I bought an SV - BIG Build thread

I bought an SV - BIG Build thread

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Projectblue51

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Friday 26th June 2020
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dai1983 said:
We don't have professional drivers in the armed forces only aimers.

Will it need an SVA test once its done?
Doesn’t need an SVA, just registered as PHGV and MOTD.

Projectblue51

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Friday 26th June 2020
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Scrump said:
The rules on YT videos have been relaxed recently. A link to your YouTube channel about the build of this would be welcome.
Scrump
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Here it is (I hope this the correct channel!):
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLLiTPhVCIBHQZ7J8...
Yes, that’s the one. Thanks Scrump.

I am really happy that so many people are interested. As petrolhead you think ‘are people going to care about a big smelly diesel truck that caps out at 56mph? ‘ biggrin

Projectblue51

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Friday 26th June 2020
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irocfan said:
Or...

Yeah, that doesn’t do it for me. I think that’s OK (Oshkosh) missile launcher or something with an RV body nailed on (literally).

When you go to some places there are road surfaces that will literally shake that to pieces (the motorhome bit, not the OK).
And the OK bit will do about 8mpg and the tyres impossible to find etc etc.
But then you probably weren’t being serious right? biggrin

Projectblue51

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Friday 26th June 2020
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CharlesdeGaulle said:
Will you keep it green? I was chatting to a chap on a camp-site who'd converted an ex-German Army box body and who had decided to paint it in a less-militaristic colour to avoid any difficulties with varying perceptions around the planet. Seemed an odd thing to be aware of but he was pretty serious about it.

He'd made a cracking job of the conversion and planned to travel the world with his German girlfriend and her daughter. I often wonder how they got on.
Absolutely not keeping it green, he was right. It's one of the luxuries of living in the UK, we don't pick up on stuff like this. But if you plan to cross many borders (as I do), the last thing you want to be in is in something that looks like an Army truck. You will get shot at. Literally. If you are lucky, worse thing is getting a st load of attention at border crossings.

There is a debate about painting it bright colour for visibility/vs darker colour so it doesn't stand out when parked "somewhere you maybe shouldn't". Some folks are worried about attracting the wrong kind of attention and in the UK, the worst thing we think of is robbery. Which tends not to happen to be honest. You are more likely to get shot at or blown up by at trigger happy bored border guard than you are robbed.

I'm opting for, er 'be seen, be safe' attitude. Crash into this, they can't say "didn't see you coming" biggrin



Projectblue51

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Friday 26th June 2020
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dai1983 said:
Cool I guess you're not altering the chassis?

When we went to Albania and drove around the mountains the tyres were pretty rubbish. The rocky mountain roads would tear up the inside of the tread and a load had to get shipped over to be fitted before we drove back to the UK by the very happy Albanian MAN dealer. There were also run flat versions with an inner liner fitted but these were mostly used on the recovery SVR.

Depending on what you end up doing it may have been worth hunting out a Marines Waterproof and Winterised one. I've not compared it to a non W&W but we were told they were a lot more expensive as they had to wade up to 1.5m. The breather pipes for things like the diffs, gearbox, and even the lights are all up high behind the cab. There is a fuel burning heater for the coolant and one in the cab to heat it up. It also has heater elements in the fuel system.

For wading all the drivers have to do is grease everything, fit putty to the door drain holes, close the heater flap, lock the diffs, open the capola and fit an emergency recovery strop and air lines. A lot less labour and spares than a Land Rover but they still got it wrong such as leaving the flap open which flooded the cab or not locking the diffs so they got stuck in the sea.
Changing subframe to torsion free - but to my knowledge (which is limited) it doesn't need it. I could well be wrong.
I don't need WW. Just upspec mine to 1.5mm with the bits as you say. Anything that's WW has been sunk in sea water. Not a good thing imho.

The Conti tyres are not great and are getting swapped for the optional Michi XZL's in a teeny 395/85/20 size. They are about an inch and a half wider, but crucially a more aggressive pattern.

