97 Ferrari 456 GTA bought in auction
Discussion
ferrisbueller said:
Part of the challenge is that exhaust noise doesn't necessarily equate to aural pleasure in the cabin. You can end up delighting bystanders for no discernible benefit to yourself!
Or creating a din that drones so badly inside it drives you mad! Speaking from experience.Oilchange said:
ferrisbueller said:
Part of the challenge is that exhaust noise doesn't necessarily equate to aural pleasure in the cabin. You can end up delighting bystanders for no discernible benefit to yourself!
Or creating a din that drones so badly inside it drives you mad! Speaking from experience.
tty Powerflow on an M113 engine. The system that FG is considering seems well engineered from the manifolds down and fit for purpose. What's your experience?
If you want that high pitch screaming v12 noise then you need 6 to 1 headers. Just shoving a back box on makes the sowing machine / hoover noise louder.
https://www.fiammenghiitalia.com/en/
This :-)
https://www.fiammenghiitalia.com/en/
This :-)
bolidemichael said:
Oilchange said:
ferrisbueller said:
Part of the challenge is that exhaust noise doesn't necessarily equate to aural pleasure in the cabin. You can end up delighting bystanders for no discernible benefit to yourself!
Or creating a din that drones so badly inside it drives you mad! Speaking from experience.tty Powerflow on an M113 engine. The system that FG is considering seems well engineered from the manifolds down and fit for purpose. What's your experience?
What does it sound like now? I mean, it's a V12 Ferrari so I imagine it won't be dull?
I have a v6 Alfa so I know what a draw putting louder pipes on is.
Current sound - https://www.instagram.com/p/CMU_4wSgkdb/?utm_mediu...
You appear to have a car that is the epitome of cool, kinda makes me feel it's the ultimate 'Q' car almost.
It's not mid engined and bright red, so not a bring it out on a sunny day, make a massive statement and then put it away again until next time kind of thing. It's a usable every day Ferrari, which is not something that many people can say they have.
I'd love to have one and just be able to cruise in traffic at my leisure without any theatrics. Looks like it is the perfect machine to do it in, no?
Understated and fabulous at the same time.
As for this other stuff about 19s and drive shafts, I think you'd have to be certifiable. See the badly modified cars thread.
It's not mid engined and bright red, so not a bring it out on a sunny day, make a massive statement and then put it away again until next time kind of thing. It's a usable every day Ferrari, which is not something that many people can say they have.
I'd love to have one and just be able to cruise in traffic at my leisure without any theatrics. Looks like it is the perfect machine to do it in, no?
Understated and fabulous at the same time.
As for this other stuff about 19s and drive shafts, I think you'd have to be certifiable. See the badly modified cars thread.
fastgerman said:
If you want that high pitch screaming v12 noise then you need 6 to 1 headers. Just shoving a back box on makes the sowing machine / hoover noise louder.
https://www.fiammenghiitalia.com/en/
This :-)
" Rear muffler equal noise, manifolds equal sound quality. " - Technical Garage Sasakihttps://www.fiammenghiitalia.com/en/
This :-)
http://www.speedhunters.com/2020/04/art-noise-tech...
Oilchange said:
You appear to have a car that is the epitome of cool, kinda makes me feel it's the ultimate 'Q' car almost.
It's not mid engined and bright red, so not a bring it out on a sunny day, make a massive statement and then put it away again until next time kind of thing. It's a usable every day Ferrari, which is not something that many people can say they have.
I'd love to have one and just be able to cruise in traffic at my leisure without any theatrics. Looks like it is the perfect machine to do it in, no?
Understated and fabulous at the same time.
As for this other stuff about 19s and drive shafts, I think you'd have to be certifiable. See the badly modified cars thread.
Great post - I guess the Restomod scene is pretty huge right now and it can be done tastefully. Think Singer / Integrale / Alfaholics etc.It's not mid engined and bright red, so not a bring it out on a sunny day, make a massive statement and then put it away again until next time kind of thing. It's a usable every day Ferrari, which is not something that many people can say they have.
I'd love to have one and just be able to cruise in traffic at my leisure without any theatrics. Looks like it is the perfect machine to do it in, no?
Understated and fabulous at the same time.
As for this other stuff about 19s and drive shafts, I think you'd have to be certifiable. See the badly modified cars thread.
