F31 335d x drive Touring - perfect daily ?
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I was in touch with BMW to request the OTR price to its first owner. £56,539.99. Pricey! Just to put things into perspective I paid less than half that just before the cars third year of registration.
September will see the 35d’s first Track Day at Anglesey. I’m going with a group of M car friends, with me letting the side down slightly in the coal burner. Very intrigued to see how the 35d gets on at Anglesey – it’ll certainly be put through its paces – that is guaranteed.
On the drive home I’ll be stopping off somewhere to have a set of Michelin PS4’s fitted to the front axle because the following morning the car will be packed to the brim and used to take family to Disney Land Paris.
I was in touch with BMW to request the OTR price to its first owner. £56,539.99. Pricey! Just to put things into perspective I paid less than half that just before the cars third year of registration.
September will see the 35d’s first Track Day at Anglesey. I’m going with a group of M car friends, with me letting the side down slightly in the coal burner. Very intrigued to see how the 35d gets on at Anglesey – it’ll certainly be put through its paces – that is guaranteed.
On the drive home I’ll be stopping off somewhere to have a set of Michelin PS4’s fitted to the front axle because the following morning the car will be packed to the brim and used to take family to Disney Land Paris.
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First track day attended in the 335d organised by Javelin Trackdays at Anglesey Circuit. 5am start joined with some heavy German artillery … F82 M4, E90 M3, E92 M3, E39 M5 and an M140i with Birds B1 specification. Lost the E92 M3 about an hour in - freak accident saw the sump punctured by debris on the road – he asked us to rock on.
I wasn’t expecting too much from the stock brake setup on a track day but must admit they did surprise me. Performed a little better than I expected. I did get some brake fade and spongy feel after a few laps but on the whole not bad. It would be fair to say the brakes are now well used and there is a bit of brake squeal – changing out the front brake pads should quieten it down. No iDrive warnings on the brakes yet.
Every lap was done in Sport + / DSC off with gearbox in sport mode. The adaptive suspension with ACS springs had its work cut out, I did experience body roll whilst cornering but this is to be expected given the weight of the car is around 1800 - 1850kg. I didn’t bother removing the baby seat ahead of the track day.
I had the occasional GT4, Caterham and track car come past but largely much to my surprise the 335d wagon was setting quite a pace! Got the occasional nod of approval too .. can’t be often some idiot takes a diesel wagon on track
A good few hours later the front tyres were toast.
…… what followed was a desperate bid to get myself to a tyre shop to have both fronts replaced with a fresh set of Michelin PS4’s.
The following morning (after the trackday - another 5am start) the 335d was packed to the brim for a family holiday to Disney Land Paris. Can't remember anything overtaking me during the 430 mile journey.
10 miles short of the arriving at the hotel I had to top up engine oil as the iDrive indicated the oil level was at the minimum. A quick detour to the local BMW dealer – BMW Envergure Meaux 77 to grab a litre of oil. Topped up 0.5 litre which was enough to bring the car back to the middle of minimum and maximum.
Obligatory Eifell Tower picture …
...... track car one day, European tour bus the next.
First track day attended in the 335d organised by Javelin Trackdays at Anglesey Circuit. 5am start joined with some heavy German artillery … F82 M4, E90 M3, E92 M3, E39 M5 and an M140i with Birds B1 specification. Lost the E92 M3 about an hour in - freak accident saw the sump punctured by debris on the road – he asked us to rock on.
I wasn’t expecting too much from the stock brake setup on a track day but must admit they did surprise me. Performed a little better than I expected. I did get some brake fade and spongy feel after a few laps but on the whole not bad. It would be fair to say the brakes are now well used and there is a bit of brake squeal – changing out the front brake pads should quieten it down. No iDrive warnings on the brakes yet.
Every lap was done in Sport + / DSC off with gearbox in sport mode. The adaptive suspension with ACS springs had its work cut out, I did experience body roll whilst cornering but this is to be expected given the weight of the car is around 1800 - 1850kg. I didn’t bother removing the baby seat ahead of the track day.