I've also sourced some mil spec Hutchinson alloys in 20" that fit. I say sourced. I found 2. So another 4 to go. And everything is bigger, heavier and more expensive.



Evanivitch said:
Epic thread. Only 1% less epic than if you had a Pinz, but SV are mutt's nuts. Can't believe they're getting auctioned so early on.

Do you have 12V or 24V in the cabin?
I like Pinz but they are too small for what I want to do. I know a lovely couple who are converting an ex RAF ambulance 6x6 Pinz and down sizing from their big Expedition truck. For me at 6' 2" and 20 stone - it's not an option.

24v in the cab and 12/240v in the living quarters.


Edited by Projectblue51 on Friday 26th June 22:56

Projectblue51

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Friday 26th June 2020
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jaybarts said:
Absolutely love this thread, didn’t click on it for a few days thinking it was going to be Lambo content.

I can’t believe some of these are being sold off already, we were always short on 6, 9 and 15t SV’s and would constantly be swapping them around Squadrons due to whole fleet management. Remember when they arrived around 07/08 and they were so much nicer to be in compared to the old 4t bedfords/dafs.

First thing I would change is the step attached with swr, they rattle like crazy. Not sure if you had any of the CES come with it but I could imagine the magnetic window covers still being useful when you travel in hotter climates.

Looking forward to the updates.
biggrin cool. I may have put SV because I've been hanging out on Expedition forums and every bugger has a truck there. SV seemed so much more in keeping.

Didn't get any CES, BUT, I have just learned about where there may be some of said window covers.

When you say step, do you mean ladder, or the cab steps on the flex steel rope? I have managed to get a mkII ladder. The modified one that doesn't try to kill you.

Originally I was looking at the Daf t244 (I did my FMT600 in an MK biggrin) but reading up they are becoming more difficult to keep running well ref parts etc. Then the first of these showed up at direct auction and I thought 'no comparison' biggrin

Projectblue51

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Saturday 27th June 2020
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jaybarts said:
The cab steps on the steel rope, even on idle they make a constant irritating rattle.

You’ve made a good choice on a base vehicle though, they would tend to feel bouncy when empty but with the added weight of your conversion on the back it should enhance the drive.

Oh and don’t forget any time you tilt the cab, completely empty it off loose objects unless you fancy driving with goggles wink
Cheers for that and lols about the cab tilt/driving with goggles. Sounds like experiencing talking there biggrin


dai1983 said:
Just watched your CAD render and looks very impressive. Do they auction the MoD box units with the built in aircon/heater as they'd just fit on the flatbed using a big forklift. They're just a modified shipping container though!

One trick we were taught is to turn the little side light on before you press the battery isolator switch. We were told that it needs to draw a little current to operate the isolator but at worst it gives you an indication everything is isolated when the light goes out.
Thanks, I cannot take credit for the CAD render. One of the members is a Turkish architect believe it or not, and he did them for me as a favour, which was really nice of him.

The containers are rare and fetching big money now. Not as much as a custom composite, but still big money. The boxes are tough and ready to go. But as you said, basically a shipping container. Also they sit directly on the bed. Saves changing the captive spring set up, because they don't need a torsion free subframe because they are tough. But it means they are higher and you have less flexibility.
Swings and roundabouts of course.

I am aware of the overhead light trick, but thanks. I'd rather be told three times about something than no one mention something that I don't know about and it bites me in the ass biggrin

Edited by Projectblue51 on Saturday 27th June 18:28

Projectblue51

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Sunday 28th June 2020
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Milkbuttons said:
Just subscribed to your channel smile
Thanks for the support biggrin


donkmeister said:
A marine head, a comprehensive selection of manhole keys plus a spade!

Compost toilets seem all the rage amongst the "van life" community, but what few explain is that they use toilets in shops, gyms etc most of the time and that a composting toilet does not work when you have diarrhoea (one of the van-life guys explained this in detail!).

Cassette toilets are a PITA and need to be emptied too frequently.

If you have a macerating marine toilet then you can lift a sewer cover somewhere quiet and dump the black tank there. If you're in the middle of nowhere then you can dig a hole and empty it into that.