On the sound, I would just do the 6 to 1 manifolds and sports cats with standard remaining pipes and backbox. It wouldn’t be loud but it would go high pitch over 5k rpm.
No to 19’s I think you are right :-)
Edited by fastgerman on Friday 4th June 21:57
Oilchange said:
You appear to have a car that is the epitome of cool, kinda makes me feel it's the ultimate 'Q' car almost.
It's not mid engined and bright red, so not a bring it out on a sunny day, make a massive statement and then put it away again until next time kind of thing. It's a usable every day Ferrari, which is not something that many people can say they have.
I'd love to have one and just be able to cruise in traffic at my leisure without any theatrics. Looks like it is the perfect machine to do it in, no?
Understated and fabulous at the same time.
As for this other stuff about 19s and drive shafts, I think you'd have to be certifiable. See the badly modified cars thread.
Reading this post makes.me.slooooowly.give.up.on.liiiiiiiife. It's not mid engined and bright red, so not a bring it out on a sunny day, make a massive statement and then put it away again until next time kind of thing. It's a usable every day Ferrari, which is not something that many people can say they have.
I'd love to have one and just be able to cruise in traffic at my leisure without any theatrics. Looks like it is the perfect machine to do it in, no?
Understated and fabulous at the same time.
As for this other stuff about 19s and drive shafts, I think you'd have to be certifiable. See the badly modified cars thread.
You've caught me at a bad time so if I come across as an arse just say so but I'd say:
The low rpm quietness and the open the taps above 5k rpm thing is the way to go if you want a bit of that, or at least an off/on button.
However, all that F1 screaming, popping tyre smoke when you're going to Tescos, the petrol station, post office and a trip to the dentist is for the muppets in London whose Lamborghinis get yelled at and catch fire. Tasteless.
Best way of spending £20k on this car would be to drive it: to the Cote d'Azur, or the Algarve, or Sweden in winter on winter tyres and enjoy the majesty of it.
Or all three.
And stay at a few nice places too
You will become attached to it like a friend. Of course, take a friend to share it with
I am currently looking to downsize the 17s on my Alfa, they look ok (if a bit big) but the ride is way better on 15s or possibly 16s and that's why I bought the car. Auto gearbox too.
The low rpm quietness and the open the taps above 5k rpm thing is the way to go if you want a bit of that, or at least an off/on button.
However, all that F1 screaming, popping tyre smoke when you're going to Tescos, the petrol station, post office and a trip to the dentist is for the muppets in London whose Lamborghinis get yelled at and catch fire. Tasteless.
Best way of spending £20k on this car would be to drive it: to the Cote d'Azur, or the Algarve, or Sweden in winter on winter tyres and enjoy the majesty of it.
Or all three.
And stay at a few nice places too
You will become attached to it like a friend. Of course, take a friend to share it with
I am currently looking to downsize the 17s on my Alfa, they look ok (if a bit big) but the ride is way better on 15s or possibly 16s and that's why I bought the car. Auto gearbox too.
Exciting possibilities to consider! Some humble thoughts on the idea of modifying the 456... I think it's important to have a clear concept of what you want the car to become, and clear-headedly assess to what extent that's realistic. The further you're trying to take the car away from what it was born as, the exponentially more you'll need to change, and the more of its current qualities you'll lose. If you just want an impractical show car with a lot of bling parts, then that's fairly easy, but a well-honed cohesive performance car is a bigger challenge. I also have a feeling that £20k is a sum that seems like a lot of money until you start trying to modify a Ferrari with it.
Aftermarket suspension is a tricky one, IME most of what's available tends to be low quality and/or not focused on achieving a good compromise for normal UK road use, and you can spend a lot of time & money on parts, fitting, alignment, adjusting and driving before deciding it's fundamentally not right.
I hear good things about Dyno Torque, however the C6 auto sounds like a lot of money to still have a torque converter transmission, whereas I'd have thought if you want to make it more sporting, the money would be better put to a manual conversion? Also IMO a tuneful exhaust and a torque converter auto don't go together that well, the extra sound emphasises the revs flaring and slurring (albeit a more modern box will be tighter in this regard). Conversely with a great exhaust and a three-pedal setup, you can heel and toe the downshifts and really make that V12 sing
On the sound, I'd not overlook induction - it's the other half of the soundtrack and often cheaper and easier to change, and relatively easier to make loud when you're on it, and quiet when you're not.