I had the occasional GT4, Caterham and track car come past but largely much to my surprise the 335d wagon was setting quite a pace! Got the occasional nod of approval too .. can’t be often some idiot takes a diesel wagon on track
A good few hours later the front tyres were toast.
…… what followed was a desperate bid to get myself to a tyre shop to have both fronts replaced with a fresh set of Michelin PS4’s.
The following morning (after the trackday - another 5am start) the 335d was packed to the brim for a family holiday to Disney Land Paris. Can't remember anything overtaking me during the 430 mile journey.
10 miles short of the arriving at the hotel I had to top up engine oil as the iDrive indicated the oil level was at the minimum. A quick detour to the local BMW dealer – BMW Envergure Meaux 77 to grab a litre of oil. Topped up 0.5 litre which was enough to bring the car back to the middle of minimum and maximum.
Obligatory Eifell Tower picture …
...... track car one day, European tour bus the next.
Edited by peetee7 on Wednesday 22 September 08:30
I'd always wondered how a 335d would do on track re how it held up, are there any concerns about oil starvation or pick up on long fast corners etc, i know the same could be said about the x35i engine but there is more experience around of this.
Obviously the weight and performance will mean higher consumables wear...but I note that the new 2 series xdrive performance model is about the same weight as the 335d!!!
It looks good in the pictures on track
Reflecting back to Anglesey Circuit and sharing my thoughts on how the car performed. The optional S2NH M Sport Brakes held up reasonably well with a slight annoyance being the initial brake bite (the first 10 to 20% I’d say) – feels like very little happens. Pretty sure this is a general characteristic of the car given its weight. The car does eventually stop when the brakes are pressed hard enough though In addition to the initial brake bite I found myself getting on the brakes a little earlier than I would’ve liked whilst approaching a corner… again has to be weight related as it’s the heaviest car I’ve been around on a track. With that being said it’s quite easy to go hot into a corner due to the power in relation to the brakes.
Cornering wise the car did rather well – glad the ACS springs were on to keep the car composed somewhat. Mid to late corner I found myself holding back from getting on the accelerator as the car would begin to push wide at the nose – bloody understeer! I am led to believe that installing a thicker rear anti roll bar dials out some of that understeer … worthwhile mod IMO and something I may look into!
With the slight annoyances aside and with everything nestled I must say the car exceeded my expectations – it’s hilariously quick. I found myself laughing on occasion on approach to corners, on corner, coming out of corners and the straights! A constant thought ‘how flipping quick has this car become and should I even be able to do that to the car ahead’.
@Scottie-NW – must admit I didn’t put any thought into oil starvation. Car felt fine if I’m honest – no loss of power. Power was available anytime I needed it.
A big thumbs up for the 335d family wagon from me.
In addition to the initial brake bite I found myself getting on the brakes a little earlier than I would’ve liked whilst approaching a corner… again has to be weight related as it’s the heaviest car I’ve been around on a track. With that being said it’s quite easy to go hot into a corner due to the power in relation to the brakes.Cornering wise the car did rather well – glad the ACS springs were on to keep the car composed somewhat. Mid to late corner I found myself holding back from getting on the accelerator as the car would begin to push wide at the nose – bloody understeer! I am led to believe that installing a thicker rear anti roll bar dials out some of that understeer … worthwhile mod IMO and something I may look into!
With the slight annoyances aside and with everything nestled I must say the car exceeded my expectations – it’s hilariously quick. I found myself laughing on occasion on approach to corners, on corner, coming out of corners and the straights! A constant thought ‘how flipping quick has this car become and should I even be able to do that to the car ahead’.
@Scottie-NW – must admit I didn’t put any thought into oil starvation. Car felt fine if I’m honest – no loss of power. Power was available anytime I needed it.
A big thumbs up for the 335d family wagon from me.
The only reason i thought of the oil starvation issue is because not too far from you, twice a year Liverpool motorsports get's to hold a Saturday trackday on the old Aintree F1 circuit, or at least part of it. It only happens on these days because it's in the middle of the horse racing track, and there is also a golf course in the middle of the F1 part, so you can't run the activities together, the odd car ends up on a fairway etc
What made me think of this is that they have a very long fact corner, and it seems to catch out some cars every year as the corner goes on for a long time and cars end up with oil starvation, and the odd diesel engine has had an incident.