(Source: I wanted to build something like this but never quite convinced myself I could see it through).
Thanks for the pointers.
Having done many miles and days in a motorhome better known as the Dick of a Dog's Summer Palace biggrin




I totally understand that towing around a plastic suitcase full of poo is a horrible thing, especially if it's very full and leaking slightly from a poor seal (like the one I rented in NZ South Island was). I was therefore looking at composting bogs. But I wasn't convinced.
'Macerating' sounds like 'pre-chewed' and therefore kind of diarrhoeay anyway. But it's worth checking out - thanks.

What I need is a freeze drier with vacuum sealer. Like in The Martian biggrin

I have been accused of talking st before, but this time, it is actually true biggrin

Edited by Projectblue51 on Monday 29th June 22:36

Projectblue51

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Friday 3rd July 2020
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New Vlog 4 out. Any of you with a rubber fetish should watch this biggrin

Vlog 4

Projectblue51

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Sunday 5th July 2020
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DoubleD said:
What a fantastic project, im in.
Bobberoo99 said:
Subscribed!!! thumbup
Thanks for the support.

Projectblue51

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Monday 6th July 2020
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agent006 said:
It might be stable, but you'll never be level, anywhere, ever. Make sure you've got at least a pair of drains diagonally opposite each other or it'll be a huge pain showering when the plug is uphill of the shower tray. Spent 18 months on the road in a motorhome, and I think our shower was at the right level about three times.
Yeah, I hear you. Been there done it. Trick is to put a glass of water in the bathroom and have your other half guide you on it with chocks. Or fit levelling suspension arms wink - But the twin drains is a good idea. Will use that.

Watchman said:
Subscribed to both this thread and YouTube.
I opened this thinking it might be about a Caterham SV, or a Lambo SV. I even wondered if it could be an MG SV but no - this has so much more awesome.
Thanks for your support and kind words. Much appreciated. I shall let Rosie know she is more awesome than a Lambo SV biggrin (She's got more torques anyway wink )


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Projectblue51

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Tuesday 7th July 2020
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Superhoop said:
Bookmarked..

Not just because this looks like an awesome project, but also because you have a Bull Terrier - exceptional taste..
Thanks for your support Superhoop. Sadly it's had. She passed away a few years ago. Never had a better dog. An utter clown, but also amazing. I may get another as a travel companion.

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Wednesday 8th July 2020
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AeroS said:
Amazing project!

Seriously thinking of this myself, Mrs Aero not convinced.... but so much cooler than a pensioner wobbly box on wheels!

A couple of questions if ok

- What are they like to drive? Comfort, long distances, suitability to our roads?
- Is 50k really optimistic on costs? With a 12K truck what drives the costs as construction looks much more straightforward than the complexities of smaller contoured motor homes?

No worries if too busy - best of luck with it - watching with interest!
Thanks for the support! I'm doing the YouTube and Blogs for people like yourself who want to do it, but it looks way too much hassle. I was the same so I'm trying to show it's achievable and anyone can do it biggrin

To drive:
You are talking about a large, fairly heavy truck. This one is an army truck. As it stands, a bit basic. BUT. Air suspended seats. Air con. Power steering. Automatic. Square box, Big mirrors. High vantage point. Wheel in each corner. Fit sound deadening and carpet. Decent stereo. All in all, after a little bit of adjustment, probably no harder than a long motorhome.
Long distance - not tried it, so can't tell you. They are comfy, loads of room in the cab and enough room to kip behind the seats should you want/need. With the aux tank I'm fitting I think I will get 1400km range, which is Calais to Venice, non stop. Well. Loo breaks. Downside is max 96kmh. Plus side, see photos below.

Suitability for UK roads:
Sure, they feel a bit wider than the preceeding Daf. That's because the cab goes right out over the wheels, rather than having wide wheel arches. There will be some resistance at Caravan club pitches due to weight.