Try and sit in the seats before you buy them.
Have you identified a garage to do the engine work? It sounds quite involved.
Overall it sounds like a long and expensive project, you'd make the car different, but no guarantee you'd end up with it being better even by your own definition. It could be awesome, but I think it's more likely to end up being somewhat unsatisfactory in a few ways, and getting sold for a lot less than it would fetch today.
My personal idea of modifying is to make relatively small changes to make the car "itself, but more so", i.e. emphasise its natural strengths. Some of what you're saying (like the 6-speed auto) sounds like making it a super-GT, which feels easier, but other things hint more at turning it into some kind of 456 equivalent of the Prodrive 550 racer, a more far-reaching & demanding transformation.
I think ultimately unless you're allergic to the styling, the 612 is probably the more likely option to end in happiness, being presumably improved in lots of ways by the factory over its predecessor.
As a final note, another PHer bought a red 456 that had been imported from Japan. Complete with manual box, aftermarket 'racing' suspension, aftermarket wheels, a loud sports exhaust - and the *entire* interior retrimmed in red suede. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=18... .
So it's an interesting example of a 'sport tuned' 456 - I wonder who has it now and whether they might be persuaded to part-ex with yours? Would possibly make a better starting point for what you're thinking of - even if you had to re-do all the mods, you'd still be ahead starting with that car I'd think.
Aftermarket suspension is a tricky one, IME most of what's available tends to be low quality and/or not focused on achieving a good compromise for normal UK road use, and you can spend a lot of time & money on parts, fitting, alignment, adjusting and driving before deciding it's fundamentally not right.
I hear good things about Dyno Torque, however the C6 auto sounds like a lot of money to still have a torque converter transmission, whereas I'd have thought if you want to make it more sporting, the money would be better put to a manual conversion? Also IMO a tuneful exhaust and a torque converter auto don't go together that well, the extra sound emphasises the revs flaring and slurring (albeit a more modern box will be tighter in this regard). Conversely with a great exhaust and a three-pedal setup, you can heel and toe the downshifts and really make that V12 sing
On the sound, I'd not overlook induction - it's the other half of the soundtrack and often cheaper and easier to change, and relatively easier to make loud when you're on it, and quiet when you're not.
Try and sit in the seats before you buy them.
Have you identified a garage to do the engine work? It sounds quite involved.
Overall it sounds like a long and expensive project, you'd make the car different, but no guarantee you'd end up with it being better even by your own definition. It could be awesome, but I think it's more likely to end up being somewhat unsatisfactory in a few ways, and getting sold for a lot less than it would fetch today.
My personal idea of modifying is to make relatively small changes to make the car "itself, but more so", i.e. emphasise its natural strengths. Some of what you're saying (like the 6-speed auto) sounds like making it a super-GT, which feels easier, but other things hint more at turning it into some kind of 456 equivalent of the Prodrive 550 racer, a more far-reaching & demanding transformation.
I think ultimately unless you're allergic to the styling, the 612 is probably the more likely option to end in happiness, being presumably improved in lots of ways by the factory over its predecessor.
As a final note, another PHer bought a red 456 that had been imported from Japan. Complete with manual box, aftermarket 'racing' suspension, aftermarket wheels, a loud sports exhaust - and the *entire* interior retrimmed in red suede. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=18... .
So it's an interesting example of a 'sport tuned' 456 - I wonder who has it now and whether they might be persuaded to part-ex with yours? Would possibly make a better starting point for what you're thinking of - even if you had to re-do all the mods, you'd still be ahead starting with that car I'd think.
fastgerman said:
Current sound - https://www.instagram.com/p/CMU_4wSgkdb/?utm_mediu...
Depending on your solution, the switchable exhaust flaps have got much cheaper over the last few years. I’d feel too much of a wolly in a red Ferrari :-)
This is cool I think - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1993-ferrari-m...
And, exhaust heaven:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnmmMT9FtYkSUm-CeV4Esn...
This is cool I think - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1993-ferrari-m...
And, exhaust heaven:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnmmMT9FtYkSUm-CeV4Esn...
Edited by fastgerman on Saturday 5th June 10:28
fastgerman said:
I’d feel too much of a wolly in a red Ferrari :-)
This is cool I think - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1993-ferrari-m...
A bargainThis is cool I think - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1993-ferrari-m...
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