJR around 28-30MPG. Neither are cars designed with economy in mind, so it seems bizarre that a far more modern hybrid would do anything other than comprehensively beat them. It seems that from a purely environmental perspective, unless you're only doing short, town based journeys, these don't make much sense (tax savings excluded of course), or am I missing something?2100 miles
48h
24.8mpg
44.2mph
I think the mpg isn't bad considering it had 4x people and 3x suitcases in it for the most part. I think it suffers at the 85-95 leptons mark because its only got a small 2l 4cyl engine which does about 2200-2500 rpm at those speeds which means its working quite hard. I imagine the newer 45e does better at that speed on a long run because it is a 6cyl ?
Edited by Not Ideal on Tuesday 4th August 06:58
^What he said
The 45e is currently the best 4x4 PHEV in terms of combined range, but none of the PHEVs will be as good as a decent diesel on repeated long journeys.
With the pandemic I've not yet had an opportunity to do my semi-regular Scotland runs which would give a good indication as to MPG without a charge at one leg of the trip. (Although if you look at my C350e thread, it's not always that cut and dried on long trips with PHEVs... https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... )
The 45e is currently the best 4x4 PHEV in terms of combined range, but none of the PHEVs will be as good as a decent diesel on repeated long journeys.
With the pandemic I've not yet had an opportunity to do my semi-regular Scotland runs which would give a good indication as to MPG without a charge at one leg of the trip. (Although if you look at my C350e thread, it's not always that cut and dried on long trips with PHEVs... https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... )
Edited by BrettMRC on Tuesday 18th August 08:08
I got my MY20 XC90 T8 in June this year and currently getting 32.7 mpg on average - I would have preferred the X5 45e with a 6 cylinder but need the 7 seats!
I had a Skoda Kodiaq before which averaged 38 mpg over 90k miles, so in my mind it's not a huge amount worse for something that costs me less BIK!
I can run the charging through the business, but for the first year Volvo refund the cost (calculated through the app). I generally keep it plugged in most nights as there is something quite satisfying about wafting around in silence for the shorter journeys.
As much as I like the car and despite the design (inside and out) being quite timeless, it's starting to show it's age against cars like yours
I had a Skoda Kodiaq before which averaged 38 mpg over 90k miles, so in my mind it's not a huge amount worse for something that costs me less BIK!
I can run the charging through the business, but for the first year Volvo refund the cost (calculated through the app). I generally keep it plugged in most nights as there is something quite satisfying about wafting around in silence for the shorter journeys.
As much as I like the car and despite the design (inside and out) being quite timeless, it's starting to show it's age against cars like yours
BrettMRC said:
GL123 said:
It's complete madness that's what I'm saying. The government make these things very cheap as a company car (the BMW is roughly the same BIK as a 1 litre Fiesta), I don't pay for fuel but there is no way to claim the cost of electricity back. Therefore very few company car drivers ever plug in, and that's where most of these vehicles are going currently. I'd rather a V6 or V8 diesel...
Have you ever plugged it in? Surprised the company doesn't provide a charging facility!
Geekman said:
I don't want to come across as being a typical PH member with nothing positive to say, but those figures seem very poor to me. My much older supercharged range rover sport would get 22-23MPG on a run like that at 80-85MPH, and my even older XJR around 28-30MPG. Neither are cars designed with economy in mind, so it seems bizarre that a far more modern hybrid would do anything other than comprehensively beat them. It seems that from a purely environmental perspective, unless you're only doing short, town based journeys, these don't make much sense (tax savings excluded of course), or am I missing something?
That's my thoughts exactly this BIK thing will inevitably be a blunt instrument but most company car drivers do above average mileage on motorways where these hybrids are far less economical than around town. However I'll stop complaining and shut up as I'll pay the same BIK on a 400bhp £80 grand car as a 1l Fiesta....After ordering in January mine in now in the country, but held up with the battery / weld spot issue
Doh!
Looking on line it looks like the open pore wood is no longer available?... So looks like it'll be fairly unique!
How is yours going?
Are you getting the same 50:50 battery : fuel miles as Harry?
Doh!
Looking on line it looks like the open pore wood is no longer available?... So looks like it'll be fairly unique!
How is yours going?
Are you getting the same 50:50 battery : fuel miles as Harry?
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