Costs:
What drives the cost if the truck is £12k. Good question. The box isn't cheap. Then there is the engineering for the subframe to make a torsion free (isolates the twisting of the chassis out so it doesn't damage the box). Electric inverters and control boxes cost a grand on their own. The winch, another grand a bit. Special fridge? A grand? No, £1400 biggrin
Is £50k achievable? "Yes, if you are careful and clever with how you spend your money" is my answer. I've seen people build a good truck for £50k on a Merc chassis cab they paid £20k for. Ok, so he built his own box but even so. Normally the issue is weight and everything in a traditional motorhome is about weight saving. It's made with lightweight caravan build stuff and that's also expensive. E.g. Plastic mixer tap for the shower that froze and cracked one winter because I didn't drain it properly = £74.
Because these trucks are over 7.5t and will take 12, 15 or in my case 18t, weight isn't an issue. So you can put a good metal domestic mixer tap on from Screwfix for £29 and it will be perfectly fine and probably much better than the plastic caravan one. The kitchen is domestic carcass size, so find one that's on offer/sale. etc and so forth.




Projectblue51

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Wednesday 8th July 2020
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pidsy said:
In for the truck primarily but the Bull Terrier tipped me over the edge!

Well done OP.
Thanks Pidsy, appreciate the support. EBT are just the best aren't they?


AeroS said:
Thanks for taking the time to reply really helpful
The cost question will be an interesting one! Like anything/anyone the temptation for scope creep will be massive and given the scale of the truck I can imagine costs could get out of control el rapido! But equally after all the efforts you go to the last thing you want is a “budget” finish.
Sorry if rambling to myself - this is the loop I’m stuck in haha.
Good luck - watching with interest!
Cheers AeroS and I understand. Have a look here at the interior of this truck. This was my inspiration for getting the right feel inside the living accomodation (PS tell MrsAeroS that you can fit a washing machine in these, it's a bit of a sexist assumption but I bet I'm not wrong biggrin):



So many builds are done in Europe and look like the inside of Ikea. White, blonde beachwood and limes and yellows. I wanted cottage/pub feel.

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Projectblue51

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Monday 13th July 2020
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Thanks for the support everyone. Not much to update.
Have received the correct winch parts and rebuilt the winch with the right bits.
Busy arranging other peoples trucks and swapping out my fab, but expensive VXR8 GTS for something more cost effective that returns Capital back into my bank ready for Rosie build.

Incidentally, anyone know the code for embedding the videos rather than just having a link? I checked the formatting help but it doesn't say (also tried [youtube/] and [movie/] which work on some boards.

Thanks

Projectblue51

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Saturday 18th July 2020
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Update time:

Because I've had so much lovely support here, you special monkies are getting this before anyone else biggrin
This update is a bit wordy. TLDR - got some new tyres. Drove a long way to get them. Very happy.


Yesterday I did a round trip of just shy of 500 miles and 15 hours from SW England to Market Harborough to do a parts pick up (as you do). Then on to Doncaster to drop off and then back to SW empty because I was in a hire van and it needed to back the following morning.

Those of you that have been paying attention will have noticed I picked up some spare new tyres. Rosie currently sits on 14.00 Conti M&S but they are mullered. Plus, I'm a great believer in tyres make a big difference. So, I was always intending to switch over to 395/85/20's which are wider, but about 5cm less in diameter. They are optioned by the military for this truck, so I'm happy they will be right.

So 395/85/20's are used by the US military a lot and it's reasonably easy to find used with around 70% left but I dropped on a chap selling 4 brand new, never fitted. Not only that. I agreed to buy them the day BEFORE the Govt paper gets released saying truck tyres must be less than 10 years old. And these are only 5 years old. Result. Stop one, Market H'borough to collect four new tyres.
Note: Wheel & Tyre = 120kg. Tyre alone 70kg. Tyres stacked in garden which is DOWNHILL. Who f****ng stacks mahoosive tyres at the bottom of a slope? Army, that's who. Muscle power, no thinking ;-) biggrin
Tyres in the van off I go to Doncaster.