I honestly have no idea if diesel s6 is better or worse than petrol, it just made me think as some cars more intended for track like m cars do they have some sump baffling if not dry sumped?
Anyway if you've never been to see this event it really is great, cars are grouped A to D and the D group is some superb pure old racing cars from the 70's and 80's it's a great mix of performance cars.
Scottie - NW said:
The only reason i thought of the oil starvation issue is because not too far from you, twice a year Liverpool motorsports get's to hold a Saturday trackday on the old Aintree F1 circuit, or at least part of it. It only happens on these days because it's in the middle of the horse racing track, and there is also a golf course in the middle of the F1 part, so you can't run the activities together, the odd car ends up on a fairway etc
What made me think of this is that they have a very long fact corner, and it seems to catch out some cars every year as the corner goes on for a long time and cars end up with oil starvation, and the odd diesel engine has had an incident.
I honestly have no idea if diesel s6 is better or worse than petrol, it just made me think as some cars more intended for track like m cars do they have some sump baffling if not dry sumped?
Anyway if you've never been to see this event it really is great, cars are grouped A to D and the D group is some superb pure old racing cars from the 70's and 80's it's a great mix of performance cars.
Excellent thanks I will definitely take a look at Aintree F1 circuit. The car won’t be seeing another track day with the exception of Nurburgring just once - it’ll be a good little ownership memory. Will be aiming for a sub 9 minute run which is realistic.What made me think of this is that they have a very long fact corner, and it seems to catch out some cars every year as the corner goes on for a long time and cars end up with oil starvation, and the odd diesel engine has had an incident.
I honestly have no idea if diesel s6 is better or worse than petrol, it just made me think as some cars more intended for track like m cars do they have some sump baffling if not dry sumped?
Anyway if you've never been to see this event it really is great, cars are grouped A to D and the D group is some superb pure old racing cars from the 70's and 80's it's a great mix of performance cars.
Wheels are looking very tired now. Quite disappointed as I’ve always cleaned them with ph neutral wheel cleaners and they’ve still corroded. Decided to go for a powder coat finish as diamond cut is expensive and will probably only last another year before they begin to corrode again. Rather annoying !
Gone a bit wild with the choice of colour … gloss / jet black. Gulp. Let’s see how they turn out … hopefully not too silly.
Gone a bit wild with the choice of colour … gloss / jet black. Gulp. Let’s see how they turn out … hopefully not too silly.
was thinking of going to Santa Pod tomorrow for the Flame and Thunder show but the weather forecast is not looking good
I did think if i went lets see how far i can go in eco pro before turning it off lol
same about the weather as not been for a few years and the wife loves the Jet Cars
I did think if i went lets see how far i can go in eco pro before turning it off lol
same about the weather as not been for a few years and the wife loves the Jet Cars
ATM said:
Gearbox oil change by Noel Butler @ NCB AutoKraft and the more frequent oil changes. Not often something like this comes up on the market.MTC don't make an MTC Evo 2 intercooler. It's just called an MTC intercooler. Wagner on the other hand make a Wagner Evo 2 so just worth checking that. I think he just means its got an MTC Intercooler. Also check if he's had the X-Drive transfer box oil changed.
For 17k is there another car that'll do
- 60mpg
- 170+ mph
- Won't leave you stranded when it snows
- Virtually no loss in performance in rain
- Decent boot space
- Discreet and floats under the radar
- Family safety
peetee7 said:
For 17k is there another car that'll do
- 60mpg
- 170+ mph
- Won't leave you stranded when it snows
- Virtually no loss in performance in rain
- Decent boot space
- Discreet and floats under the radar
- Family safety
60 is impressive. Most of my other toys struggle to get close to 30 and probably achieve low 20.- 60mpg
- 170+ mph
- Won't leave you stranded when it snows
- Virtually no loss in performance in rain
- Decent boot space
- Discreet and floats under the radar
- Family safety
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