It's about here that I began to question my sanity. I've just dropped £1,600 on just four tyres for a truck that I can't drive, isn't registered, and is partially dismantled. I'd been up since 05:30, it was 11am and I'd just done my second work out of the day. And for those who have watched the Youtube vids, you can see that 20 years behind a desk living easy life has taken it's toll. I know I need the work outs, but my knees were complaining like mad. biggrin

Just as there was a danger that I was feeling I was doing a stupid thing, and I should just give up, my favourite thing happened. A road I have never travelled unravelled in front of me. This is genuinely one of my guilty pleasures. Like exploration in terms of "ooh, never been down here, wonder what sights I will see?" as much as "wonder how technical/quick/flowing this road is" - Tell me I'm not the only one who thinks that? biggrin
Anyway, the additional weight in the back had calmed Skippy the Box Kangavan down, I followed the satnav around the back of Rockingham Speedway and out onto the A43 heading Northeast for the A1. What a lovely part of the world that area is, and I'd never experienced it before.

Anyway, enough 'feelings' nonsense. Back to tyres. The original two tyres I had found came on Hutchinson military split rims. Expensive when new, many kicking around used but they have seen hard work (and been blown up) in 'Ghan. These two were immaculate. The 4 tyres I picked up were also new, never fitted to a rim. Bonus.

So Rosie has 6 new boots. Total cost £2,400. Just need four more of those Hutchinson rims and that's those done.

I also spent an hour with the owner of Motorcraft Adventure Developments. The chap is a wizard engineer and thoroughly nice bloke and went all the way through my questions and discussed what can be done, what should be done, and what i can afford to have done. Many discussions were had about the options and the following elements are going to be added to the build.
Two 'Safari' style windows. These are large almost stable door type openings, but with a window built in. So you can open the window for air, or open the massive opening for full ventilation and that 'inside/outside' feel.
One Skyhatch. Same concept as a Safari window, but in the ceiling. Allowing access out onto the roof (gain access to the PV panels, cleaning etc). Few more windows one for the kitchen, one for the bathroom.

I also met up with a couple who were basically parked in the yard waiting for DVLA to process the registration of their truck. They were lovely and I had a brief tour but time was running out. Hopefully I might be back at some point and get a better tour of the truck. I didn't want to intrude as they were fixing dinner.

Finally, I got home about 22:30. Knackered and hating Transit van bog spec and then this morning left to drop the van off and, sob, p/x my beast of a VXR8 against..... a diesel mini biggrin. Needs must when the Devil is emptying your bank account so you can build your dream project.

YouTube Vlog coming soon, when I've edited it - talking of which, can someone tell me how to embed the YT link please. It's not in formatting help, I checked.

p.s. Also took the winch up, because it needs fitting to the rear of the truck chassis prior to the box going on. Once the box is on, it kinda gets in the way for lowering a BFO winch in to place.





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Projectblue51

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Sunday 19th July 2020
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Cheers Naturals. I can do that bit, but the member doing the GTR build has embedded his, so I'm sure it can be done.

Projectblue51

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Sunday 19th July 2020
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ZX10R NIN said:
Great work OP I know how much work it takes to build something like this (I've had to fit out a couple of race trucks) but keep up the good work.
Thanks, appreciated. The race trucks are cool, but one of the things with those (and most motorhomes) is they are designed to driven on normal roads and then parked up. The difference with these Expedition trucks is the punishment they get makes the interior build more akin to a boat than a van, if you get my drift. But it's nice to know you have done them. I shall be in touch for pointers biggrin

Projectblue51

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Monday 20th July 2020
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Quirrel said:
Link below for two campers in mongolia.
They were built by two guys where money was no object. One owned Chingis brewery, the other coal, copper and a couple of oil rigs.

Nice guys, met them with their converted H1 hummers with flat roof shooting platform with in built heating panel for winter wolf hunting.

Link below. Not sure of the range.
Wow, cool. I love those Zetros trucks. 100k for the chassis cab alone.

Projectblue51

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Tuesday 21st July 2020
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LochTay said:
Where's the 'follow thread' button?
At the top of the page 'watch' / 'bookmark'